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#1 Sep 16 2008 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Crafting with inscription requires the inscriber to get pigments from herbs. The process, called milling, is similar to jewelcrafting's prospecting: five herbs are destroyed to create a small quantity (1-3) of pigments. A few beta testers have put out levelling guides describing how to powerlevel the skill, but those guides have shied away from recommending specific herbs to mill. That makes sense: herb prices vary from server to server, and since the craft is still deep in the playtesting process, there's a good chance that any recommendations made now will be obsolete when it goes live.

However, since many of us here are already stockpiling herbs to powerlevel or profit when the craft goes live, I'm going to share my thoughts on what herbs to procure. Different pigments come from different tiers of inks; you get the same pigment from milling peacebloom as you do from silverleaf, bloodthistle, earthroot and mageroyal. So there's no point in milling earthroot, which is generally the most expensive of these herbs, instead of bloodthistle or peacebloom, which are generally the cheapest. Of course, none of these early herbs cost more than a handful of silver anyway, so bargain hunting isn't very rewarding at this level. To powerlevel, I suggest buying a stack of peacebloom and a stack of silverleaf (these herbs are used straight in an early ink), and three stacks of any of these herbs. I wouldn't bother stockpiling these low-value herbs.

The next pigment comes from briarthorn, bruiseweed, stranglekelp and swiftthistle. Bruiseweed is generally the cheapest of these. Get two stacks of it for powerleveling. Stockpiling it doesn't seem like it would be very profitable, since so little of this ink is needed for powerlevelling.

The next hit on the pigment parade is from kingsblood, gravemoss, liferoot or wild steelbloom. Kingsblood and liferoot are generally cheaper than the other two. You'll want five stacks total of the two of them combined for powerlevelling. Stockpiling these herbs might be quite profitable--they're cheap enough that you could mark them up pretty heavily and still have a stack cost less than someone gets from a single daily quest. People unfamiliar with the herb market won't balk at that price, leaving you a huge profit margin.

The next pigment is found in goldthorn, fadeleaf, khadgar's whisker, and wintersbite. Anyone who has ever leveled herbalism knows just how common and how hard to sell khadgar's whisker is. Powerlevel with 5 stacks of that cheap herb, and stockpile it for more huge profits come inscription.

There's many sources for the next pigment: blindweed, sungrass, firebloom, purple lotus, arthas' tears, ghost mushroom and gromsblood. Here server prices begin to vary wildly: purple lotus is cheapest on one server I know, arthas' tears on another, and blindweed on another, with enormous price differences differentiating them. Still, any of the above are likely to be cheaper than sungrass, much less ghost mushroom or gromsblood. You'll need a whopping twelve stacks for powerlevelling. If you have the budget to stage a buyout of these herbs, you might be able to corner the market. That's a risky move, but could pay big. Stockpiling is bound to be profitable, as these herbs are spread out and not terribly easy to farm.

They're easier to farm than the next tier of herbs, though: golden sansam, dreamfoil, mountain silversage, plaguebloom and icecap. Expect to pay a gold or more each for all these herbs. Icecap might be the exception--the demand for it has been so low, any on your AH might be quite cheap. Otherwise, you'll have to pay the high costs of golden sansam and dreamfoil, which tend to be cheaper than plaguebloom and silversage. You'll need 15 stacks for powerlevelling. These are the herbs to farm in anticipation of inscription--they're hugely profitable now, and their value will only go up. Their high prices make stockpiling from the AH or trying to corner the market expensive, but the potential profit is huge.

The last pigment available before the expansion comes from Outland herbs: dreaming glory, felweed, flame cap, mana thistle, netherbloom, nightmare vine, ragveil, teracone and ancient lichen. The volume of these herbs should be quite high on your AH, but steady demand keeps the price up in many cases. I've found that felweed goes up at low prices, however, sometimes cheaper than khadgar's whisker. Buy plenty of it; you'll need 15 stacks or so for power leveling. At those prices, buying some to mark up on inscription day might also pay off well--again, there are people who don't know the market.

These herbs will get you the pigments to make the inks to craft the glyphs that will level a character to 350 inscription, or even to 375 though waiting until the expansion for those 25 points would be economical--the next pigment comes from Northrend herbs only, and makes an ink that is yellow at 350 inscription.

Good luck to you all. May flowers turn to gold in your pockets.
#2 Sep 16 2008 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
I started stockpiling herbs 3 days ago, but I'm not buying them. The current AH value of the herbs I've been gathering outstrips what I could hope from doing dailies. I have a 70 hunter with 375 herbalism and an epic flyer. I also have a 55 Rogue with 280 herbalism. (Rogue will be my inscription alt, hunter will be dropping herbalism for alchemy when I've got an abundance of herbs banked.)

I still have a ways to go, but I'm enjoying it and when 3.0.2 goes live, I'll be squared away to rocket my rogue's inscription to profitable levels. Not only that, my guild will be well supplied with glyphs ;D
#3 Sep 16 2008 at 7:45 PM Rating: Default
Sigh, its gonna SOOOOOOO suck being an alchy for the first 3-6 months of this expansion as every herb node is stripped bare the second it spawns by pharmers and stuff like peacebloom is going for 20g a stack in the AH. >_<
#4 Sep 16 2008 at 9:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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rusttle wrote:
Sigh, its gonna SOOOOOOO suck being an alchy for the first 3-6 months of this expansion as every herb node is stripped bare the second it spawns by pharmers and stuff like peacebloom is going for 20g a stack in the AH. >_<


Not really, not much is going to change for alchemy.

If you're a herber that's a good thing to be as herbs will be overpriced.

If you don't have herbalism, then to the econ alchemy is already a non-profit tradeskill. The best profit in alche is possibly in transmutes and that doesn't use any herbs.

As for the herbs for the recipes, if you read closely most of the herbs that inscription is going to be using are the lowest price herb of a herb tier. And each herb tier has herbs that are so unused that they end up going to the vendor.
#5 Sep 16 2008 at 9:45 PM Rating: Good
xorq wrote:

As for the herbs for the recipes, if you read closely most of the herbs that inscription is going to be using are the lowest price herb of a herb tier. And each herb tier has herbs that are so unused that they end up going to the vendor.


Not exactly. From what I've read, you can use (almost) every herb from each tier to mill into pigments. You do have the option of milling the cheaper herbs if you're buying your herbs from auction. If you wanted to go uber-pennypincher, you could sell the more expensive herbs from a given tier and use them to buy a larger quantity of cheaper herbs from the same tier, but meh...that sounds too much like work.
#6 Sep 17 2008 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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Emmit, Please delete your post.

I don't want anyone to know about this until I have bought and collected all the herbs on my server. I will be rich, I tell you, RICH !

I was lucky enough to have a ton of copper when Jewelcrafting was introduced. It was normally, at most, 20s a stack. The 1st few weeks of BC it went as high as 5g a stack. Ahhh, memories!

Seriously, thanks for the heads up on this. Appreciate it.

#7 Sep 18 2008 at 7:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'll add on to Emmit's post a little...

Assuming you're actually farming these herbs yourself (yes, some of us still farm!), there are some useful places to go and find these.

For the tier with blindweed, sungrass, firebloom, purple lotus, arthas' tears, ghost mushroom and gromsblood, the easiest place to find a bunch of blindweed is in the Swamp of Sorrows. The stuff is EVERYWHERE. Running a circuit for an hour or so through the SoS, you'll come out with several stacks of blindweed, plus some other herbs as well.

For the next tier, plaguebloom is found in semi-static places throughout the plaguelands (go figure). Each of the four farms in WPL has one static plaguebloom spawn. If you're looking for other herbs, farming dire maul west might also work; I believe there is gromsblood, ghost mushrooms, and other herbs there.

Not a huge help, but if you'd rather farm than buy up stuff, there you go!

Edit: Oops, forgot the Outland herbs! Any level 70 worth his salt can farm the Ancients in Skettis (hopefully there won't be much competition). They drop some herbs and motes of life, so it's best to farm these before the next expansion when Primals will go the way of Essences. You just need to kill the elite and then herb the corpse. Easy!

Edited, Sep 18th 2008 10:57am by LockeColeMA
#8 Sep 18 2008 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks a lot for this!

Now comes the time to start stockpiling herbs!

/2 WTB Multiple herb bags! PST!
#9 Sep 21 2008 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
Since we're giving away all the secrets...

(ur bad k)

I didn't bother messing around with Plaguebloom or Icecap or any of that nonsense. I have the benefit of a 70 toon with epic flight and it was much, much faster (and easier) to pillage HFP for Dreamfoil, Mountain Silversage and Golden Sansam (and Felweed and Dreaming Glory to boot) than it would have been to cruise around WPL/EPL looking for things. Now that my rogue is in HFP, I'm continuing to gather whatever I come across and banking it, but I had 19 stacks of the top tier Azeroth herbs set aside before my rogue had even crossed through the Dark Portal for the first time.

And yes, Swamp of Sorrows is bloody amazing for herbs. No other zone could compare for density and ease of access for that particular tier, which is good, because it's another one of those, "zomfg this is a pain" tiers.
#10 Sep 21 2008 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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AureliusSir wrote:
xorq wrote:

As for the herbs for the recipes, if you read closely most of the herbs that inscription is going to be using are the lowest price herb of a herb tier. And each herb tier has herbs that are so unused that they end up going to the vendor.


Not exactly. From what I've read, you can use (almost) every herb from each tier to mill into pigments. You do have the option of milling the cheaper herbs if you're buying your herbs from auction. If you wanted to go uber-pennypincher, you could sell the more expensive herbs from a given tier and use them to buy a larger quantity of cheaper herbs from the same tier, but meh...that sounds too much like work.


This is my expected population activity.

A number will farm their herbs themselves for the purpose of leveling inscription. These are the people that are likely to just mill a higher price herb instead of getting a lower price herb from the AH. Their impact on AH prices will be low as they will buy very little and sell very little.

The rest of the people will buy off the AH the lowest price herb for each pigment. Now this may make leveling up alche more expensive than usual, but for an already leveled alche this is the impact I expect.

Alabaster Pigment: Peacebloom, Silverleaf, Earthroot, Mageroyal.
Vendorherbs, no impact on alchemists.

Dusky Pigment: Briarthorn, Swiftwhistle, Bruiseweed, Stranglekelp.
Bruiseweed is a vendorherb. I use the others for PvP. The demand vs availability for these will probably exhaust this group of herbs. Impact: Xorq will be missing his favorite PvP pots, nobody else will notice.

Golden Pigment: Wild Steelbloom, Grave Moss, Kingsblood, Liferoot.
Wild steelbloom, Kingsblood and Liferoot are vendorherbs and people are going to buy them. No impact on alchemy.

Emerald: Fadeleaf, Goldthorn, Khadgar's Whisker, and Wintersbite.
Khadgar's are the vendorherb of this tier. The other herbs won't be missed anyway. No impact on alchemy.

Violet Pigment: Firebloom, Purple Lotus, Arthas' Tears, Sungrass, Blindweed, Ghost Mushroom, and Gromsblood.
Ghost Mushroom and Gromsblood = Elixir of Demonslaying. The rest of the group are vendorherbs that will find sellers. Expect no impact on alchemy.

Silvery Pigment: Golden Sansam, Dreamfoil, Mountain Silversage, Plaguebloom, and Icecap.
Icecap is a vendorherb but nobody is farming it. Impact: Elixirs of Major Strenght, Healing Power and Adept's Elixir may become more expensive to make.

Nether Pigment: "Commonly found when milling herbs native to Outland."
Felweed has a very low price and is very abundant, the low supply and high price of the other herbs put a cap on the felweed demand that is waaaay below it's supply. I'd expect a small price increase on felweed but really, small.

Currently on my server Terocone and Dreaming Glory go for 40-50g a stack. I don't know, but to make it a good deal to farm old world herbs instead of Terocone/DG they'd have to go for at least 40-50g a stack. I'll just buy whatever I can find to resell later. :P

Edited, Sep 21st 2008 10:30pm by xorq
#11 Sep 22 2008 at 7:44 AM Rating: Decent
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What do you mean by "vendorherbs"?

You mean herbs that are so cheap you end up just vendoring them??

On my server, Emerald pigment gets down to about 25S per herb, violet pigment = 50S per herb, and Silvery pigment = 1G per herb.

Nothing is a cheap herb here.
#12 Sep 23 2008 at 1:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a herber gathering for when I level inscription (though I probably won't do that until level 80 as I plan to level up the character with a gathering skill and then switch). I miss out on the money that the first few inscriptors will inevitably be able to make, but as with all my tradeskills it's mainly for personal/guild benefit rather than profit making.

Blindweed also spawns in Zangamarsh (I'm cursing all those times I left it there), currently I'm farming outland herbs mainly (druid epic flighform = win), but I really should collect some of the lower tier herbs soon.

With regards to which herbs I'll be milling, I'm currently planning to sell the high value herbs I'm getting (e.g. Terocone) and either get enough through gathering to level or use the gold I make to buy cheaper herbs to level with.

I'm planning to get enough herbs to level with (once I find a guide) and then maybe some surplus so that I can make Vellum for my enchanter (assuming you level through enchanting scrolls). Hopefully this will ease the levelling of those two professions (the toon I level first to 80 will also probably be a tailor which should be able to feed my enchanter some mats... maybe I am getting to the point of being too self sufficient).

Luckily I have a couple of lower level herbalists as well so they can work on getting the low end mats for me. Whilst it will be less efficient from a pure time aspect, they'll also be levelling the skill (and possibly getting xp killing mobs) making it more useful then running around on my 70 doing it.
#13 Sep 23 2008 at 4:12 AM Rating: Decent
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baveux wrote:
What do you mean by "vendorherbs"?

You mean herbs that are so cheap you end up just vendoring them??

On my server, Emerald pigment gets down to about 25S per herb, violet pigment = 50S per herb, and Silvery pigment = 1G per herb.

Nothing is a cheap herb here.


It's a kind of reference to goldenscale vendorfish. :P

When inscription wasn't there those herbs were so cheap that you'd vendor them. Putting them on the AH was a waste of time because you'd have to put them up for several days (or over a week) just to get a few extra silvers. In the past I just vendored those or simply not loot the node.

Surely with inscription they will no longer be vendored and their price will go up a lot the first days of inscription.
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