It exists o_o;;Follow

PSO was the game I quit to come to FFXI and I thought this one would be problem free since everything was server side. Boy-o-boy was I wrong!

It's so sad that most of the jp have a deep hatred of na players, but most of us don't make it any easier for them to like us. -_-
By the way, you don't have a link to that list for us to view?

Edit: Oops I see why.

Edited, Fri Nov 19 13:24:49 2004 by Minona

I'd hate to say it but in general NA players do ruin games faster than the general JP player. Note that I said general and not that everyone of us does. I'm an NA player obviously but when a game is launched in North America, how long does it take before games are hacked to hell (ps2, pc, other consoles). I mean when some of the recent ps2 games were launched it takes a matter of a day or two before cheats are launched. Pc normally someone has a hex edit transformed to a trainer. I've looked on jp game sites and it generally (wow that word popped up again) takes longer for them to resort to cheating. We tend to want things easy as it can be rather than bite the bullet and do it how it was meant to do.

I didn't hear of one hack/program out while the jp version was running and I was drooling at the game for the almost 2 years before the NA release. Matter of a few weeks into the game and people were making speed hacks and what not for the NA timespan.

That's the reason that japan players probably assume we're all stupid, lazy, and not worth playing with. And I think it also boils down that there's a dominant portion on the server that have this view but the majority of jp players don't hold the view. I've played with quite a few jp players and I think they become more willing to play with na players at higher levels because we typically can show that we know our job by lvl 50 (although there is always an exception to the rule).

Anyway I don't know the exact view of every jp based player about NA players or EU players no the server. I think S-E had a good idea along with good intentions to try and merge two+ cultures on a server but like a few jp and na players have suggested, it could've been better to add a possible english only, jp only, spanish only set of servers for those that are too close minded to be willing to try and communicate with others.

The only problem I have with the mix of cultures is that I have really hard times trying to communicate my thoughts to some of the jp or other langauge speaking people that don't speak much or any english. I really like talking and learning from people and sadly this game at times makes it really difficult to have a friendly conversation or inquire questions to people that have gear that you are curious about. If I knew much japanese I'd be really happy, just wish the auto translator was more "complete". The word translations don't mean the same thing on the same side at times (help me out!, reward, etc) and some words are just absent that would make it easier to communicate.

And as of late, the jp that are unhappy about the price if items, MANY of us NA are uber pissed about the prices too. I mean 800+k for a freaking sniper's ring? I want to be in great gear but to have to farm for 3+ months with the free time I have, i'll pass. I'm a college student still trying to pay my loans that I have to get, I'm not made out of money (also why I don't buy gil beyond the obvious reasons). I've rambled on quite a bit and i have to get ready for class. Share, discuss, yell at me...I want to hear other people's idea/responses to the information.

"i'm going to become rich when i invent something that allows you to stab people in the face over the interent"


thats all i'm going to say.

Who honestly cares if certain players have some screwed up reasons for not wanting to party with certain people? It doesn't matter. You don't want to play with those people anyway.

I mean seriously, almost every Linkshell probably has a formal or informal "Do Not Party With" list, where people go to complain about other people they had a bad time with. What makes this list so different? They all end up being lists of names and situations described from one point of view, or taken out of context. The better players, the better people, the people you want to party with, are not the type of people who put much faith in the accuracy of any of these public blacklists in the first place.

The only real affect any such lists have on me is the people who are too ignorant to trust their own judgement and must rely on others' judgement to tell them how to play the game will not party with me. Big deal. I don't want to party with lemmings anyway. I'll go join a party with people who know how to think for themselves, regardless of their language or nationality, and I'll have fun doing so. The mindless lemmings and their masters can write my name down on any lists they want. I don't care.

Kittycat's reply to whiny jp people: "go cry on 2ch".

The jp gomi who try to mpk based on the list i.e. tomy are half-assed and end up not succeeding. AA has become a better hnm ls because we learn to fight monsters without marathon so that scumbags can't steal the claim. Thank you 2ch.

The haijin who play during work/school time in Japan no longer risk losing their accounts to mpk, since some AA have accounts registered with JP cd keys and thus have positive responses from GMs.

where is this list you speak of? i'd like to have a look at it myself too

I bet I am on it solely because of my name [Famicom]

btw, Lenwei, thank you for being the NA player to dig up the dirt on why jp hate us

haha, i know i'm on it.

know why? because of this:

http://www.havenlight.neocerb.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=36

Happened when i was like... level 40 or so. I'm in an exp party in CN and get a tell from that idiot demanding i send him gil or he'll call a GM. i blacklist him and all of a sudden there are importers harassing me, following me around.

whatever, i bought 2 morion earrings, which was quite an accomplishment back then.

not my fault someone doesn't know how to use the AH. it's quite obvious he tried to underbid by a large amount of an emperor hairpin.

Edited, Sun Nov 21 22:12:59 2004 by Kerberoz

The attitude does get highly fustrating though. The other night, we were trying to level, lost one member of the party and everyone at our level not in a party had a nice little no na party tag in their search comments.

I think the worst was when I got a random party invite when I was farming one time. I'm usually the straggler in the set, so if I'm not busy, I will consider taking one. In this case, I was bored and I think almost 2 levels behind. It was around the 40's I believe. So I get this tell asking if I want to party and the person is using the autotranslate function. I respond back yes and warp to Jueno to accept the invite when I get another tell from the person saying, oh nm you are na we don't want you. And it's not really the only time stuff like that has happened. Quite frankly, the attitude can make the game less fun. I was anxious to play with people from all over when it was announced we'd be sharing servers. But it seems like one of those ideas that was good in concept now.

My friend who has the list says it is password protected.. HOWEVER, he is going to send me the link [with password].. Of which point I will POST the list HERE. I'm not going to give out the password ._. They'd find out and change the password We'd all be SOL.

Edited, Mon Nov 22 14:19:41 2004 by Lenwei

Keep in mind that we, as a group (id assume most of us are NA players) cant give into stereotypes, even though its tempting. To presume that all JP's go by this list would be as hypocritical as stating that all NA's are greedy & backstabbing (which id assume is the premise behind this list.) Most likey this list is only held in any sort of positive regard by a small minority of JP players.

That doesnt make it any less wrong tho... there are a bunch of elitist JP's out there. Then again, there's also a bunch of elitist NA's. I just tend to ignore both.

what's the status on seeing a copy of this list? XD I wanna know who from my ls is on it, I'm willing to bet a large majority^^