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So I like my new job for the most part but one part of it bugs me a lot; all the stupid people. Not my co-workers mind you they are all intelligent enough for the most part, but the kind of people who on Wednesday, the day their gas cylinders get delivered figure it's cool to have everyone at the shop park in front of the cylinder cage, or who give me **** for selling them an empty chemtane when you can feel it's full (it's like a propane bottle), so you take an hour out of your day go get a new one go back and drop it off and they are like oh we hooked it up to the wrong nozzle that's why the gauge was reading 0 PSI (after I conveniently pointed out that the hook up was labelled for Acetelyne the first time I was there). Then the star of my day was the dude who when I said I was there to drop off compressed gas they had ordered thought I meant compressed Gasoline, took 15 minutes to unhook a C25 mixed argon from a welder (close the valve unscrew the fitting; done) and then couldn't figure out that to get it out of the cart you had to lift the cylinder.

Well more than just welding but yah, I deliver compressed gas cylinders.

Yah, I know my expectations were a bit high, expecting people to know how to do their jobs when I was delivering materials for them to do their jobs; what was I thinking. As for parking in front of the cylinder cages I will just set cylinders behind their vehicles and let them know that they can move them themselves if it happens again at the same places, that or just tell them I stopped the cage was inaccessible and I will be back next week. The one guy would be pissed they go through all their gas stock every week and they would have to get some hot shotted out or something which is a lot more pricey (like double and add a zero type pricey) than me stopping there on the run.

Edited, Mar 2nd 2011 9:16pm by Manosuke

It could be worse. Not only do I have do deal with stupid and occasionally worthless people at work, I have no chance of getting raise no matter how good of a job I do. The company lost a few large clients last year so they announced a raise freeze. Basically, I have no motivation to do anything beyond show up everyday and not get fired.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2011 1:02am by Turin

Yeah, and gotta love the corporate media always doing stories about how "overpaid" state/gov workers are compared to people working in the "private" sector. Why not talk about how "underpaid" corporate workers are? Especially in light of the utterly ridiculous CEO wages. Seriously.

I work in the public sector and it makes my blood boil to see that propaganda. I mean, yeah, brilliant, get workers to fight for everyone to have no benefits, no pension and sh^tty wages - that's the way to make our lives better.

I wish more people would see those stories and think "gee, maybe I deserve the same type of wages and benefits that those workers are getting... and since CEO ******** is making $800 million a year, we could probably afford it if he only made $400 million a year."

There is ABSOLUTELY NO justification for anyone making that kind of cash - none at all. Unless they are keeping god from destroying the world by sucking his **** and keeping him in a good mood, they are not doing enough to deserve that kind of money.

I know, I'm totally anti free market, too.

That's how it should be. Probably should start with a relatively low salary based upon the company's size, and allow either the board or the stock holders to decide on a sizable bonus based on yearly performance.

Fantastic! A link that has almost nothing to do with CEO salaries. I guess in this instance I'm /k/gbagi and you can be /k/joph.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2011 6:32pm by Lubriderm

CEO pay versus worker pay:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/04/08/business/pay.graphic.jpg

Warren Buffett's Tax Rate is Lower than His Secretary's :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5B-2LoC4s

Edited, Mar 3rd 2011 3:47pm by Olorinus

No idea what you are talking about, but ok.

What's your solution?

Nice. I hope this promotion comes with a raise? Or is that too much to ask?

It's a good question, and this is where things get tricky. I won't pretend that I've got the idea to fix it - but I have my opinions on the situation. I am also on percocet (from getting teeth yanked out) right now (at 3:45 in the morning) so give me a bit of a break if I don't make much sense (though I hope to).

Honestly there are a few ways you could do it:

1) Regulation. Make a law that says that companies can pay their CEOs as much as they want but it cannot be more than a certain multiple of their lowest paid worker (let's say 100 times more). When a company becomes more profitable and grows, doesn't every worker contribute to that? Why should all the rewards go to the top? The CEO would have, in this case, even more of an incentive to get the company making money, because in order to get paid more the company needs to become profitable enough to pay everyone more.

Possible cons: The CEO would also have an incentive to hire fewer workers because it is less expensive to pay 100 workers a great wage, versus 1000 workers. You may also see most people in the company at the lowest tier of pay (so a company of 100 workers would have 90 all making the same wage, and then 9 managerial types making more, and the CEO - perhaps.)

Possible pros: Even though the companies may have less workers they would have a lot of incentive to up productivity by investing in their factories, and researching labour saving technology. Although in the short term it would seem that there may be people losing their jobs - those left working would have better wages - so you might see a return of the "family supporting wage" so that families could have 1 worker and one homemaker again - or workers may be able to afford to work part time so they would have time to properly raise their children or pursue person pursuits (from making art to playing videogames).

Another possible pro - on the company side, is everyone in the company may feel a lot more motivated to make the company profitable because they would realize their personal effort might actually end in direct reward.

[Personal aside: I think that is part of what is wrong with the whole soundbyte that says "people will lose their jobs!" or "this will create jobs" - is that what matters less than jobs is family income. If jobs are lost as a result of family incomes going up overall, what you have is people making more money in less time, and having more time to do good things instead of slaving their lives away.

If more jobs are created but they are lower paying or pay stagnant wages, then yay, people can work more than 40 hours a week and still fail to be able to provide for their families. Doesn't it make more sense to talk about family finances as opposed to jobs? There used to be fewer jobs in the American economy, but people could also afford to buy a house on one income. I am not someone who advocates mothers should stay home with the kids (that is a decision that should be made by each family) but I do think that many of the mental health and behavioral problems that are out there are related to kids not getting enough time from their parents, not cause their parents are jerks, but because their parents are working hard to pay the mortgage and put food on the table and after slaving away for 8 hours (not including an hour of traffic there and back) they get home and simply don't have the mental energy to always be super mom or super dad. It is hurting our families and our society.]

2) Taxation.

I am not going to go into this one atm cause I am tired but I think the biggest pitfall is the fact that our governments consistently waste our tax dollars and use them as monopoly money to buy our votes. There are some pros but most of them rely on government not sucking and unfortunately governments often suck - so this method would be a lot more difficult to pull off.

Edited, Mar 5th 2011 3:52am by Olorinus