Actually, Enchanters are pretty much where we've always been...screwed. I play a Lvl 70 Enchanter with almost 600 AAs, with most of my time devoted to end-game raiding, and I gotta say...I'm about as useful as teats on a boar hog.

For pulling...? No can do. Our highest Pacify-line spell, Placate, does not work on most mobs encountered in high-end raids. Even the trash in high-end zones are completely beyond it's reach.

Crowd control? No way. Our heyday was in PoP, and we've all been made to pay (and pay, and pay, and pay...) for the handful of Enchanters that liked to pull that little trick in PoTactics. Most mobs in high-end zones (and quite a few in regular zones!) are marked immune to Wake of Felicity (our highest AE mezz), even if Euphoria (our highest single-target mezz) *can* work on them. And in some zones (Theater of Blood comes to mind, especially), even Euphoria is completely useless. You have *NO* idea how much it chaps my friggin' hide to see a Bard (who is supposed to be a "Jack-of-all-Trades, Master-of-None" type class) able to mezz creatures I'll never be able to touch.

AE stuns? Last time I was able to use them (w/o instant death following that lovely "Immune" message) was in GoD-era content. And we all know how people LOVE to raid/group in GoD zones. The PB AE mezz line is similarly extremely limited in usefulness.

Charm? Don't get me started. With the nerf to Charmed mob max damage output, Charm's risk/reward ratio is so out-of-balance as to render it suicidal behavior for even the most accomplished Enchanters. I have my CHA maxxed out, and Total Domination 3/3 as well...and Charm *still* breaks within 30 seconds of landing. If it weren't for Edict of Command, I'd never do it all; and even maxxed out, Edict only gives you a 6 minute respite from an impending butt-kicking.

And *our* Lvl 66 (highest) pet can be out-done by the Lvl 55 Cleric's Hammer pet in melee damage. Of course, our pet has fewer restrictions than the Cleric's does...but, still and yet. Sheesh.

I've found that about the only use(s) I have, as a Guilded raid Enchanter, is for pre-raid buffing, and post-wipe re-buffing. That's about it. Otherwise, I'm along for the ride. A total of 4 Enchanters, all with MGB, are the most *any* high-end raiding Guild will tolerate. Some squeak by with 2, if they have Quick Mass Group Buff AA maxxed out.

So, when you say this is good for those "ever rare Enchanters" (which I don't see us as rare at all; seems everyone and his brother has a twinky 70 ENC that's been raised on Monster Missions), I cannot agree. Our pulling abilities post Lvl 65 are negligible, and this nerf does not in *any* way increase them; it only decreases the ability of others to manage the numbers of incoming mobs.

As raids have been using Monks as pullers for ages, the only people I see this *really* hurting are groups, and soloers. I do kind of agree with your sentiments about the Necromancers; they seem to get only more and more powerful (reference the Necromancer 1.5/2.0 Epic versus the Enchanter 1.5/2.0, for example), while everyone else is repeatedly beaten into obsolescence.

I know this area was for discussion of the posted "patch", and I've tried to keep myself at least a little on-topic by giving some background regarding how it will affect my Class' ability (or lack thereof) to pull, while trying to keep my bitterness to a minimum. I *love* being an Enchanter, more than any other Class; I've been one since September 17, 1999, and can't envision myself ever switching to an alternate Class as a main...I'm just frustrated by SOE's apparent apathy regarding the marginalization of Enchanters in anything past PoP-era content.

It's kind of funny. In the first half of EverQuest's life, you never went *anywhere* significant w/o at least 1 Enchanter in tow, and Warriors sat on the side-lines and twiddled their thumbs. Guess turn-about's fair play.

(On the positive side, I'm hoping I'll no longer have to risk life and limb when grouping with Magicians. I've lived in fear of seeing a Mage say, "Hey, wanna see something cool...?" for the past 2 years. lol)

Well... Monks dont get spells, or pets, or the ability to tank as well as an equally geared SK, no aggro managment as far as keeping aggro. We Pull and DPS, I think we should be able to split mobs better then any class in the game, not some shaman or necro or mage or druid or sk using an exploit to send a pet in and use a skilless exploit to single pull a mob. G/J sony. As for nerf fd split, I highly doubt it unless a mob was meant to not come single, in which case thats great if thats the way the content was designed so be it. Why would anyone want to trivialize any content.

I'm not sure split and tag will be effected. Surely the mob gives out a new call for help when tagged, as they are agroed by a new enemy. If it's fellows are in range for that call then you get the group, as you have always done. If the others have wandered far enough away, you're doing fine.

Ah now why did this post here.