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i want to congratulate the OP for being such a generous individual; deeming it socially acceptable to party with the likes of DRG and common BLM.

i think the following statements really reflect what a wonderful, selfless guy the OP is at heart.







based on the impeccable credentials the OP has provided, i must say i believe every boldfaced word. certainly it would mean nothing to a BRD, but it does mean quite a bit to a THF with a max of 3-4 hours of playtime each day, and a schedule of events each week taking from what little that is. it means so much, in fact, that they might even level NIN, et.al. to join really efficient merit parties. but i'm certain that the OP is fully aware of this desire for efficiency, having experienced first hand the epic saturday 8 hour wait, to get 5k xp and a stack of wasted food.

in fact, our OP understands this so well, that he will deign to soil his crevatte with the bottom dwellers at BB. /applaud! good show!

and then this:



i just find this a bit funny. PLD, just in the raw game mechanics, has a very nice STR score, and a really extreme amount of core weapon skill in Sword. they also have access to a wide range of attack and accuracy gear, a multi-hit weapon to offhand, a selection of high base damage main hand weapons, and a solid multi hit WS with damage modifiers that are high score statistics for their job class. this boils down to 'PLD can eat meat' and if done right, run with the big dogs a little bit.

the fact of the matter regarding PLD is that any PLD that is getting laughed at in the sense you mean, is the kind that only has all that cheap VIT/DEF gear and feels like they are somehow cheated because they don't soak up every swing in lost HP and time resting their MP after.

this is somewhat akin to a RDM showing up with only +Elemental and +INT, disregarding another, wholly appropriate use of their job class, whichever that may be at the moment.

the fact of it is, that PLDs who get lol'd for merits are generally guys who didn't level NIN or WAR because of the expensive gear, that it turns out PLD makes amazing use of as well. oops. and the PLD's who don't get lol'd are the ones who probably have NIN and WAR as well, anyway, since they love to tank and kick ***, and those 3 classes excel at that in a wonderful plurality of situations and setups.

forgive the digression, but perhaps this bit of debate is instructive, as well, as to the OP's astonishing sensitivity to the plight of those so much less fortunate.

don't presume to think you know more or enough about me to make your asessment
when you in fact know nothing... that is a lot right?

Of course I would know nothing about as you so aptly said


Try the "Anytime I log on wait"
Because leveling BLM (61) and SMN (64) never EVER EEEEVER have to deal
with anything like that right? Of course you know seeing as how I was
commenting on my LV75 jobs those must obviously be the ONLY jobs I
will play or ever intended on leveling.

How about instead if the epic wait you talk about you remember that
YOU are not so disfortunate as you make youself out to be.

Because we all know that SMN and BLM are must haves especially when the
lolTProxx parties start around level 50ish...

Don't attempt to talk to me about having to wait for a party because
all you are doing is calling the kettle black.

I think in reading this thread for some reason you were angered
because you were unable to understand the reason for it. This is not
something that only affects level 75 jobs... don't be so quick to
make your judgement when you have no idea what the case precludes
next time look at it from the other end of the spectrum because believe
me I understand the "efficiency" arguement and the "I only have set
amount of time to play" but don't those also elude another issue
that also has most people aggravated?

But like you said I don't have to join those types of parties if I
don't want to and neither do you, but I think we all know what you
will end up doing anyway right?

Edited, Jul 19th 2007 11:51am by ZanderBismarck

rofl tanks. in a burn party. rofl.

It's incredible that you can deduce Zander's motivations behind his party-style preference from a few posts on an internet forum. If I had but a fraction of this ability, maybe I could go around making seemingly baseless, rude and insulting claims about complete strangers too.



Sure the search comment is (by my measure) more rude than it has to be to get the point across, but so far the content of your responses have been much the same and worse. Besides this, I don't see anything about "griefing" parties who contacted him. In fact, wouldn't these responses suggest the opposite is true:




Returning from our brief visit in The Land of Make-Believe, I think it's nice to find other people who'd rather be having fun by playing in "classic" parties than enduring other groups just for the sake of higher rates of exp per hour. As a melee job, things were much more fun before TP-burn parties became popular. Simply seeing my exp increase by bigger sums every hour doesn't go a long way to offset the sensation of monotony I experience in the TP-burn.

Everybody's entitled to play in whichever way they enjoy. Most of us are willing to make concessions for practical benefits (eg. not everybody wants to wait for a party but will do to get a decent rate of exp per hour over soloing), but nobody should ever be trying to tell you how to play a game just to suit their own needs.

If you do think you should be telling other people how to play, maybe a reality check is in order?

Edited, Jul 19th 2007 4:57pm by Andurus

Je me comporterai. Je ne pourrais pas l'aider, il étais drôle. Je n'alimenterai pas les trolls encore, ils tends à mordre la main qui les alimente *lol*


PS... what's a "sock account?"

Edited, Jul 20th 2007 4:00am by JadenNyte

Jaden, un compte de chaussette est quand quelqu'un qui a une opinion crée un autre compte seulement afin de frapper n'importe qui qui est en désaccord avec eux. Ils peuvent également employer le compte pour convenir avec "eux-mêmes." Semble-t-elle la droite superflue ?

Je suis retarded.

--Arondight, Bismarck

well really you are just as stuck up or picky as the "elitist" tp burn party people. they have "certain requirements" for their pt's.... and you have yours. so in turn you also exclude either particular jobs or exp types...

but yes, people can be rude commenting on certain /seacom. but really, you usually dont them and they are just words

OP is not about telling other people how to PT, he is defending a group of players who have been put aside and he is also alarmed of the poor skill a lot of players display now. And he sees TP burn as fueling job sergation and poor game play.

If you are not alarmed how bad players are now, then either you live your LS's turtle shell, or you never go to PT. It gets to the point that I refuse to be invited by some random stranger. I would rather have 0 exp and go do something else, then to see only WS button mashing or to deal with poor skilled players. I have better ways to spend my time in the game.

Edited, Jul 26th 2007 12:53pm by scchan

Edited, Jul 26th 2007 12:53pm by scchan

Everyone have a right to say no to any form of a PT. I don't really see OP being arrogant for advocating his choice of PT: it is his right to do that.

It is any more correct to say someone is stupid or arrogant for turning down an invite? That person is probably just angry that he cannot get a PT going, and find someone to blame on.

You completely missed the OP's original point to this thread. And all I can say about your comment about all forms of party being boring is that you must find this game to be boring ... as the majority of it involves partying to either xp or merit. Think about it ... parties can be fun, I've had plenty of fun ones, but battle strategies, skillchains, and magic bursts have always been a part of the fun ones. There's so little of that now ... and that's a shame.