Interesting idea about EXP and leveling! Read the whole postFollow

ok, so I was thinking the other day, what is the most annoying thing ever when lvling, low or high jobs?

finding the proper PT at any given time and around the same lvl right? I mean how often do you find yourself going into battle with an extra mage instead of the DD you were hoping for. or how many of you have never experienced a RNG or BLM only PT because there are never enough lvl XX around when u need em?

well, what if we could all XP together, at any lvl, using the Promyvion areas, top lvls to fight IT mobs and all be lvl 30?

now, please dont flame this post, if you dont like the idea, fine im OK with that. if you have some constructive criticism pls let me know =) I understand theres pros and cons to this plan:

heres what I have found out from the little bit of research I have done:

PROS
A. everyone would be lvl 30, ALWAYS, so theres never any lvl gap sucking EXP away from anyone.

B. nobody would have to change gear, get new spells, become too high/low for the PT.

C. you could truly have a "Static Party" without having to worry that one PT member is lvling in other groups, or whatever, and getting higher lvl.

D. You could PT with those friends you never see anymore, cause you are on totally different levels. I for one cant lvl as fast as a lot (most) of my friends because i have more committments, and I would like to lvl with them occasionally.

E. If you lvl on the third floor near the entrance to the boss room, you can zone into the area where there is no lvl restriction to cast other spells, or heal up faster, etc. also, can use to teleport-holla the PT and pick up a new member, and walk back up real quick.

F. lot more people be able to do the quests and get the promys done while lvling too =)

G. lvl 30 is a point where a lot of jobs get an important skill, gear (seers, Noct, Centurion), trait, etc.
ie:
RNG - Barrage
THF - Trick Attack
Mages with WHM/BLM subbed will get their Divine/elemental seals
DRK - Souleater
SAM - Meditate
PLD - Sentinel
etc

CONS
A. mobs in promyvion seem to be slightly harder than mobs at lvl 30 in other areas (this could be negated by the fact that you can choose yor PT a lot easier and would have a lot more options to create the perfect PT more often)

B. Skills, you wont be able to use any of the higher lvl skills, armor, gear, fun etc. this is a problem, as I enjoy using Sidewinder as much as the next person on my RNG, but on my THF its very hard to find a PT sometimes, and this could be a good alternative.

C. No refresh, No warp II, no teleports, etc etc (unless you zone to the buffer area between the boss room and lvling area where there is no restrictions, so not a big deal)


So, I understand this isnt for everyone, lots of people say "this is stupid, why would I want to pt at lvl 30 when im a 70 PLD and so uber" bleh bleh" well, sure I understand, Like I said, I enjoy my RNG60 with all its uberness as well, but man, some lvls are a pain in the ***, and who wouldnt want to skip some areas. Plus, id rather PT at lvl 30 with my friends and have a different experience while picking up loads of animas etc than be at lvl 60 getting my *** handed to me by a raptor cause the RDM is an idiot, or whatever.

Also, from what I can find regarding information on Alliance exp, it is very similar to a regular PT, the more people, the less EXP /per person, but IMAGINE 18 Rangers soloing 18 different mobs at once, getting chains previously unimagined.
heres the info here:
http://ffvault.ign.com/?dir=guides&content=grouprange

anyway, pls give me your thoughts, and add me to buddylist if you would be game for even testing this, anyone lvl 30+ can PT together, and make a pt that really kicks ***! if anyone has any suggestions, pls let me know.

remember, the biggest bonus to this type of a PT, is the ability to pick any 6 jobs from any lvl 30 and above, friends included!

eeew 50 shadows >< that would be brutal.

yah i have been to the third floor, im pretty sure the wanderers were VT-IT so they would be fine, and they dont have any crazy abilities. hmm, interesting though, maybe an investigation is required =)

yah no conquest, true enough

getting to Promy areas is a lot easier than getting to a lot of areas 50+ tho, takes a lot less time than getting to Valley of Sorrows North camp XD

Great idea, however it couldn't actually work. Even though everyones level is restricted to 30 - Have you noticed when you do enter promyvion - you get to the top floor & you kill an IT for 90 exp?

That's because the EXP you gain is still worked out by the level you are. If you have a level 73 in your party, even though capped at 30, your exp would be cut to around the 70-100 mark.

To get the full benefit from exping in Promyvion areas - you'd need to go with a level 28-29 party; just like every other possible exp area :(

I'm not sure how it's capped in-between levels, but when farming clusters the other night in B01, I went on my ninja (which is only 50, no higher) while everyone else on their main (75) capped at 50, and they got exactly half the EXP I got, which means the EXP nerf caps at half.

Some of the mobs though are very stupid and easy, in level-capped CoP areas. Not necesarrily Promyvions, which are notorious due to everything having true sight, and the environment looking morbid - as menial as it may seem, after EXPing in the same spot for hours, how the area looks can actually make a difference... at least, it seemed so after EXPing in Bibiki for 5 hours a day for a week <_>

EXPing somewhere like A01 with a 38~40 party is definitely something feasible to consider. The further you progress in CoP, the areas definitely become nicer for many reasons, but then you are stuck with a lack of people with access. Something like, a set to level secondary jobs with friends who all have CoP (and said area unlocked, of course) is indeed nice though; net nearly 3.5k exp in an hour while duoing with a WHM in B01, and made a bit of cash all the while.

Don't listen to these naysayers....
I had the same idea myself, a while ago. I tried it out, and it really worked, even though the level gap was huge (30-60) we got EXP as though everyone was level 30. Now, you need a fairly powerful party to be able to handle the monsters, and some people consider the environment dreary even though it's dark and exciting. The enemies DO NOT link and the story about dozens of shadows is folktales. Getting behind in skill is a matter of finding skillup parties after the Promy-levelling.
My recommendation is to stick to the floors with Even Matches and Toughs, that way you can chain easily with little to no threat.
Who are you in-game? We should talk.

my in-game name is Atomicbabe and thanks for the post artea =)

good post as well Lady Seryn. interesting points, too bad theres no good way to do this. ENM is good though im about to go try the solo 60 one soon myself hehe.

ok, thanks for the tips, ill keep it all in mind.

Actually, a lot of these areas would be very good for leveling when your level is below the cap (and you would still get full XP), but nobody wants to go there.

There are some mobs that are really, really easy. The Wanderer mobs on the first floor, for example, are EP to level 30 and quick to kill. Most of the other mobs on the first floor or two are only Tough to 30 at most. That sounds like a pretty good leveling area for people in their 20's to me. Not to mention that Shade armor (Empty Killer) is level 25. That looks like a pretty good reason to consider Promyvion as a spot to level from 25-30 to me. Now that the MR's are easier to kill, it's even easier for a lower level party to reach at least the second or third floor if they wanted to.

You see similar things in Riverne Site #A01. The mobs in the the first area are fairly weak, and there are plenty of them. The mobs get progressively tougher the closer you get to the boss area. In Riverne, the path to the BCNM area is also blocked by portals that require special items to open, yet you can still explore a very large portion of the area without those items.

To me, it's like SE expected the lower levels of these areas for people to XP in who are close to, but still under the level cap. The closer you are to the cap, the farther you go into the area. When you reach the cap (and get all the new gear which just happens to be at the cap level too), it becomes possible to kill the boss, then move on to the next level cap area. This is how leveling in the old single player Final Fantasies used to work too. You'd get a quest, go venture into the dungeon, and see how far you could go. You'd gain several levels, run out of resources, and have to warp out. Restock, head back in, level up a bit on the way. Eventually, you'd be strong enough to reach and kill the boss and move on to the next quest.

Thanks for the correction, Lady Seryn...I was going to try this out myself, but seems like it would be a waste of time after 30.