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Is TPO gone for good now? This place is going to slow way down if that's the case.

Also, Kirby, why did you make it protected (I saw you mention this in another thread)?

If varus can come back from so many bans, I would assume that they would let rog back eventually, although that sock probably hurt his chances.

I'm to relay to Roger, from Kao, that immediately making a sock after the ban, and spamming 250+ posts 'did not help the situation.'

They let RCD back, too, didn't they?

Used to be rdmdontdie. Is now rdmcandie. Pretty sure he was b& and not just a namechange.

He's not bad in the FFXI-y type stuff. Definitely comes off as extremely smug in the oot and asylum.

Thats one of those areas that gives admins headaches. The asylum remains a special case in terms of rules of what is taboo. If Varus posted anywhere else in the site, ever, he would be gone permanently. We actually had an unprescedented vote in the Asylum over whether we should remove him permanently or allow him to make new accounts, and the end majority was actually 3/4ths for keeping him around in some form just because he's so far out of the realm of sane that he livens the place up a bit. The asylum has been picking up a bit recently, but for all intents and purposes it has too small a population to be terribly picky about posters anymore. The other odd thing about that is that many times, he doesn't get banned, he just changes username when he drops down too far below the filter to where he can't see his own posts. Yes, it is a precedent, no it doesn't necessarily apply to the rest of the forum simply because the content ruleset for Asylum is different. There, flaming is allowed and encouraged, as are most topics of dicussion we wouldn't allow in the rest of the forum.



RDMdontdie was banned for going off on a spam tirade against the site over what he thought at the time was a virus infection he believed at the time to have been loaded from the site. Things were said by him at the time that were really less than polite, and I didn't really care for some of the names. It later turned out that the infection came from a completely different site. Approximatly 1 year later he appologized and asked for a second chance. He is currently operating under the famous "one strike and you are one again forever" policy, and he was not allowed to retain his prior post count.

I am aware there was friction between TPO/ROG and several of the FFXI admins. That didn't play a factor in the decision to issue a ban. If anything, it delayed the decision on my part because we were making allowances for that very issue. I'm not going to really get into detail on that though. The final decision on a ban was due almost entirly to the direct "If you do this action again in the FFXI forum which is against rule X and you have been previously warned over repeatedly, you will be banned, you have no more chances" ultimatum I issued, and then his doing said action again. For what its worth, I was for the last year prior to the ban the only admin who was arguing that we should keep him around despite the moderating overhead he caused. It wasn't some spur of the moment decision, it wasn't something personally motivated. It was a line, and a choice to cross that line on his part.

Thanks for being open about this stuff, Kao.

Aye. Open and proactively informative. I wonder, Kao, if in a week or so, if a rog mule showed up, and didn't rack up hundreds of posts in the first few days, and steered far clear of =10 (or any in the XI genre) for a while, if it would go under the radar.

I should have been a bit more specific there are really only one maybe two admins I know of that I think tend to be a bit too personally involved in some of their actions, mostly in their dealings with people or their expression of their opinions. As a moderator or an admin I personally think you are sort of waving your right to posting controversial (apart from maybe trying to start a discussion on the topic or guiding it slightly without taking a side) or participating in some of the more heated discussions (read: Arguments), atleast that is how I see an Admin or moderator functioning. Really I have no major issues with anyone really, least of all you Kao, most my dealings on any official admin business have been pleasant and handled fairly easily.