Horrifying Terrorist Attacks on the U.S.

This is not game news, but is more important. I am putting this up here because many people are trying to figure out what is going on and this way we can share what we know. Here's what I know so far: - At about 8:45 a plane crashed into one of the World Trade Center towers. 14 minutes later, andther plane crashed into the second tower. - Another plane crashed into the Pentagon soon after that. - A bomb went off at the State Department. - Both World Trade Center Towers have now completely collapsed, presumably killing everyone who was unable to evacuate in time, and also the firemen and police who were at the towers trying to help people evacuate. - Another plane has gone down somewhere in Western Pennsylvania. Possibly just a coincidence or possibly an attempt to hyjack it to another target. Words cannot express the horror.
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Peace of Mind, Strong of Will
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:57 PM Rating: Default
Violence begets violence, and hate begets hate.
We as Americans were hated by a group, so now we are filled with hate. They have brought violence to us, and now we prepare our own violence. There is a matter here I feel I need to address however, and that is how we direct our hatred. Many Americans do not know who Bin Laden is, they see only a man on the news, with a beard and turban. Consequently many people are beginning to direct hatred toward this image. I have a dear friend who is already having trouble because of his appearance, but he is not even Arab, he's from India. And many Arabs domestically and abroad may not agree with American policy, they may even hate America. But they are still human, and are also sickened by this act. It is important to direct hatred and violence where it is warrented: against the individuals who organized this terror, and the organizations and leaders of nations who supported them. I have confidence that our government leaders will not seek to place blanket blame, or see this as an excuse to seize territory.
As a people, lets show our friends of the free world that we are above such concepts as 'blind vengence', and instead seek swift and accurate justice.
To all Non-Patriots
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:54 PM Rating: Decent
All you fools who don't like the way America does what is does can go somewhere else. Try living in Iraq for a few years then see how sad you think we are. We have what we have because we work for it. And America IS the greatist counrty in the world, why else would anyone bother bombing us or Terrorizing us? Do you see em bombing Canada Or Maexico? ( not that they aren't good countries) No, you don't. Killing Terrorists is a good thing, eventually there will be no more of them between the bullets of Americans and thier own self destruction.



War is bad, but if there is war ( and there will always be war ) I Will WIN!

Wurtle -The Tribunal
RE: To all Non-Patriots
# Sep 13 2001 at 12:09 AM Rating: Decent
--All you fools who don't like the way America does what is does can go somewhere else. --

Hmm... I hate statements like that... What if that was said during slavery? What if that was said during the civil-rights movement? Change is usually good...

I know this had nothing to do with the subject, but I just hate that statement above...

--And America IS the greatist counrty in the world, why else would anyone bother bombing us or Terrorizing us?--

Well, America might be the greatest (a rather subjective comment, but...), yet its not perfect... It might be the best, but it could be better.

Plus, many, many other countries have a lot more terrorism than us... By your statement, they'd be the best country, too... France doesn't even have lockers in their train and bus stations, for fear of Algerian bombings... Israel constantly has terrorism... Same with Ireland... All that means is they have enemies who will stoop to low levels such as bombing civilians.. not that they are better than others...


--Killing Terrorists is a good thing, eventually there will be no more of them between the bullets of Americans and thier own self destruction. --

Call me a pessimist.. but there will always be terrorists... In fact, the more that die, in my opinion, the more there will be... There will be more "fallen heros" for the terrorists to follow... *shrug*

My english professor said it best today... America has entered a new age... "Terrorism is now a fact of life in America. Get used to it. Prepare for change."

Oh, and as a very side note, I applaude all those who gave blood yesterday... I waited for 3 hours to give blood... And I couldn't have been prouder of my fellow countrymen.. That, in my opinion, is what makes this country great. Even though we, in the past, had bickering and petty arguments over stupid crap... In dire times of crisis, we come together... we help our countrymen without thought... I've never before had to wait more than 10 minutes to give blood... And yesterday, it was a 3 hour wait... That is great.
woe unto them
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:52 PM Rating: Default
Saint Michael the Archangel , defend us in battle.
Be our safeguard against the wiles and wickedness of the devil.
Rebuke him, O God, we humbly pray, and do thou,
O Prince of Heavenly Host,
by the power of God,
cast into Hell Satan and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world seeking the ruin and
destruction of souls.

Amen.
Mord of Luclin, Born in the USA
God Bless America
For those that can't give blood...
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
I am one of the many Americans, Citizens of this great country, who is unable to give blood. I've tried in the past, and was finally told not to try anymore (my veins collapse easily, and I never am able to give enough). There are many more who have various health related issues that are unable to give blood as well. Please think about donating to your local red cross instead. A dollar, or five, or more can go a long way to buying the orange juice and cookies or chips that are given to all donors. It's such a small price to pay in the face of this tragedy. Our nation always needs blood donors, moreso in times of tragedy, but at all times. Try to make a date to give blood or donate a little bit of time, or money to this wonderful organization. And no, I do not work for, or have any assocation with, the Red Cross. I am just one of millions touched by this horrific horrors that happened on Tuesday. One of millions who sat and was just completely shell-shocked. And I am one of probably hundreds of thousands who is unable to donate blood, but want to help, so will donate a little bit of money.

c_courter@yahoo.com
Question
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:34 PM Rating: Default
I wonder if the terrorists have ever thought about what happenes when you walk up and kick a bee's Hive?

Sleight55@yahoo.com
A message to us all
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:23 PM Rating: Default
I do not want to seem on the side of terrorism, but I want to say something. I also do not approve of the people who did this, and I want them to rot in hell.

I live in New Jersey, near Newark. In Newark the Islaamic center of the country is located. It is a good group of people, who are NOT AT ALL involved in the terrorist bombings. People were abusing and destroy the property and the people on it. In school ( Yes I a Freshman in High School) people were ready to kill, even though they did nothing. We are also not at war with Afgan. just the terrorist group that operates from there.


If you are in the New York area, are 17 or older, and can legally do so, please donate blood, they really need it.

RE: A message to us all
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:30 PM Rating: Default
I totally agree bud, I will personally be donating blood when my time comes ( I live in a small town in Colorado so the blood van thingie has yet to arrive...but it will) And as for Allakhazam, what you wrote down in the first page of your website kicked *** man.
Update
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
As the FBI continues to do its job more and more evidence is collected...and from what they will tell us the evidence is pointing more and more in the direction of Bin Laden...couple that with the fact that hes missing and the afghani's are denying knowing where he is and I start to have a problem with this. If he is found in Afghanistan there will be hell to pay. For those of you who dont know there was supposedly some bombings in Afghanistan the night of the WTC attack. Could it be that people were trying to get the government to give up bin laden? Could it be that Bin Laden in all his terroristic glee killed those people as well? As of now I have no idea. all ive heard is speculation and 2nd hand reports.
And for those of you saying that the US should do nothing...I wonder if you would be saying that if it had been your family in that building. If someone you had been close to had died when the building collapsed...estimated casualties are now expected to be over 20,000...for comparison roughly 2,400 people died in Pearl Harbor. Terrorism should not be accepted by anyone. For those of you who believe that those responsible and those who aided them should not be held responsible and killed...what are you thinking? As for you who say that everyone thinks we should wipe Afghanistan as a country off the map, yesterday and perhaps earlier today I would have to agree with you. Mostly because I was blinded by sheer anger at the loss of life, but now honestly I think any sort of bombing would be to quick of a death for these men, who do not seem to value human life at all. Instead they should be made to suffer. Made to see what they did and how wrong it was. As for the Afghanistan people, if what I have been told is true and that they attempted to stage a coup(sp?), and overthrow their government...I believe we should back them. If the current government would condone this sort of act and harbor such men...then they are no better and deserve the fate destined for the terrorists responsible for the deaths of over 20,000 civilian lives.
A message to us all
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:15 PM Rating: Default
"the terrorists and those who harbor them must be punished"
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:13 PM Rating: Default
As most of you heard at one of the many press conferences the secretary of defense(i think, so many people too little time) was asked(also not perfect but the general sentiment)"Will our retaliation lead to the death of civilians where we attack" He answered a very swift "yes" and for this i agree. Many politicians have called this an act of war. In war civilians are killed, it cant be helped. We have to let the world know that one can not kill many thousands of americans and get away with it. Retaliation must be quick and severe, if bin ladin did it and the afghans supported him then, well, we do what we did to Iraq except a thousand times worst. During desert storm there was alot of opposition. Now I believe that nearly the entire country will back our leaders. Desert Storm was because of happenings thousands of miles away. Now the unthinkable has happened, an attack on United States soil has killed many americans. Instead of the other side of the world it has happened in our own backyard. Im sorry, I know many of you will disagree with me but I find this unforgivable.

Now one questions why we entered world war 2, it was because we were attacked, and Japan and Germany payed dearly. At pearl harbor something like 2500 people were killed. If estimates are correct 10,000 people have died in new york. I believe we will make whoever did this and those who supported them pay dearly also. If your argument is that we will kill civilians from that place that had nothing to do with it, well, we killed japenese by the thousands with the A bomb and they didnt have a desicion about attacking pearl harbor. When at war the entire, whether it be country, city, or extremist group, is the enemy. The goal is to be the enemy into submission, to me we are now at war, they made the first strike, they to say "open the can of worms." We made the japenese sorry and i hope we make afghanistan, or Iraq, or whoever did sorry as well. Flame away, I really don't care.
RE:
# Sep 12 2001 at 9:36 PM Rating: Default
yes if we hadent of a-bombed the 2 citys the death toll for both nations would have been MUCH higher. the USA would have been forced to invade wich would have had very many casuiltys. Japan would have had people attacking with butter knives and sticks before they surrenderd. They would of had far more deaths then the 2 atomic bombs caused.

on a side note i belive that this should be considerd a decleration on war by an UNKNOWN force atm. when found there contry, faction, group or anyone who harbors them should be TOTALY eradicated otherwise if we cut of the head 2 more come to replace it cut those off 4 come to replace those. they must uncondictalny surrender
RE:
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:30 PM Rating: Default
this is not a flame.
first of all the atomic bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki represented one of america's darkest moments, not one of its brightest. japan attacked an american military installation. what was america's response? two weapons of ultra-mass-destruction, used against -innocent civilians- women and children. that same phrase "innocent civilians" was used over and over, RIGHTFULLY SO, on cnn yesterday. it is fine to make reference to these incidents, but only in the same frame of mind as when referring to the holocaust. if you, sir, meant refer to the wiping out of two cities with that exact tone of "they got what was coming" then you are no better than the celebrating palestinians that have us -all- pissed like a ****. hiroshima and nagasaki rank up there with vietnam on the list of "top 10 things america shouldn't have done".

fact : if america stoops to the level of killing innocent men, women and children then we are no better than they are.

i'm sorry if that pissed anyone off, it just needed saying.

second of all, i would now like to say that i dont want the people that did this bombed themselves.

i want those m*****f***ers found, and i want them tortured and kept alive for as -LOOOOOONG- as possible. over the top? slightly insane? perhaps, but then again maybe they shouldn't have killed those 10,000 people.

thanks be to anyone who read this far, even the people who may flame the crap out of me.
RE:
# Sep 12 2001 at 9:04 PM Rating: Decent
It has been estimated that if the U.S. were to have invaded Japan on August of 1945, the death toll of U.S. military would have numbered almost 1,000,000 troops. The Japanese government would not accept surrender at that point and it was either send our troops to death or make the most difficult decision a political leader has ever had to make. We didn't start WW2 but we ended it. We didn't start terrorism but we will end it. It may take a few years and the loss of life will be great, but we will prevail.
As Hirohito said in the moments after Pearl Harbor,"Gentlemen, I fear that we have awoken the sleeping giant"
We,with the help of many great nations, will
eradicate this evil from the face of the earth
RE:
# Sep 12 2001 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
It has been estimated that if the U.S. were to have invaded Japan on August of 1945, the death toll of U.S. military would have numbered almost 1,000,000 troops. The Japanese government would not accept surrender at that point and it was either send our troops to death or make the most difficult decision a political leader has ever had to make. We didn't start WW2 but we ended it. We didn't start terrorism but we will end it. It may take a few years and the loss of life will be great, but we will prevail.
As Hirohito said in the moments after Pearl Harbor,"Gentlemen, I fear that we have awoken the sleeping giant"
We,with the help of many great nations, will
eradicate this evil from the face of the earth
RE:
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:47 PM Rating: Default
Do not make it sound as if the U.S. dropped the atomic bombs on Japan in direct retaliation for the Pearl Harbor attack. The U.S. response to that attack was to fully enter the war with it's European allies. The U.S. conducted a naval war across the Pacific, pushing the Japanese basically back onto the island of Japan. At the end of the war in Europe, after Germany had surrendered, the U.S. pushed for a Japanese surrender. The Japanese government would not do this and it was Truman's decision to use these weapons of mass destruction to swiftly bring the war to an end, rather then continue to bring about the loss of American life. Yes, it was a horrendous destruction of life, but how many American soldiers were saved due to that decision?
RE:
# Sep 12 2001 at 9:22 PM Rating: Default
... and you're saying the value of an American solider's life - because he/she is American - is more than that of a Japanese citizen? The error of that assumption (which shouldn't have to be said) is the point that was being made.
RE:
# Sep 12 2001 at 10:09 PM Rating: Default
There really was no right or wrong answer to weather or not the 2 nukes should have been dropped--Here are the 2 scenerios...

scenario 1, Drop the bomb- and many Japanese will be killed.

scenario 2, Go in with troops- and many Americans and Japanese will be killed.

Either way lots of people are gonna die hower ever the death toll in scenario 1 was less then calculated in scenario 2. -Take your Pick-


Horror
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:08 PM Rating: Default
What happened on September 11th was horrendous, thousands died needlessly, something must be done, but does mass murder constitute more mass murder? Obviously the US government could completely remove any nation on this planet from the maps if they wanted to, but is it the right thing to do? Its hard to make a decision on how to react to the attack, I dont want to see war, and further death and destruction, but it seems inevitable. All very confusing really, hopefully all turns out well in the end.......


( please pardon any and all spelling mistakes, :P )
Uh oh... The sleeping giant has awoken.
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:07 PM Rating: Default
Certainly, this has to be one of the worst tragedies in the history of the United States. Someone was actually stupid enough to challenge the soverign power of the United States of America and her allies. Clearly, several sleeping giants have awoken.

Japan made that mistake once. Everyone knows what happened to them, and no one pulled crap like this -- until now. (No offense whatsoever to the Japanese.)

The United States has always been against Terrorism. Yesterday, they made it personal. NO ONE does that to us and gets away with it, American "Rebel" or not.

Mark these words. YOU WILL BE FOUND AND SEVERELY PUNISHED.

Now comes the issue of nuclear weapons. Shall they be used? NO. In theory, one cannot use nuclear weapons at all, in this day and age, because the ramifications of this are staggering -- Even more so than the attack on us. This terrorist act is not worth the destruction of the world to prove a point. After all, who's going to be around to get this point, aside from those cowering in bunkers. And these people are probably going to be more preoccupied about their own lives.

Alas, if we bomb "innocent" people (Remember, not all Arabs are terrorists, contrary to popular belief) then does that make us any better than those that begun this? They used airplanes. We'll use missles.

Yes, they awoke a giant. And yes, this giant and its friends are very powerful indeed, but sometimes it is more important to take a step back, look at what happened, and then find a suitable course of action to take these bastards out.

The retired general of the forces in the Gulf war said it best: "During the Gulf War, we attacked, but we went out of our way to make sure that we were hitting MILITARY targets. These bastards today DELIBERATELY killed civilians."

In my mind, that is the WORST crime against humanity ever concievable.

Oh yes. We will get revenge. We just have to be careful about how we do it.
A very sad moment
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:58 PM Rating: Default
Here in Puerto Rico we share the same grief and sadness with our brothers in US. There's no one here that doesn't have a brother, sister, aunt,, uncle, any family living in NY and some of them even worked at the Worl Trade Center. My girlfriend, as an example, is staying with her sister for a few weeks while receiving treatment for her cancer. You can imagine my anguish when I couldn't get a hold on her by telephone, not until midnight. Those hours were like eternities to me. But thank God she was fine all the time.
I know many people didn't fared as well as me and for them are my prayings that they can find peace in their hearts.

Here we're doing what we can to help. The governor sent today 400 members of the National Guard along with the Special Rescue Team from our Civil Defense full with specialized rescue equipment and a team of 250 doctors and nurses to help in everyway they can. Beleive me we, the people of Puerto Rico, will be at your service for as long as we're needed. I will be donating blood tomorrow so I will be contributing in some humble way.

We have to remember this: religions don't kill people but fanatics do. I was passing today in front of a store owned by two arabians. They were celebrating as well. Did I stormed into their store and wiped their smiles out of their faces? No. You know why? Because I will be giving them an excuse to do the same thing to me.
What will I do? I will not buy a single item from their store even if it was the only one standing among the others. That is my way of punishing them.
Why do I tell this you may ask? Because I fear that the american goverment will retaliate drasticaly and killing a lot of people in the process. Make no mistake, The responsible one should be haunted like a dog and bringed to justice. But I wish that we don't start the spiral down to the point of no return.
May God bring peace to the whole world.
RE: A very sad moment
# Sep 12 2001 at 10:30 PM Rating: Default
Amen, but one thing: Why the monkey are they living in America if the HATE America!!!!!!!! Hypocrites.
Like to stir up wasps the size of tanks do ya?
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:55 PM Rating: Decent
Stupid move you made bro... you'll soon enough find out how dumb it was to disrupt the greatest power on the face of the planet... You messed with the wrong peeps, and someone's gonna get their *** beat BIG TIME!

I'm sorry... you don't just do some stupid f**king s**t like and begin to celebrate! You may be celebrating now... but that is because you got a cheap shot in... now get ready to feel the pain! Evander Holifield vs. "Glass Jaw" Joe... Jaws vs. The Little Mermaid... Godzilla vs. Barney the Dinosaur... The US vs. you! You and terrorists alike are going down so fast, you're going to have wind chill factor!

Quote me if you'd like... the only way to cure a problem where citizens commit acts of terrorism as acts of warfare, is to first destroy the government, and second annihilate the country...

IMO we should not be the world's "advisor" or "babysitter" but more or less "Warden"... ***** up... you belong to us now...

Someone once said "You're in our world now"... nowhere else should that be more true...
RE: Like to stir up wasps the size of tanks do ya?
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:23 PM Rating: Default
This is something I totally agree with. Watching all the death occur, I must say I can't wait to see what the retaliation is going to be. I leave with these words by General Shortscoft (sorry if I mispelled the name) "Those people are mean evil bastards. Our army conisists of some of the nicest people on earth. They can become just like those mean evil bastards. All is we have to do is tell them. (I am sorry if any part of this quote is wrong, I don't remember it off the top of my head but this is the message)

A pissed off citizen of the United States of America
It may only get worse
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:53 PM Rating: Default
Watching the News and seeing the horrific sights of terriorism, my heart sinks. There is a pattern here that only seems to be getting worse and no matter what we do it will get only get worse until we change...how we need to change i dont know but if we contunie without change the acts of terriorism will only get worse. Just look back in history in early terriorism, it wasnt that bad thes Oklahoma was bombed now this. Farther back in history in world war 2 about 6 million jews were killed then under Stalins rule god knows how many people were killed while he was around. "If we do not learn form history we are doomed to repeat it." i hope to god that we do what needs to be done to prevent a tradgity like this from ever happening again.
Attack on America
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:50 PM Rating: Default
I am not interested in bringing these people to justice. I am interested in grinding them into dust and sending their souls to hell.

Nor am I interested in this crap about how our Mideast policy is so unjust and how we should dump Israel and embrace our poor mistreated Palestinian brothers and sisters. These are the same brothers and sisters who jumped for joy when they learned what had happened in New York and Washington. They are the same ones who jumped for joy every time Soddom (misspelling intentional)sent up a missile against Israeli or American targets. To those who have chosen the craven way I say don't get a life, get a head.

Saettwin
29th Halfling Druid
Vazaelle
just my thoughts
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:36 PM Rating: Default
I have, like many of us out there, read nearly all of the posts shown. I agree, and disagree on some, others, just don't read because i know what they are going to say. So here is my thoughts, read them if you would like, it's your time.

War, although it probably will happen, is not always the right answer to a problem. Death to those who have done this, may be a quick fix, but it's not really going to help anything. So what do i want to see? I would like to see the terrisom stop, thoughout the world. But i know it will never happen, because i see myself as a realist.

terrisom is not a get even thing, it's there for the people who have been asking for help, for so long, and not seeing anything done about it, that they go nuts, and destroy others just so that they know how they feel. this is wrong, never has it been right, nor will it ever be right. but i look at what we would like to do, as in a sence, the same thing.

for years, we have been saying 'stop the terriosm' but yet we see it every day in the news. we read about it in the paper, and hear it on the radio. what we the United States want to do is go out, and KILL others. how can i say how wrong killing others just to prove a point is. we are seeing it first hand peope! it just happened to us! if we do it to others, what is going to stop them from doing it to us again, and again? it's a circle you see, we say no, they say yes, they bomb, we get mad, and bomb back. we calm down for a little bit, then they say something, and it starts again.

so what can we do to stop this? morals, that's all, learn the basic morals that each and ever person should have. i can give you my ideas, on morals, but they would not be liked by all of you, so why waste my time. you see, that is the problem, no one wants to listen anymore, to anyone, and that is why we as a world are in anger. we don't want to listen to one another, so we fight over it.

I don't care about realigon, it's just a guy/girl standing up on a stage saying crap to me. i know that some of you care about that, and that you like to hear that, and thats great. it's just not me. maybe that is what this is all about, we the US did not help one group enough in raising their reliagon, or maybe we helped the wrong group, i don't want to hear it, it's not my thing. but if this, war, fighting, terrisom, anthing that deals with hatred towards others, is what you call realigon...why would you want to be a part of it? are you not just causing hate though it? who know's, maybe i am just not looking at it the right way, your way, his way, her way,...who's way am i looking at now? you see, making everyone happy, is just not possable. it can't be done, so deal with it.

Just my thoughts again, but killing more people over this crap isn't going to help much, because once one group thinks they got the world under it's control, the world will bite it in the ***. then they will grow in size, and they too will take control.

So be kind to others, don't tell them what to do, or what to believe in, help them. give them love, caring, whatever you can spare, and maybe, even if you can't spare it, give it, because that will make you better. sometimes you have to give away your best things, to get the best back.

Just my thoughts. Hope this all turns out on a high note.
RE: just my thoughts
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:21 PM Rating: Default
I'm sorry, but you must be kidding. It is exactly your sentiments, your desire to "talk things out" that has got us here. How long do you talk? How long do you let people threaten you, terrorize you, and hurt you before you react. Its exactly this kind of attitude that America has been operating on for too long. This, in my opinion, is partly to blame for the attack. We have shown the world weakness too long and too often. We have told everyone, "Go ahead, ***** with us, do what you want and all we will do is talk a lot, maybe strike one or two targets, and then let it drop". Enough is enough. If this isnt reason enough for you to see that stopping this is worth our time I dont know what to tell you. Do you let cockroaches roam free in your home? Nor should we let people terrorize others just because our "morals" are higher than theirs. Our morals against there guns and hatred......they win every time.
I Don't Fear You, I Fear You Saying That
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:35 PM Rating: Default
I, like everyone, was shocked and saddened to be woken up on Tuesday morning with every television channel, radio station, and website with the awful news about the US terrorist attacks. Almost everyone says that, and almost everyone truly means it. It's awful.

But in this aftermath of tragedy, it would be pertintent to remember some things. Firstly, when it comes to armed conflict, I am on America's side. My country is part of NATO, and I believe that most of the time that roughly sits on the side of good. Yet to hear words like those of Allakhazam's webmaster that "America is the greatest country the world has ever seen" and "fear us" is just disturbing on so many levels. In part because it is heard so often by those of us who live outside the US.

America isn't totally innocent. No country is. Some of America's history is awful, as is my country's. Noone outside of the US is under the misapprehension that the US only acts for altruistic motives and has never stooped to torture/murder/espionage etc. *Some* of the anti-US sentiment in this world is justified, and America *had* better look at it and ask itself some hard questions. America is not synonymous with "good". They are not the same word and are not always on the same side of the line. American is not first in importance.

Your country, while being powerful now, is hardly the most powerful the world has ever seen. It's all context, and both the Roman and Sumerian empires covered much more territory in their time before the US was ever conceived. This parochialism that comes from the US (based on so much ignorance - there are many other countries in this world besides the US, and many other peoples), coupled with the idea that America is always good and always right and somehow "God's country" is as frightening to me as the "Holy war" rhetoric that comes from the Middle East. There's no difference just because it's said in English.

All violent acts are awful. This one in particular is unspeakable. The Palestinians who danced in the streets (and I am suspicious of that as there was only ever one image played over and over again, and who knows *why* those people were actually dancing) themselves would have wondered how the US could stand by in support of their enemies while their countrymen were murdered. If you have lived in a war zone all your life, watched your friends and families ripped apart by bullets and bombs, you are hardly going to take an objective view. Of course it's not sane. None of this is.

I and the rest of the sane world waits in anticipation for the culprits to be found and brought to justice. That has nothing to do with this act being perpetrated against the US. It has to do with justice, truth, and goodness. I also wait for those acts of violence and barbarism perpetrated *by* the West to be brought to light and justice. This is not the US as "the only good" against the east as "the main evil" - and we do not yet know for certain who did this. This is all honest, decent human beings standing against the horror the human condition unleashes when it is out of control.

In that, the US has the undivided support and heartfelt sympathy of the rest of the free world, and probably the genuine support of many of the people not in free countries. That isn't a mandate for unlimited violent action.
RE: I Don't Fear You, I Fear You Saying That
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:11 PM Rating: Default
Very well said. The conviction that there can be an absolute right and absolute wrong in human affairs is *exactly* what gets people crazy enough to fly planes into buildings and murder thousands. The fact that we have been horrifically attacked does not mean that we have a blanket justification to kill.
Till all are one
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:34 PM Rating: Decent
NEVER FORGET
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Think befor you Judge
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:22 PM Rating: Default
At my school, every one is talking about how the "damn afgans should be nuked off the face of the earth" while in reality it is one or more people residing in afganistan, and i am sick of death.
There was also a very good point that my speech team director brought up relating to this topic, it was, people will manipulating their hate towards a current topic, because it is so easy to say "stupid sand suckers, thinking they can blow up our buildings, well there gay (person then pauses to bask in the laughter he recives from his/her simple minded friends)" but in reality, non of them suck sand, and most of them actually like america. It is just the radicals that every socity has (but history proves that radicals from that area seem to be a little more violent, extreme and technoligical).
So my point is, judge be for you act, for yeh who judges may be judged him self.

Snoogans (soon to have last name as Brodinoogans)
Rodcet Nife
My heart felt sorrow
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
My prayers go out to all that lost a loved one! This is a time of great tragedy something that only time will heal... But for some of us it will come very difficult. These are tring times for all Americans as well and alot of others! Some place blame on this or that but in truth there is no blame to place upon anyone but the people responsable for such violance. Only the power of evil can create such wrong and cowardly acts. I just hope that we learn from this act of evil and band together as Americans. Maybe this will stop the hate we have among our own and teach us to respect each other.

Drizzitt Shadowwalker
#Anonymous, Posted: Sep 12 2001 at 7:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First off let me say that I am an American. I spent eight years in the U.S. military during the "Vietnam Conflict". I paid my price for my freedom and I am entitled to an opinion that should be heard.
RE: Inocents - We are all passively guilty
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:56 PM Rating: Default
That's ********* Wrongs do not make right. Ever.
"No just cause can be advanced by terror," as Kofi Annan said yesterday, or something like it.

I am curious how the two-year-old or the four-year old on one of the hijacked planes might be passively guilty? Answer: they were not. WE, also, are not responsible. American foreign policy didn't hijack that plane. American foreign policy didn't kill the crews or passengers. Murderous, insane zealots did. Are we responsible for the fact that they are murderous and insane? No. Are we guilty because they are murderous and insane? No.

While it is true that America is disproportionately wealthy and powerful, we are also largely benevolent. All you have to do to see that is look at where and how American money was spent after the Second World War.

Our economy saved the lives of many. Our country hosts the UN. We try hard. We don't always get it right. That doesn't mean we should be killed indiscriminately.

We are not guilty. We are trying hard and imperfectly in an imperfect world. The fact that we are wrong sometimes doesn't make us guilty. While we have many policies that may anger some, and while we do, arguably, rule the world, at most junctions history we try to empower even those who were our former enemies.

There is no excuse for this act. Not religion, not economics, not history, not mental instability, not brainwashing. Nothing excuses it. Those responsible have forfeited their right to be considered human. It doesn't matter what their reasons, if any, are.
RE: Inocents - We are all passively guilty
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:51 PM Rating: Default
First of all let me say thank you for your service supporting our country. My thanks goes out to any and all armed services personnel that have served to make America great.

Having said that I refuse to apologize for what we have. We are a great nation and so what if the average person has more than any other country in the world? Why is that our fault?? Was anyone in the WTC to blame for some poor 3rd world country person being victimized in any way?

If some of these countries put the money they spend on terrorism into education or technology to better their lives then maybe they wouldn't be in the situation they are in. It is not the fault of the United States that the majority of the money in these countries is only in the hands of a few. It's the fault of the few for not taking care of their own countrymen.

It seems that China is the only country out there that seems to know how to defeat the United States. It's not through terrorism, it's through commerce. Here is a country that hates the US, yet try to find something that isn't made there.... but I digress. The point is that terrorism is NOT thier only weapon.

-Proud American
Iag, and Good ol Shitface sadaam
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Sadaam was on tv when he said that "America is finally harvesting (can't remember exact words) the thorns they have sewn in theirselves, and he has no remorse about the amount of people dead. There is mounting evidence that Iraq more than just backed these terrorists. Am I alone in thinking that Iraq should learn that desert storm was a mere **********
RE: Iag, and Good ol Shitface sadaam
# Sep 12 2001 at 8:22 PM Rating: Default
Oh yeah, it was a ***** slap. Now comes the full *** rape, baby.
Nostrodamus
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:04 PM Rating: Default
I have read a post here about a prediction Nostrodamus made. Here is the quote that has been going around the internet and emails:

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb. The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654"

First, let me say this. If Nostrodamus died on 2 July 1566, how did he write this in 1654? Well, he couldn't have. This quote was made by a person explaining how "Prophecies" could come true. How do I know this? I point you to the following website:

http://www.ed.brocku.ca/~nmarshal/nostradamus.htm

If you take time to read the site, you will see the alleged "prophecy".
Proper Punishment
# Sep 12 2001 at 7:04 PM Rating: Default
Everyone is enraged, as am I. "Americans have faced great evil, and we will live to do so again, and survive," was said at the prayer vigil. I agree. But, instead of bombing indiscriminately those that have wronged us, I say let them rot a mile beneath the ground in Langley, Virginia. We should break them, and use them against their own people. That, my fellow Americans, is the worst possible punishment I can imagine, being used as the tool of my partners' demise.

Let our prayers and thoughts be with all of those, and let us all be safe from the "faceless cowards" of the world.
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