It's the 6th annual "Proudmoore Pride Parade!"

World of Warcraft's largest gay guilds celebrate gay pride with the 6th Annual Proudmoore Pride Parade

It's not every day you get to see real life events translating over to video games, but that's just what World of Warcraft's two largest LGBTQ guilds (Taint [H] and The Stonewall Family [A]) will be doing on June 19th, 2010. This will be the sixth year for the gay pride parade, dubbed "The Proudmoore Pride Parade," and these two guilds plan on meeting up at 12 PM from Camp Turajo for Horde players, and at 11:45 AM from the gates of Theramore for the Alliance. From there, both groups will make their way through the Barrens to Ratchet, where they will then take the boat to Booty Bay to continue celebrating.

In addition to this, the guilds have announced that the "theme" for this year's parade will be "Last Dance," to honor the fact that this will be the last time that the parade will make its way through the Barrens before Cataclysm hits Azeroth sometime this year. As well, players will be designing their own "float" concepts, where they can create themes and costumes to march together in groups in the parade. Remember, all players are welcome to join in on the parade, but try to keep your PvPing urges to a minimum, as disorderly conduct will be highly frowned upon.


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# Jun 20 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Play nice people. Yes I realize there are controversial elements here, but please discuss them calmly and rationally without personal attacks, or not at all. Also, some people shoould likely not respond to said personal attacks with their own attacks then report the initial one...
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# Jun 18 2010 at 4:18 PM Rating: Default
Really, isn't the whole argument about the ability to exist equally?! So you proved the point right there that you want to do more then exist equally. Now lets go on to my point which you obviously missed.

In ARABIC COUNTRIES what I posted is a normal every day life thing. I disagree with it but in areas actions like that are deemed normal. The point was that some peoples NORMAL isn't AMERICA's Normal.

If the ability to marry someone of the same sex happens then why not polygamy? Is it possible for 2 women to be in love with the same man and co-exist in a house hold YES!

Im saying that if you only look at what you want and put the blinders on and not care to see how invalid your argument is then fine. Be ignorant and move on.

Edited, Jun 18th 2010 6:19pm by darkpoetinc
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# Jun 17 2010 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
Remember, all players are welcome to join in on the parade, but try to keep your PvPing urges to a minimum, as disorderly conduct will be highly frowned upon.

well that is gay.

Or would it be called Gay Bashing if the pvp each other?

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For the haters
# Jun 16 2010 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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A nice vid discussing the REAL reason why people have a beef with homosexuals.
# Jun 16 2010 at 2:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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This comment chain is full of so much fail.

All of you, by your own definitions, are discriminating each other. Seriously, if black and gay people are allowed to hold 'pride' parades, so are white and straight people.

In all cases, as long as the parade doesn't turn into an 'anti' parade (as in: anti-white, anti-straight, anti-black, anti-homosexual), there's nothing wrong with having a parade.

If the sight of proud and happy people is annoying you, you may either close your eyes or leave. That goes for all religions, sexual orientations and pigmentations.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Relax folks
# Jun 15 2010 at 8:08 PM Rating: Good
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I gotta be honest. I'm opposed to the idea of homosexuality being natural and encouraged. I think it's wrong and in the long term could cause serious problems in society if it continues to be promoted as 'normal' etc.
That's just my opinion however. Many will disagree with it and they have every right to. I will fight for and stick up for other people's right to disagree with me. I'm happy to have a debate on the topic but that doesn't have to extend to intolerance and flame wars. Despite my views on homosexuality I won't deny people's right to choice and if people want to celebrate their sexuality in the game then that's not going to hurt me for one day in a year. I have no wish to watch any of the pride parades in real life but I don't have to (for the record a gay friend of mine hates those pride parades since he feels the drag queens etc only serve to reinforce stereotypes). If I hadn't quit playing wow a few months back I'd probably roll a lowbie toon on one of those servers just go go watch since it sounds like a bit of fun. Then again, I'm the type of player who likes to get a group of people on my server during downtime to go to another server, roll a bunch of level 1 gnomes and travel to org (getting killed a lot by lowbie mobs on the way) for a naked gnome attack.
My point is that they're not forcing their views on me just by doing a parade or whatever. I'm not going to try and force my views on them either.
It's a love hate relationship
# Jun 15 2010 at 4:18 PM Rating: Decent
Man there is a lot of flaming going on here. Flaming! get it. I know corny most of my humor is.

Why are there Gay or Black Pride Parades and why is February Black history month. Because when your a minority you feel everyday in White day or Straight day or a whatever day. In California soon White will be the minority to Latinos. Hmm.. I wonder if Mexico has an Aztec Awareness month. Perhaps there needs to be an American Indian Awareness month. Something other than Thanksgiving where we celebrate the sharing of food between races. Before we took their land. Europeans are not at all good at sharing. Well back to the gay thing. It can't be easy being gay there are a lot of people who just don't like you, but still ask for tips on decorating. I think there should be an adopt a gay person event. Every married couple needs a male gay friends. Then when you go to wedding he can pick out your cloths and dance with your wife while your at the bar talking sports. And you still get to go home with her. Perhaps your wife has a lesbian friend and ...well that a whole other thing there. At least gays don't knock on my door every other day and offer me copies the gay equivalent of The Watchtower.

I say let them have their parade and I think I'll join them. I'll be the Orc called Hetroman, I'll probably forget but if I do remember I'll be there having fun. If it truly offends you well skip BB for one day, you we probably going to Icecrown any way. There is enough pain and misery in this world, there is no need to act hateful to people whom god created.

Please feel free to flame away at anything I said, call me nasty and hateful names. I really don't care because I know there is some good in you anyway.
Position of power?
# Jun 15 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
Ok, I have to say this: since when am I in a position of power over anyone? I am a HETEROSEXUAL, WHITE, SINGLE MALE that lives a normal life working a normal job. I use the term douche, just as you use the term are no better than I, we just chose different ways of expressing our ideas.

Free speech? You have got to be kidding me! There is absolutely nothing free about the speech in a game like WOW! If there was then I would be allowed to say whatever I want about any race, religion, sexual orientation etc. However, I can not do that without the risk of being banned. So why can you espouse your ideals that might be offensive to me (never said they were, just playing devil's advocate here for the uneducated, ignorant and plain stupid). This type of behavior should not be allowed. Play the game and stop raising your political flags in an environment where because the general consensus is a bunch of sensitive idiots who cry for everyone you are given carte blanche while the guy who just wants to respond is considered a "douche" or "immature" just because he doesn't agree with you.

To all the people who will flame me for this, I know there are typing errors here. The spelling and grammar might not seem the best. It was done from the heart because I am sick and tired of the way this country is headed. Get over it, man up (yes, I said MAN up!!!), take responsibility for your actions, realize that your opinions, ideas, beliefs, etc, may not be the norm and just live life. Sorry if not everyone is accepting, but THAT IS LIFE! Don't like it move to a place where they might imprison or kill you for your beliefs, ideas, race, religion, sexual orientation, etc! Just stay the hell out of my face and I will try to not impose my normal marriage, 2.5 kid, 2 dog, 2 car, white picket fence life on you!
Position of power?
# Jun 15 2010 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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You have some really good points. Its funny how I recruit for my guild (which is Christian) and get flamed terribly despite the fact all we're doing is mentioning we're a Christian guild. My guild sticks to itself and has a long record of being a positive influence on our server: to Christians and those who aren't.

Yet routinely simply mentioning we exist in our guild recruitment is judged as "Bible Bashing" and "forcing our religion on people". Players get a carte blanche to spew whatever garbage they want about my guild, my faith, and my God. I dare debate what they say or argue back and I'm suddenly the one bashing.

I hate to break it to you, but offering a dissenting opinion is not "bashing". If you're allowed to spew your filth all over WoW and the Internet I have just as every right to respond with my own beliefs... Even if my own beliefs say yours are wrong... just like you're allowed to tell me that my beliefs are wrong.

THAT is tolerance. Tolerance isn't accepting every belief or every lifestyle. Its respecting others rights to practice those beliefs.

I dare say the outrage that would be broadcasted all across WoW if my guild put together a "Heterosexual Pride" march or a "Christian" day march.

Have your day. Yes, it offends me. But I'm secure enough in my own beliefs to let you have your parade. As long as I can have mine.
Position of power?
# Jun 15 2010 at 8:06 PM Rating: Good
Perhaps the fact that you refer to other people's opinions as "filth" while referring to yours as "beliefs" is the real reason why people get upset.
Position of power?
# Jun 16 2010 at 12:28 AM Rating: Default
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Perhaps the fact that you refer to other people's opinions as "filth" while referring to yours as "beliefs" is the real reason why people get upset.

But you see, that's the problem right there. If we're truly in a free society where everyone is allowed to believe as they wish, I should be able to hold to the belief that any other belief is garbage.

I really don't care how you spin it. A guy having sex with another guy is downright disgusting and perverse. Parading it around for all the world to see as a source of pride is even more perverse.

I do not come from a world where "anything goes as long as its adults". I do not buy the "if its in the privacy of their own home it doesn't effect me". It does effect me. It reflects on the moral integrity and character of my country and in this specific situation my game.

You may believe in a world of relative truth that changes from person to person. I believe in a world that has absolute truths (not in all things, but many things). I believe in a world where there is Divine Judge. And that Divine Judge has told us all what is right and what is wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. A guy having a sex with another guy is wrong. A woman having sex with another woman is wrong.

Now, I believe that as individuals we ultimately have the right to choose whether we choose right or wrong. You also have the right to choose for yourself what is right or what is wrong.

But please don't pass me the line of garbage that by having these parades, demanding rights and privileges of married couples, demanding the country and the world to acknowledge this perversion as "Good" is simply a matter of two consenting adults in private minding their own business.

When you march on Capital Hill, when you yell from every street corner, and you demand on television certain rights and privileges that have been reserved for the natural relations between a man and a woman who are married, it becomes an issue that effects all Americans and in this case all WoW players.

If you're going to yell your beliefs and make statements about what you feel is right, you better be ready for those who disagree to yell right back.
#REDACTED, Posted: Jun 16 2010 at 11:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Personally, the marriage thing is wrong. But there needs to be a civil union with the FULL rights of a marriage.
Position of power?
# Jun 16 2010 at 6:22 PM Rating: Good
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ekaterinodar wrote:
A guy having sex with another guy is downright disgusting and perverse. Parading it around for all the world to see as a source of pride is even more perverse.

and that is simply the stupidest thing anyone could possibly say.
you are basing this on the "I have the right to think whatever I want despite there being absolutely no demonstrable proof of the value of my opinion" defense?

you realize that "disgusting" and "perverse" have absolutely no meaning in this discussion other than as inflammatory statements. they are terms that carry much emotional baggage, and little to no actual merit in discussing anything.

but feel free to sound like an arrogant, opinionated, hate-mongerer.

that IS your right.
Position of power?
# Jun 20 2010 at 2:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Spin it however you desire, the meaning remains the same...

"Morally wrong or corrupt"

It may be emotionally charged, but it is by no means hate mongering or arrogant. It is an opinion contrary to your own. No more, no less.

As I've said many times, and been sub-defaulted many times for, I have no qualms against a homosexual personally. I have often stepped up and defended them. I also have no problem if they want to live their life however they live them. That is none of my business.

However, when you publicly parade it around, attempt to change laws, definitions, and rights in a country that is based on the concepts of free speech it does then become my business. In as so far as a public discussion of homosexuality is concerned my opinion as a member of the public DOES count and hold value. Just as yours does.

But what you're doing is attempting to pull off a number of fallacy arguments. I have at no time expressed an hatred in anything I've said. I have expressed my OPINION. Contrary to popular belief, my OPINION does not have to agree with or accept yours. To be tolerant, I do not have to accept your beliefs. I do not have to support your beliefs. I do not have to be quiet about my beliefs. All I have to do is respect your right to have contrary beliefs and allow you to have contrary beliefs.

Instead you attack my intent and my character solely on the basis that you disagree. Welcome to the beginning of the end of TRUE tolerance, true free speech, and true democracy.

It is a scary day when the majority of people label opposing viewpoints as "hatred". It is a scary day when one group of people is allowed to shout out on the streets their beliefs, and yet another be silenced and told to shut up for theirs because theirs are contrary to others.

Oh...just pick one!!!
# Jun 15 2010 at 10:21 AM Rating: Default
I can sit and watch the lesbian/gay channel on tv all day long. Does not offend in any way. What I do have problems with is this constant reminder that I am in some way less than another individual. That I need to address my thinking and attitudes to allow for still yet another "group" of whatevers!
If these two or any other guild wants to get together and have a good time...why...why do TAGS have to be involved in it at all. As for a march...oh please...this just drips of a political statement. Get together have fun, break out your picnic chairs and BBQ, cook up some fish, have some duels...have fun. You want to go to BB, fine get on the damn boat and go there! But dont start with "then we are going to march to BB" (gag..barf) Hells bells I would probably donate the fish or the meat...I mean come want acceptance then act like it. Dont start drawing lines in the sand when there is absolutely no need.
# Jun 15 2010 at 7:47 AM Rating: Decent
Can't we leave this crap 'out' of the virtual world?
Leaving politics out of it
# Jun 14 2010 at 11:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Here's a great way to leave the politics out of it - don't spend your evening here debating everyone's politics. And when you see a group of people in game - don't question why they are there. My guild gathers together for a 'parade' every year - we and friends make the march to Grom's Monument to "Honor a Hero" - and then jump to our alli 'branch office' guild and march to Uther's tomb. We get together for our guild anniversary, too - which is not, technically, an 'in-game' event. And when we are gathered up somewhere, we do not stand shouting "it's our guild anniversary" - we just have a good time. Some people join us as they pass by, some don't. Some ask why, some don't - and we all have a goood time. If you don't like this particular reason for gathering - don't gather with them. Don't join them when you pass by them. They are enjoying the game their way - don't hesitate to go and enjoy it your way. As long as you aren't disrupting one another, there's no issue, is there?

BTW, to those invoking the U. S. Constitution - the First Amendment prohibits laws "abridging the freedom of speech...or of the right of the people peacably to assemble." Seems like the 'no PvP" admonition makes that a peacable assembly... ;)

Relax - play the game, treat it like trade chat - if you are for it, join in, and if you are not /ignore and go about your gaming. And if they do something you think is truly out of line, right-click and report and let Blizz handle it.

Me, I don't care for RL politics in game - this one or any other. I also don't care for 99% of trade chat and a ton of other stuff. I won't be attending - but if I pass by, I will certainly be unable to resist the urge to throw a few party grenades.... Anyone got a spare Mohawk Grenade or three?
# Jun 14 2010 at 9:56 PM Rating: Default
...shame it's not a pvp server; i'd transfer my two rogues (one alliance, other's horde) to Proudmoore.
It's Their Right
# Jun 14 2010 at 7:05 PM Rating: Good
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It seems there always has to be a few highly opinionated (hateful?) people who just can't wait to ***** about things like this. I've got news for you . . .this event does not affect you or me in the least little bit. I could parade around with my friends announcing "We like waffles!" all day long, and it still wouldn't affect you in the least little bit. Get over it. Oh, and a piece of advice . . . if you want your opinions and arguments to be taken seriously in the grown-up world, don't call actions you don't agree with a "douche move". Only the immature and small-minded use terms like that.
It's Their Right - and ours
# Jun 14 2010 at 7:31 PM Rating: Decent
The point was do we NEED THIS IN AN ONLINE GAME....
Freedom of speech works both ways, remember ?

I've not said one defiling thing about gays and lesbians.
All I said was we should ALL keep our activism out of WoW.
Or would you feel the same if the religious types started too ?

I'm a forty six year old professional, I'll bloody type douche all I want when the word defines the behaviour, I also say cool a lot as well.
It's Their Right - and ours
# Jun 15 2010 at 11:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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The problem is there is still alot of "hate" in the game towards the gay/lesbian players.

Try this - go online in the game and make the comment "you're all a bunch of dumb <explitive towards black people>"

Then say "You're a bunch of stupid <explitive towards gay people>"

Both are offensive yet you are far more likely to get banned for saying the first one than the second.

The point of these activities is not a recruitment activity, rather it's to say "there's more of us than you realize so cut the crap"
It's Their Right - and ours
# Jun 14 2010 at 8:35 PM Rating: Excellent
Clearly some people felt they did need it, or at least want it. You might prefer people not drag real-world concerns into the game, and I can understand that. I cringe whenever I hear political debates in trade chat, and not just because they usually seem to be conducted with all the subtlety and understanding of a rusty chainsaw.

But for a lot of people, WoW isn't just a place to slay monsters and level up. It's also a place to socialize, which (unless you're on an RP server) means bringing a bit of your real-life self to the exchange. Sometimes that includes political agendas, race, or sexual identity. This being a traditional time for real-life pride parades, it's not surprising some people thought it would be fun to do in-game as well.

Thankfully, this event doesn't look intended to be divisive in the slightest. <The Stonewall Family>'s site doesn't say much about the event that I could find, but the <Taint>'s description seems to say nothing about throwing their sexuality in people's faces and everything about organizing a fun and peaceful in-game event. They even discourage engaging in PvP with any hecklers.

It's not activism. It's just a party.
It's Their Right - and ours
# Jun 16 2010 at 5:25 AM Rating: Default
Funny I want a billion dollars and to sit on my couch all day with hot 18 year old asian chicks giving me head all day yet you don't see me with the group of other men who all want the same thing demanding it from the world!!!

We can't always get what we want people. Thats why we have to work for it ourselves and stop expecting everyone to accept your wants and desires. Make your wants and desires your own and by your own actions!
Freedom of Speech > You
# Jun 14 2010 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Lets see here...

WoW is a US based game...

They're both on US-Proudmoore...

They're both subject to US law...

Freedom of Speech anyone?

Freedom of Speech > You
# Jun 20 2010 at 3:02 AM Rating: Good
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Actually, since World of Warcraft's servers require a subscription and terms of service agreement, Freedom of Speech does not apply.

Just like here in Allakhzam the admins can silence anyone for whatever reason.

Freedom of speech only applies to the State and Federal Governments (local governments are subject to it as well, although technically they inherit it from the State government).

So the idea that anyone can exercise their Freedom of Speech in WoW is actually incorrect. Its a privately owned business. Just like you couldn't walk into my house or my store and be immune to me kicking you out of it.

Don't believe me? Go to a McDonalds and start swearing or preaching or expressing your political viewpoint. Loudly so everyone in the store can hear you. You'll find yourself slapped with a ticket in no time if the managers ask you to stop and you don't.
herre we go
# Jun 14 2010 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
Also, you're an idiot if you don't see how every "normal" tv show is geared towards straight people. The vast majority of family oriented sitcoms feature a couple that is heterosexual, with two or three kids. The only sitcom I've seen with a homosexual couple and any children is Modern Family, and they're only one of three couples on that show; the other two are straight.

Clearly you think that a minor amount of exposure on TV and in the movies equals to "OMG teh gays are taking over!" You couldn't be more wrong. Gay people just want to watch shows with people they can relate to, just as much as straight people do. If you don't like the shows, don't watch them.
herre we go
# Jun 15 2010 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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You are correct. I hate it when people make the comment "why do gays have to be all in our face about it" when the majority of society is in the gays face for being straight.

Every person who has a picture of their spouse and children on their desk is "in your face" with how straight they are.
herre we go
# Jun 17 2010 at 3:29 AM Rating: Decent
LOL so your saying a gay couple who puts a pic of their adopted kid or their artificially induced kid is flaunting? Once again nothing is stopping any one of you from HOLDING HANDS, KISSING, PUTTING PICS OF YOUR LOVED ONE / LIFE PARTNER on your desk. I'm sick of hearing this. Hell right now I'm in North Pole Alaska and all the guys who work and Wendy's are homosexual. No I'm not making it up the 4 guys are straight out homosexual and 2 of them are dating and kissing in public. No one cared. Pretty much many people's attitude is "Great your gay here is a Fing cookie now move on." Everyone is getting upset of the MINORITY's response of " OMG that is so gross and wrong." Like it or not that is the Minority speaking out against your lifestyle, not a majority. So if your going to keep going off about how your oppressed. Tell Elton John he was oppressed. Tell Liberachi he was oppressed. Tell Ellen she is being Oppressed. Tell Pariz Hilton he has been oppressed hell he posted child **** and got away with it!

Speaking of him go back 2 years when Miss California was asked a question about gay marriage " Which the state voted down 2xs prior to the padgent" where she answered what the MAJORITY of California answered and stood up for her beliefs. YET he gave her a zero cause it wasn't what he believed and called her all names in the book because she called him out on it. Once again a HOMOSEXUAL oppresses a straight person and its deemed ok.

IF you all want equal treatment START ACTING LIKE EQUALS!!! Thats all there is to it. Take Ellen for example. She came out and said I'm gay. And that was that. There is no throwing the L word around. There is no LOUD SPEAKER CHANTING SHE IS GAY. She has done it and continued to live with class. You don't see her at these Gay and Lesbian parades speaking out cause she just lives her life just like EVERYONE ELSE DOES. We all know she is gay and we accept her for it just like everyone else who isn't like " BAM I'm GAYYYY. Don't HATE ME CAUSE I'm BEAUTIFUL!!!"

So this is why people don't like it thrown in their face. Its like the Rich Kid in school who's mommy and daddy gave him the Corvette. You just wanna punch him in the face even though he can't help his parents spoil him. So your saying if I had money and always flaunted it in your face like, " Hey ***** you see this boom 5 grand to this hooker and 5 grand to my Valle just cause I can and **** off if you hate my stretch Hummer taking up 5 parking spaces cause I'm rich ***** and you just have to accept it!" Its the same damn thing.

So show some FING respect, live your damn life, stop flaying your arms in the air and screaming that your gay, and just be like everyone else. Cool calm and collective and if someone ask say yes I am and leave it at that.
herre we go
# Jun 18 2010 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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So show some FING respect, live your damn life, stop flaying your arms in the air and screaming that your gay, and just be like everyone else. Cool calm and collective and if someone ask say yes I am and leave it at that.

There's more to life than just being allowed to exist. Look at the whole Marriage thing. Honestly a good majority of gays would be fine with something equivalent to marriage, but nothing has been offered at the federal level. You'd be surprised what a difference being able to file your taxes jointly or being able to share in health benefits.

Lets say a bunch of men got together to protest not being able to marry 9 year old girls........

There is a difference between consenting adults and manipulation of a child - if your too dense to see that I'm sorry.

herre we go
# Jun 19 2010 at 5:20 AM Rating: Default
hmm guess my other reply didn't save but here we go.

1. Funny how your talking about being able to live like a normal person and now your not content with just existing.

You throw in a person's face that they have a family and kids they like to keep pictures of on their desk.

Sorry they chose to have a wife/girlfriend and children. So sorry if it upsets you that a straight family just exist. Its all about equal treatment and how the homosexual community ask for it yet goes beyond that of what equals will be. Like it or not many people JUST EXIST. I don't go out my front door every day and yell " LOOK AT ME I'm STRAIGHT, LOOK AT MY HOT WHITE WIFE WHO LOVES HER SOME OF MY HUGE BLACK ****!"

Yet these parades are full of men and women who do just that.

So we aren't trying to oppress your homosexuality, we are trying to oppress you yelling every chance you get about it.

Like I said before Nothing is stopping you holding hands with your partner or having pictures of them other then you personally.

Now to my 2nd point which you grossly missed and took the wrong way so I'll dumb it down for you.

2. Many people argue that other countries have allowed civil unions.
Yet many of those same countries allow other practices frowned upon. IE The Saudi thing about 9 year old girls.

Is that accepted in parts of the world even outside Saudi Arabia. YES. Look at Africa and also in Japanese ***** houses.

So just because Mohammed Durka and Seto Slanteye say its all right for them and their country doesn't make it right for us. ( sorry wasn't trying to be racial but since they missed the point I had to give them the picture)

Hell there was that Farm in California for years had people ******** livestock. Just because it was accepted for 20 years there doesn't make it right.

And I'll post another argument about the marriage aspect...

I have no problem with one person loving another despite sex, religion, color, race, ect...

But I also believe it is possible for a man or a woman to be loved by 2 people and many people in society have seen it.

So if they do allow gay marriage then Polygamy is next. I'll be honest. My best friend who is a woman is still in love with me. I know it, my wife knows it, and to be honest my wife has said many times she would be ok if I left her for my best friend cause of the bond me and her have.

I never will leave my wife unless she left me. But if there was a way for both of them to CO-exist as "Miss DarkPoet" then so be it. I care a lot about my best friend and if I could marry her too I would, but I have to live by the laws of this nation and not even think about ******** her brains out.

We have to make choices in life as NORMAL PEOPLE that we are not happy about. IF it wrecks our pursuit of happiness so be it.

I was only making the point that no matter how large a group is that believes in one thing, they can't push it through until the whole nation is ready for it. I don't feel like 100% of America is ready for gay marriage or polygamy.

I also don't feel that anyone has the right to get in these groups and demonstrate their personal preferences no matter what it is and make up any excuse their is to blame the other party weather it be Sexual preference or race.

Look at the video of the Cop in Seattle. That 17 year old girl was bigger then him and pushed him twice and raised her hand a bit like she was gonna throw a jab. I'm glad she got punched. She shouldn't of laid her hands on a cop. And now people are trying to make it out to be racial. Look as a well educated black man I'm going to say right now that the race card is being played way too much. Also the fact that she was only 17 doesn't matter.

This all brings me to the point to where who ever yells the loudest usually is in the wrong. Also that crap just don't belong in a video game. If your straight good, if your gay good. I don't care either way unless I'm in a bar and your trying to pick me up. Then I'll care a lil bit only cause I don't wanna give you the wrong impression that I may swing that way. I know how I used to be with women. Even when they say no you always gotta try a lil harder.

Well hopefully I've made my point to ya now. You want equal then act like it. Don't keep demonstrating things and trying to compare your parades to the MILLION man march. The best thing to help homosexual people in America is do what us Blacks did do. We got into comedy, acting, and music. And the world loved us for it. IT wasn't the marching and speeches that got us to where we are. It was the people who just lived their lives and became more then existing on their own sweat and tears. THAT is what AMERICA used to be about. And that is what we need to get back to! Not this crying over every little thing we don't agree on.
herre we go
# Jun 17 2010 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
I just wanted to add for those who might defend Perez Hilton's actions,

Any depiction of a child under the age of 18 in a sexual manner falls under the child **** laws. That does include skimpy swim suits and night wear items. I'm pretty sure posting a doctored picture of a 17 year olds ***** falls under that category. But since he is gay I guess its ok... NOT!!!! I hope they make him register as one. I don't care if it is classified as a MISTAKE but hell they make girls who send pictures of themselves that revealing register why not a homosexual man? But since he is a homosexual he will play that card and walk away. Congrats society once again we can't enforce our laws because we are too afraid to offend!
Tolerance is a balancing game
# Jun 14 2010 at 4:11 PM Rating: Default
"And if you take the stand that you feel straight people need equal rights and are being treated unfairly, be more specific on your details to support your hypothesis. I don't see straight people being discriminated against in society. "

Rancid, did you even read my post ?

And yes they are "flaunting" or "Announcing" their preference...
That's the whole point of the parade doof.

Some of us would just rather not know or deal with their RL causes.
As far as many of us are concerned, you're a wow toon...
You're not white, black, straight, gay or even french (je suis).

We're all people doing something fun toghether....
Leave everything that biases people outside of the game, where it belongs. I'll leave out my Sexual, political and Religious orientations...Please do the same, and let's concentrate on the game, instead of playing activists in WoW.

# Jun 14 2010 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm agreeing with gx and malachai on this one-political stuff (and that's exactly what this is) should be left out of games.
# Jun 14 2010 at 3:47 PM Rating: Good
Last I heard if you had nothing nice to say, stfu. You don't agree, don't participate.

IMO there is nothing wrong with people coming together to celebrate and support each other, as long as it is not done in a hurtful way to others. They are in no way saying it's bad to be heterosexual. There is no reason to be offended by people celebrating their similarities and they are not "flaunting" their sexual preference.

And if you take the stand that you feel straight people need equal rights and are being treated unfairly, be more specific on your details to support your hypothesis. I don't see straight people being discriminated against in society.

I am also ashamed of the lack of tolerance of certain individuals in our community that would get so offended by such an event. I didn't feel an urge to write this post until I read your responses and if it falls on deaf ears, so be it. This is my 2 cents.
Hate is always ugly
# Jun 14 2010 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
St. Patrick's Day, Columbus Day, Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, Fourth of July... Mardi Gras... New Year's Day in Philly for Mummers, Rose Bowl in Pasadena, Thanksgiving Day NYC Macy's Parade

St. Patrick's Day -- Celebration of Irelands culture
Columbus Day -- Celebrates the arrival of Columbus in the America's
Veteran' and Memorial Day -- Remembrance of sacrafices of veterans
4th of July -- Celebration of independence

The list goes on..the point being...there are no venues that celebrate being straight. On the flip side..there are several celebrations for gay/lesbians.

I agree with gx5000, it's a douche move to do this in WoW. I don't care if you're gay/lesbian but I really don't want to see the 'toons marching thru WoW. I have to put up with that crap irl, can't i just remain blissfully ignorant when i'm playing please?
Oh please
# Jun 14 2010 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
Everytime I hear this trash I laugh..

"Let's see... "straight" parades: St. Patrick's Day, Columbus Day, Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, Fourth of July... Mardi Gras... New Year's Day in Philly for Mummers, Rose Bowl in Pasadena, Thanksgiving Day NYC Macy's Parade..."

Good god son, Have you ever even been to Mardis Gras ???

Theyre are gays in all levels of society and in every parade there is.
Hell, most of the Music and Film Industry that entertains us is.
But There are NO exclusive Straight Parades that celebrate being Straight. There ARE Parades that Celebrate Homosexuality, and that's ok too. Why not, I don't have a problem with that.

But your argument is not Valid.
And doing this in WoW is as Douche a move as doing a Funeral on WoW.
This is a Virtual World where we try and forget our differences, and the bad things that happens in the real world. Why bring it in here ?

It's ok to be Gay, straight, or just plain different.
Waving a big flag and making an *** of yourself because you need to be made to feel special about it, well that's just silly.

Edited, Jun 14th 2010 5:06pm by gx5000
Hate is always ugly
# Jun 14 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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Evidently you are more than a few cells short of full brain-power.

Let's see... "straight" parades: St. Patrick's Day, Columbus Day, Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, Fourth of July... Mardi Gras... New Year's Day in Philly for Mummers, Rose Bowl in Pasadena, Thanksgiving Day NYC Macy's Parade...

So, according to you, you *never* hold hands w/ your g/f in public. You never wear whatever you feel like wearing in public, you never "flaunt" your sexuality as a heterosexual in public?

Clearly you *do* "spread your message of hate" to the straight community: your hatred of GLBTQ folks.

It's as okay to be gay as it is okay to be straight. What *you* miss is that you flaunt your heterosexuality all the time: you talk about your girlffriend, and probably even have pictures of her on your cell phone. You take her places, put your arm around her in public, probably even kiss her in public. You never object to other heterosexuals doing the same things.

So your "message of hate" is not the GLBTQ community celebrating once a year, it's you attacking them (no doubt all year long).
Wolana Phoenixfyre, druid of Xegony; Proud to be a member of Alliance of Hope where our Cause is Justifiable!
Hate is always ugly
# Jun 17 2010 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Evidently you are more than a few cells short of full brain-power.

Let's see... "straight" parades: St. Patrick's Day, Columbus Day, Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, Fourth of July... Mardi Gras... New Year's Day in Philly for Mummers, Rose Bowl in Pasadena, Thanksgiving Day NYC Macy's Parade...

So you are saying that gay men and lesbian women do not participate in these parades or events? That is about as dumb as can be. These are not "Straight" parades, they each have a certain reason for being and straight or heterosexual is not the reason.

Now on to this parade, who cares if people (whatever sexual orientation, religion, color) parade through the barrens or anywhere else? Does not affect my gaming in the slightest. Live and let live is what I say.
Hate is always ugly
# Jun 15 2010 at 2:02 PM Rating: Default
Ok I see gay men in public all the time holding hands. Nothing is stopping any of you from acting normal except your selfs! Stop saying, " Oh but if you have pictures of your gf/wife on your desk that is flaunting!" Well I'll be honest with you 100%. I have gay friends who are 100% open about it in public. And how can you say all those parades are straight? Where is the straight men and women going out in ***-less chaps making a spectacle of themselves? Isn't it mostly bands and theater? Doesn't the homosexual community have people who play a instrument or dance in those parades? YES. I guarantee that there are at least 100 people that are in that parade that are either **** or bi sexual. Nothing is stopping you from attending! Nothing is stopping you from preforming. Hell there are openly gay people in the military right now, and are not getting any kind of punishment. I've seen it for the past 11 years. Hell I can name 5 people on the top of my head from my unit. I don't care that they are gay. They work just as hard as the rest of us and will go out for a beer at the end of the day. Well except one dude likes to get all flirty when he is drunk...... but still. The homosexual community is accepted so much that there is no need for things like this. We get it your gay good for you!!! You get it we are straight good for us!!!! Now lets really debate on who is holding you back!!! YOU ARE HOLDING YOU BACK NOT US!!!!
herre we go
# Jun 14 2010 at 2:07 PM Rating: Default
Monday at Lunch time = jobless slackers.
Flaunting their homosexuality = hypocritical douches
Replaying real life events in WOW = Even more so douches

Alright this is what people get pissed about. I have no problem with anyone's sexual preferences, BUT if I were to organize a STRAIGHT parade chanting " Hey its great to be straight!" or something to that matter I would be called a homophobe or a hate monger.

You know what I'm going to say it before I'm called one. People who flaunt their sexuality as homosexuals are spreading their message of hate to the straight community. As of today the SPFER( Straight People for Equal Representation ) demand equal treatment of homosexuals compared to straight people. We want our own TV show, our own radio channel, our own day to dress how we want and make out with our gf/bf in the middle of the street and spread our message that it is perfectly ok to be straight!
herre we go
# Jun 14 2010 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
You guys don't seem to get why a straight pride parade is problematic. It's the same reason why the concept of "white pride" is problematic compared to the concept of "black pride." While there's nothing inherently wrong with being prideful in your heterosexuality or your Caucasian race, to go around spouting that pride is oppressive because you're in a position of power over LGBT and other minorities. That's why there are straight pride parades and black pride organizations, to bring attention to the discrimination these people face on an ongoing basis.
#REDACTED, Posted: Jun 15 2010 at 3:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well when it comes to race every one of us originated from the African area. There is no denying that! That is why the whole race thing is a joke. Now lets go over cultural.
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