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#1 Mar 27 2011 at 1:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Totally not worth talking about, but what the heck, it's slow enough in here.

Here's my settings for playing music and stuff on Youtube.
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I'm tweaking stuff for non-Youtube music, because I don't need nearly as much bass for stuff normally. Youtube quality videos just tend to be devoid of decent bass frequencies.
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#2 Mar 27 2011 at 1:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
it's slow enough in here.
Build me one of these.
#3 Mar 27 2011 at 1:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
it's slow enough in here.
Build me one of these.
Heh, nice.

Also, these are my WMP settings, right now anyway.
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Edited, Mar 27th 2011 1:55am by Kirby
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#4 Mar 27 2011 at 2:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, see. Now the YouTube settings I had seem far too extreme.

Gah, I'm gonna be tweaking this **** for another hour or so.
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#5 Mar 27 2011 at 2:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have to be honest, I have no idea what any of that stuff means when looking at an equalizer. I tend to hit a couple presets til something sounds good and call it a day.
#6 Mar 27 2011 at 2:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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I googled it, seemed easy enough, but I've just discovered I'm a perfectionist when it comes to this now...
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#7 Mar 27 2011 at 2:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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So I was looking for a good song to test my settings to, and this does the job pretty well.
High quality recording, lots of frequencies to test for. Plus its a nice song.

I give up. Just gonna stick with this for everything.
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Oh, and I turned off Bass Boost.

Edited, Mar 27th 2011 2:54am by Kirby
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#8 Mar 27 2011 at 3:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
I give up.
Probably a good idea, here.
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Kirby doesn't realize that a perfectionist would download all lossless file types, have an EQ setting for each and every song, and never touch YouTube audio, as well as not use his ****** headphones or speakers. Just sayin'.

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Edited, Mar 27th 2011 2:09pm by Manosuke
#10 Mar 27 2011 at 2:17 PM Rating: Excellent
Still wanna give me **** for calling him borderline autistic, kirb?
#11 Mar 27 2011 at 2:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe.
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#12 Mar 27 2011 at 2:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
as well as not use his sh*tty headphones or speakers. Just sayin'.
My speakers are ****-tier, but my earphones are pretty awesome.
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#13 Mar 27 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Excellent
It's hard to have ****** headphones these days.
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Did you pay less than 150 bucks for your headphones? They are sh*t. You want good you are looking at something like this bare minimum.

Edited, Mar 27th 2011 6:24pm by Manosuke
#15 Mar 27 2011 at 7:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Comparatively **** when held up against today's standards, definitely. However, my $25 headset that I use on my PC is leaps and bounds better than anything I had growing up. That said, I have a nice pair of Monster in-ear buds that I use for listening to music away from the computer (which I typically use a soundsystem for).
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Yesterday's standards are exactly that, yesterday's. Why would I use something old and outdated as a comparison of quality? I am all for including the old things in the comparison, however they get compared on the exact same grounds as todays newest and best items. I could say a 64 mb hard drive is huge from a 1990 standpoint, but that doesn't make a 64 mb hard drive huge today and is thus an innaccurate measure.

Edited, Mar 27th 2011 8:33pm by Manosuke
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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
Yesterday's standards are exactly that, yesterday's. Why would I use something old and outdated as a comparison of quality? I am all for including the old things in the comparison, however they get compared on the exact same grounds as todays newest and best items. I could say a 64 mb hard drive is huge from a 1990 standpoint, but that doesn't make a 64 mb hard drive huge today and is thus an innaccurate measure.
Bad analogy, IMO. File sizes have increased over time, so there's a quantifiable comparison of what the two can hold.

However, the human ear is the same as it was in 1990, and there's only so much quality of sound you can get before it's more or less a pointless exercise in ego *************
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[quote=Manosuke the Irrelevant]Yesterday's standards are exactly that, yesterday's. Why would I use something old and outdated as a comparison of quality? I am all for including the old things in the comparison, however they get compared on the exact same grounds as todays newest and best items. I could say a 64 mb hard drive is huge from a 1990 standpoint, but that doesn't make a 64 mb hard drive huge today and is thus an innaccurate measure.
Bad analogy, IMO. File sizes have increased over time, so there's a quantifiable comparison of what the two can hold.

However, the human ear is the same as it was in 1990, and there's only so much quality of sound you can get before it's more or less a pointless exercise in ego *********************
There have been many quantifiable and qualitative comparitive factors in things like headphones and speaker systems, headphones especially with improvements in noise cancelling, improvements to driver designs in earbuds, generating bass tones in smaller earbuds and other more portable headphone styles, increases in comfort levels when wearing earbuds in particular, decreasing noise across cables with better cables, shielding and higher quality materials and improvements to processing. I could continue listing things you could compare, but the fact of the matter is especially in the earbud family for headphones pretty much anything you pick up off a store shelf at futureshop, bestbuy, <insert big chain electronics store here>, walmart or the like is going to be crap or hitting the 150-200 dollar bracket, why because it hits the best range of consumers, the normal consumer who walks in and goes, "This one is cheapest" or "Ooohhh this one is pink I want it, ahhh 50 bucks /meh I will get it anyways cus hur dur pink" and the High end (and uneducated) consumer that walks in and buys the high price tag item for some marginal benefit that he probly won't notice. Go to a branded store Sony for example, they will stock a whole range of products from their line, not just the ones that sell the most, you can probly find a fairly decent set of earbuds for something like 80-90 bucks and a really good set for like 300-500 depending on the brand. Or go something more like this where you sacrifice like 8 hz on your low end frequency response to save like 270ish bucks.

Earbuds are where the differences in the price ranges are most pronounced, and any noise cancelling earbud is gonna drop 2-4kHz off it's high end frequency response no exceptions and increase the price by a lot more than it is worth.

Edited, Mar 28th 2011 12:52am by Manosuke
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Still wanna give me sh*t for calling him borderline autistic, kirb?

Snobbishness isn't autism.
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Still wanna give me sh*t for calling him borderline autistic, kirb?

Elitism isn't autism.


Edited, Mar 28th 2011 12:52am by Manosuke
#21 Mar 28 2011 at 1:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
Or go something more like this where you sacrifice like 8 hz on your low end frequency response to save like 270ish bucks.
I have these, they seem pretty comparable. I got them for ~$90.

I'm just wondering how much of a difference that 7hz would make on the lower end, I don't even have a way to modify the 16hz range on my Creative console, or WMP.

Edited, Mar 28th 2011 1:28am by Kirby
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#22 Mar 28 2011 at 2:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
There have been many quantifiable and qualitative comparitive factors in things like headphones and speaker systems, headphones especially with improvements in noise cancelling, improvements to driver designs in earbuds, generating bass tones in smaller earbuds and other more portable headphone styles, increases in comfort levels when wearing earbuds in particular, decreasing noise across cables with better cables, shielding and higher quality materials and improvements to processing. I could continue listing things you could compare, but the fact of the matter is especially in the earbud family for headphones pretty much anything you pick up off a store shelf at futureshop, bestbuy, <insert big chain electronics store here>, walmart or the like is going to be crap or hitting the 150-200 dollar bracket, why because it hits the best range of consumers, the normal consumer who walks in and goes, "This one is cheapest" or "Ooohhh this one is pink I want it, ahhh 50 bucks /meh I will get it anyways cus hur dur pink" and the High end (and uneducated) consumer that walks in and buys the high price tag item for some marginal benefit that he probly won't notice. Go to a branded store Sony for example, they will stock a whole range of products from their line, not just the ones that sell the most, you can probly find a fairly decent set of earbuds for something like 80-90 bucks and a really good set for like 300-500 depending on the brand. Or go something more like this where you sacrifice like 8 hz on your low end frequency response to save like 270ish bucks.
I'm not questioning that the tech has gotten better. I'm questioning to what point can you really hear a difference.

If the difference in sound for the $20 headphones to the $200 headphones is small enough, what's the point?
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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
There have been many quantifiable and qualitative comparitive factors in things like headphones and speaker systems, headphones especially with improvements in noise cancelling, improvements to driver designs in earbuds, generating bass tones in smaller earbuds and other more portable headphone styles, increases in comfort levels when wearing earbuds in particular, decreasing noise across cables with better cables, shielding and higher quality materials and improvements to processing. I could continue listing things you could compare, but the fact of the matter is especially in the earbud family for headphones pretty much anything you pick up off a store shelf at futureshop, bestbuy, <insert big chain electronics store here>, walmart or the like is going to be crap or hitting the 150-200 dollar bracket, why because it hits the best range of consumers, the normal consumer who walks in and goes, "This one is cheapest" or "Ooohhh this one is pink I want it, ahhh 50 bucks /meh I will get it anyways cus hur dur pink" and the High end (and uneducated) consumer that walks in and buys the high price tag item for some marginal benefit that he probly won't notice. Go to a branded store Sony for example, they will stock a whole range of products from their line, not just the ones that sell the most, you can probly find a fairly decent set of earbuds for something like 80-90 bucks and a really good set for like 300-500 depending on the brand. Or go something more like this where you sacrifice like 8 hz on your low end frequency response to save like 270ish bucks.
I'm not questioning that the tech has gotten better. I'm questioning to what point can you really hear a difference.

If the difference in sound for the $20 headphones to the $200 headphones is small enough, what's the point?
That is exactly the point and the reason I suggested someone go with the 130ish set, because with the difference in frequency response you would hardly be able to tell the difference, however the magnet in the 400 dollar pair will produce richer bass sounds than the one in the 130 dollar pair. There is a very noticeable difference in audio quality between a crappy pair of 50ish dollar earbuds and a good pair and if you look after them they should last you for several years, so why not invest in a good pair.
#24 Mar 28 2011 at 3:35 PM Rating: Excellent
Whatever, I guess, the only time I need fancy headphones is when I'm outside or in public. Cheap headphones sound great to me so long as I have not background noise.
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