Any other Enchanter's (Besides Me) getting giddy with the knowledge that once the X-Pac hits we will be able to sell Ench's via the AH?
Or, even more important to me personally, provide our Alts with Enchants; even on our BOPS! WOOT!
Edit: I have been waiting for this for over 2 years....finally!
Edited, Aug 22nd 2008 3:36pm by dbernor
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Another biggy will be being able to link your spellbook in trade chat. I can't help but think that you won't make any/much money on enchants once a few people have them, probably going to be just over materials cost + AH fee.
I can't wait for the whole book to show up in trade. I have a very strong dislike for those people that want everything hand fed to them.
"Can someone link me the mats to mongoose?"
"Links spell I can do it for you, if you want."
"Oh, ok, ty. Just wanted to know the mats not actually getting it."
Or the good old "lf high level enchanter" followed by "what can you do for wrists? how about hands? can you do belts?"
Allakhazam, Thottbot, Wowhead, Wowwiki and the like are not hard to use, now instead of feeding them the single answer, I might be able to make a macro to actually have them work maybe a little.
"Can someone link me the mats to mongoose?"
"Links spell I can do it for you, if you want."
"Oh, ok, ty. Just wanted to know the mats not actually getting it."
Or the good old "lf high level enchanter" followed by "what can you do for wrists? how about hands? can you do belts?"
Allakhazam, Thottbot, Wowhead, Wowwiki and the like are not hard to use, now instead of feeding them the single answer, I might be able to make a macro to actually have them work maybe a little.
We will be able to Enchant our Alts!
I know I stated it before but I really think Enchanting has gotten screwed by this for a long time.
I know I stated it before but I really think Enchanting has gotten screwed by this for a long time.
How exactly are you going to sell an enchant on the AH...like a scroll that provides 1 enchant or something?
Inscription will provide a scroll that will take a certain type of enchant, say a scroll for 1 handed weapons. You then enchant that scroll with say mongoose and the scroll will get the enchant you cast on it. Then you can mail the scroll to your alt or put it in the auction house and they will use it like the leg armor patches.
The price will be a little higher, because we have yet to see how spendy the scrolls themselves will be, but it should help a lot.
Edited, Aug 24th 2008 4:30am by mundaneboy
The price will be a little higher, because we have yet to see how spendy the scrolls themselves will be, but it should help a lot.
Edited, Aug 24th 2008 4:30am by mundaneboy
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I'm not and enchanter but i can't wait to but the enchants off the AH. I have had terrible luck in /trade finding the enchants I need and personally am a little leary of handing 1000g of mats to someone for the enchant. Yeah I would likely get the stuff back after a call to the GM but still the AH will be a safe alternative for types like me.
I wonder what this is going to do to the cost of enchanting mats and supplies. If everyone no longer needs to buy the mats for themselves, are the prices going to go down because now they can just buy the enchants, or are prices going to go up as enchanters are not going to be putting mats on the ah, instead putting enchants?
I'm happy, and hope they do this before WotLK hits stores. Not likely to happen, but one can dream.
I asked an enchanter who was looking for work how much it would be to put +7 Stam on my boots. He said 7G. Wow, that's a deal, I thought, normal prices on the mats are 10-12G. No, no, he wanted 7G AND I was to bring my own mats.
That was met with a LOL. I'll gladly pay 20-30 percent tip. But a 58% tip? Thanks, but I'll pass. Now I'll be able to enchant my alts without having to go through this silliness.
I asked an enchanter who was looking for work how much it would be to put +7 Stam on my boots. He said 7G. Wow, that's a deal, I thought, normal prices on the mats are 10-12G. No, no, he wanted 7G AND I was to bring my own mats.
That was met with a LOL. I'll gladly pay 20-30 percent tip. But a 58% tip? Thanks, but I'll pass. Now I'll be able to enchant my alts without having to go through this silliness.
This makes me happy mostly because it'll let me enchant all my other characters' gear. It annoys me no end that I can't do that right now.
As for how this will affect the price of enchanting mats, I don't think it will affect much. Unlike most other professions, most enchanting mats can't farmed by non-enchanters. Enchanters completely control the entire market and therefore the price of enchants. I don't see scrolls changing that aspect so mat prices themselves probably won't be affected much by this, if at all.
It'll be interesting to see what affect this has on the AH though.
High end enchants I don't see changing much. High end items are too much of an up front gold sink to be worth risking them on the AH (i.e. I'm not going to spend 1100g making a Belt of Blasting on the off chance that someone might be willing to pay an inflated AH price for it.) I see high end enchant scrolls becoming just like any other high end craftable. You'll see some on the AH but most people will buy/farm the mats and find crafters anyway just to avoid the inflated AH prices.
What interests me more is seeing what happens with the low-end and mid level enchants. A level 64 warrior probably won't shell out 170g for +12 stam to bracers, but he may be willing to pay 8g for +12 str if it's easily available. I see the low-mid level enchants being the ones frequently found on the AH with the higher level ones being 'find a crafter' just like they are now.
As for how this will affect the price of enchanting mats, I don't think it will affect much. Unlike most other professions, most enchanting mats can't farmed by non-enchanters. Enchanters completely control the entire market and therefore the price of enchants. I don't see scrolls changing that aspect so mat prices themselves probably won't be affected much by this, if at all.
It'll be interesting to see what affect this has on the AH though.
High end enchants I don't see changing much. High end items are too much of an up front gold sink to be worth risking them on the AH (i.e. I'm not going to spend 1100g making a Belt of Blasting on the off chance that someone might be willing to pay an inflated AH price for it.) I see high end enchant scrolls becoming just like any other high end craftable. You'll see some on the AH but most people will buy/farm the mats and find crafters anyway just to avoid the inflated AH prices.
What interests me more is seeing what happens with the low-end and mid level enchants. A level 64 warrior probably won't shell out 170g for +12 stam to bracers, but he may be willing to pay 8g for +12 str if it's easily available. I see the low-mid level enchants being the ones frequently found on the AH with the higher level ones being 'find a crafter' just like they are now.
75 Rabbit/75 Sheep/75 Coeurl/75 Eft/75 Raptor/75 Hippogryph/75 Puk
75 Scorpion/75 Wamoura/75 Pixie/75 Peiste/64 Sabotender
51 Bird/41 Mandragora/40 Bee/37 Crawler/37 Bat
Items no one cares about: O
Missions no one cares about: O
Crafts no one cares about: O
75 Scorpion/75 Wamoura/75 Pixie/75 Peiste/64 Sabotender
51 Bird/41 Mandragora/40 Bee/37 Crawler/37 Bat
Items no one cares about: O
Missions no one cares about: O
Crafts no one cares about: O
I think this will be good and bad.
Good because now I don't have to sit there trying to sell stuff in Org all night. It is so hard for an enchanter to make money actually DOING enchanting. We make all our money from selling mats. And it's not like we can go farm void crystals for enchants, or shards, or anything else for that matter (for high level enchants).
Bad because well, now the price of all enchants will go through the roof. Like they weren't high enough already trying to get the mats and tipping someone to enchant my alt. I see the prices going sky high.
Overall I do see this to be a good thing as now we can finally make money from actually doing our profession. Don't get me wrong you can make money by doing it now but, We rely on tips alone.
I for one will not blow the price of enchants through the roof. It will be the price of mats and maybe a few more gold. Not a 100% profit like I see some people doing.
Edited, Aug 30th 2008 12:18pm by cronnie
Good because now I don't have to sit there trying to sell stuff in Org all night. It is so hard for an enchanter to make money actually DOING enchanting. We make all our money from selling mats. And it's not like we can go farm void crystals for enchants, or shards, or anything else for that matter (for high level enchants).
Bad because well, now the price of all enchants will go through the roof. Like they weren't high enough already trying to get the mats and tipping someone to enchant my alt. I see the prices going sky high.
Overall I do see this to be a good thing as now we can finally make money from actually doing our profession. Don't get me wrong you can make money by doing it now but, We rely on tips alone.
I for one will not blow the price of enchants through the roof. It will be the price of mats and maybe a few more gold. Not a 100% profit like I see some people doing.
Edited, Aug 30th 2008 12:18pm by cronnie
I cannot see it changing things that much . there will still be those power levelling enchanting and so selling cheaply or even doing them for free if mats are provided , what it may do is get more people having enchants , i know all my alts will be getting them where i keep forgetting now .
I think the first month the prices of mats and enchants will be be very weird as people learn what will sell as enchants and my guess the auction house will get flooded with the easy enchants , much as it is now for other trades some items will be undersold price-wise , i for one will be standing back watching how things go before i commit any enchants to auction.
I can say it is about time it was treated the same as other trades as i was getting rather bored with the trade chat asking for an enchanter then an enchanter listing all that he can do , it will be an interesting few weeks after we get it.
I think the first month the prices of mats and enchants will be be very weird as people learn what will sell as enchants and my guess the auction house will get flooded with the easy enchants , much as it is now for other trades some items will be undersold price-wise , i for one will be standing back watching how things go before i commit any enchants to auction.
I can say it is about time it was treated the same as other trades as i was getting rather bored with the trade chat asking for an enchanter then an enchanter listing all that he can do , it will be an interesting few weeks after we get it.
I wouldn't be all gung-ho about AH-ing enchants, because it's not going to work on ALL enchants. Blizzard has explicility said that end-game enchants (Mongoose, Executioner, and then the lvl 80 variants) will NOT be AH-able. Why? Because they like the "community" that meet-and-enchant transactions creates.
Linking your trade list, though, that's awesome.
Linking your trade list, though, that's awesome.
The way it is now you can't sell a enchant for what the mats are worth in many cases. When this change comes people are going to flood the Ah with enchants dropping the value even more.
I am up to 364 enchanting and I don't care if I ever get another recipe. Unless you have Mongoose or something really rare like that nobody will pay you anything for it. I try to offer a enchant for 15g and I get laughed at, yet I can sell those same mats for 45g on the AH.
So no.. I am not looking forward to it at all.
I am up to 364 enchanting and I don't care if I ever get another recipe. Unless you have Mongoose or something really rare like that nobody will pay you anything for it. I try to offer a enchant for 15g and I get laughed at, yet I can sell those same mats for 45g on the AH.
So no.. I am not looking forward to it at all.
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dbernor wrote:
We will be able to Enchant our Alts!
I know I stated it before but I really think Enchanting has gotten screwed by this for a long time.
I know I stated it before but I really think Enchanting has gotten screwed by this for a long time.
*nod* This will be awesome.
'Mind you my enchanting alt is still only level twenty, but in the long run, it will be awesome. :D
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To be honest, I have never seen the point of advertising enchants i can do, never really bothered trying to make gold from it, just took enchanting for my own character. I'll offer to do an enchant if someone is spamming trade and no one answers. I'll usually do the enchant for free if they have the mats, but most people just tip anyway, which i see as a bonus.
I like the fact that scrolls are being introduced, at least i'll be able to enchant my alts gear.....
I like the fact that scrolls are being introduced, at least i'll be able to enchant my alts gear.....
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I wonder what this is going to do to the cost of enchanting mats and supplies. If everyone no longer needs to buy the mats for themselves, are the prices going to go down because now they can just buy the enchants, or are prices going to go up as enchanters are not going to be putting mats on the ah, instead putting enchants?
Cost for supplies and mats will go up simply because people will start using them for alts instead of dumping extras onto the AH.
Prices will also increase due to some chanters that previously dumped mats onto the AH deciding to put up scrolls instead for more potential profit.
Additionally, since enchants will now have more profit potential, the pharmers will increase thier prices to not only gouge enchanters trying to put high end chants onto the AH, but also to get all of the new people that will be going into enchanting now that its more viable.
All said, I'll be rather surprised if the cost of chanting supplies goes down.
None-the-less, this still is not a bad thing - just being able to knock out scrolls for alts alone will make this a blessing, plus, the rarer chants will now at least be accessable to the general public, albeit, at a considerable price.
Enchants for alts - awesome.
Being able to mail someone an enchant they asked for instead of travelling to them or waiting for them to travel to me - fantastic.
Auctioning enchants - pffft.
I see one of two things happening: enchanters are going to go hog wild and start dumping their mats onto scrolls to sell on auction for a mediocre markup because really...who in their right mind is going to pay 50g for a scroll-based enchant when they could buy the mats and find an enchanter to do it face-to-face for 30g + tip? Basically, I expect the cost of the scrolls will be the equivalent of mats cost + scroll cost + "tip". It will be a convenience to people to buy the enchants straight off auction rather than try to find the all-elusive enchanter, but not so convenient that enough people are going to pay exorbitant prices for them in large quantities.
Or...enchanters are just going to enchant scrolls for their alts and ***** the AH because it's not worth the hassle. A lot of that will depend on exactly what is involved in producing the scrolls through Inscription.
Either way, my Hunter is sitting at 375 enchanting...has been for months. She'll probably be the last toon I level to 80 but guess who is going to be getting all of the trash greens accumulated while leveling my druid, rogue, and possibly DK through Northrend? And with the resulting mats I'll skill her enchanting to 450 without much difficulty, and the rest will be going on auction as they always have.
What would, however, make me giddy with nerd-gasm glee would be if they made it so that you could produce a disenchanting scroll. Maybe have it on a cooldown like a transmute, and require mats expensive enough that you'd only be using it to D/E level 80 epics but man...that would be sweet. The only thing worse than a sharded epic is a vendored epic. (Or a PvP epic but pffft...can't win 'em all).
Being able to mail someone an enchant they asked for instead of travelling to them or waiting for them to travel to me - fantastic.
Auctioning enchants - pffft.
I see one of two things happening: enchanters are going to go hog wild and start dumping their mats onto scrolls to sell on auction for a mediocre markup because really...who in their right mind is going to pay 50g for a scroll-based enchant when they could buy the mats and find an enchanter to do it face-to-face for 30g + tip? Basically, I expect the cost of the scrolls will be the equivalent of mats cost + scroll cost + "tip". It will be a convenience to people to buy the enchants straight off auction rather than try to find the all-elusive enchanter, but not so convenient that enough people are going to pay exorbitant prices for them in large quantities.
Or...enchanters are just going to enchant scrolls for their alts and ***** the AH because it's not worth the hassle. A lot of that will depend on exactly what is involved in producing the scrolls through Inscription.
Either way, my Hunter is sitting at 375 enchanting...has been for months. She'll probably be the last toon I level to 80 but guess who is going to be getting all of the trash greens accumulated while leveling my druid, rogue, and possibly DK through Northrend? And with the resulting mats I'll skill her enchanting to 450 without much difficulty, and the rest will be going on auction as they always have.
What would, however, make me giddy with nerd-gasm glee would be if they made it so that you could produce a disenchanting scroll. Maybe have it on a cooldown like a transmute, and require mats expensive enough that you'd only be using it to D/E level 80 epics but man...that would be sweet. The only thing worse than a sharded epic is a vendored epic. (Or a PvP epic but pffft...can't win 'em all).
Hmm, you know, you talking about leveling enchanting just made me think about something -
If the cost of the scrolls for enchants is reasonable AND if one can get skill-ups off of making a scroll, then scrolls might very well end up flooding the AH as skill up items for certain enchants just like certain BS, LW and Alch items flood the market.
After all, as a chanter who's grinding I can either sit there and blow several gold a pop skilling the same chant on the same item over and over again, or I can score a bunch of scrolls and then toss those same chants onto the AH to at least get back some of my gold.
So just like other skill-up items, these chant scrolls will definately be going for less then the value of the mats themselves, but at least we can earn some of our gold back.
Now some of you are going to look at this as a bad thing, but think about it - suddenly its become both cheap and easy to get certain chants for yourself and/or alts which means that people will be more prone to buy and use these scrolls on gear they normally wouldn't enchant due to knowing that they'll upgrade it in a level or so. As such, the scrolls shouldn't languish on the AH for long, meaning that enchanters will finally have thier tradeskill cheapened to a degree by being able to sell thier skill-up stuff too.
Of course, with our luck the enchanting scrolls will be so expensive that its not worth doing this and thus only the uber end enchants will be put onto the AH. >_<
If the cost of the scrolls for enchants is reasonable AND if one can get skill-ups off of making a scroll, then scrolls might very well end up flooding the AH as skill up items for certain enchants just like certain BS, LW and Alch items flood the market.
After all, as a chanter who's grinding I can either sit there and blow several gold a pop skilling the same chant on the same item over and over again, or I can score a bunch of scrolls and then toss those same chants onto the AH to at least get back some of my gold.
So just like other skill-up items, these chant scrolls will definately be going for less then the value of the mats themselves, but at least we can earn some of our gold back.
Now some of you are going to look at this as a bad thing, but think about it - suddenly its become both cheap and easy to get certain chants for yourself and/or alts which means that people will be more prone to buy and use these scrolls on gear they normally wouldn't enchant due to knowing that they'll upgrade it in a level or so. As such, the scrolls shouldn't languish on the AH for long, meaning that enchanters will finally have thier tradeskill cheapened to a degree by being able to sell thier skill-up stuff too.
Of course, with our luck the enchanting scrolls will be so expensive that its not worth doing this and thus only the uber end enchants will be put onto the AH. >_<
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We rely on tips alone.
Ehmmm...i don't think so, ever heard of disenchanting?
I like the idea to enchant some alts for yourself but most of all i'm curious how the changes will effect the prices of mats.
I think we will have a short prices boost as for many will start an alt with enchanting and many will try to sell "scrolls" while levelling. But after that i will see what prices will do..
Edited, Sep 8th 2008 7:26am by ChlKilt
I see this as a very positive change, I'm distinctly not a 'people person' ingame and I rarely ever sell my enchanting abilities. Extremely occasionally I'll respond to someone looking for an enchant (when they state that they provide mats and a tip), but mostly I enchant for guildies and their friends.
I'm planning to convert one trade skill on my first toon to 80 to inscription, so scroll prices should be a minimal factor for my enchants (I hope).
Benefits for me then are:
1. Not wasting all the mats levelling up. It sucks to enchant your bracers with AP/spell crit 30 times to learn the next level of decent enchants. This way I can either sell the scrlls on the AH to recoup some of the costs, or save them for alts and guildies to use. Either way, it's a gain for me.
2. I can enchant some of my own alts gear, which given the number of alts I have will be a really nice thing. No more waiting for a certain person to come online and bugging them to take time out of their plans to enchant my gear (or at least this will only be needed for 'special' enchants).
3. I don't normally sell enchanting mats on the AH either (seriously I horde everything 'just in case'), so any change in price on those is a moot point for me.
I'm planning to convert one trade skill on my first toon to 80 to inscription, so scroll prices should be a minimal factor for my enchants (I hope).
Benefits for me then are:
1. Not wasting all the mats levelling up. It sucks to enchant your bracers with AP/spell crit 30 times to learn the next level of decent enchants. This way I can either sell the scrlls on the AH to recoup some of the costs, or save them for alts and guildies to use. Either way, it's a gain for me.
2. I can enchant some of my own alts gear, which given the number of alts I have will be a really nice thing. No more waiting for a certain person to come online and bugging them to take time out of their plans to enchant my gear (or at least this will only be needed for 'special' enchants).
3. I don't normally sell enchanting mats on the AH either (seriously I horde everything 'just in case'), so any change in price on those is a moot point for me.
Mind you folks, I'm only hypothesizing that one can get skill ups off of making chanting scrolls - there's no garantee.
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I see this as a very positive change, I'm distinctly not a 'people person' ingame and I rarely ever sell my enchanting abilities. Extremely occasionally I'll respond to someone looking for an enchant (when they state that they provide mats and a tip), but mostly I enchant for guildies and their friends.
I'm planning to convert one trade skill on my first toon to 80 to inscription, so scroll prices should be a minimal factor for my enchants (I hope).
Benefits for me then are:
1. Not wasting all the mats levelling up. It sucks to enchant your bracers with AP/spell crit 30 times to learn the next level of decent enchants. This way I can either sell the scrlls on the AH to recoup some of the costs, or save them for alts and guildies to use. Either way, it's a gain for me.
2. I can enchant some of my own alts gear, which given the number of alts I have will be a really nice thing. No more waiting for a certain person to come online and bugging them to take time out of their plans to enchant my gear (or at least this will only be needed for 'special' enchants).
3. I don't normally sell enchanting mats on the AH either (seriously I horde everything 'just in case'), so any change in price on those is a moot point for me.
I'm planning to convert one trade skill on my first toon to 80 to inscription, so scroll prices should be a minimal factor for my enchants (I hope).
Benefits for me then are:
1. Not wasting all the mats levelling up. It sucks to enchant your bracers with AP/spell crit 30 times to learn the next level of decent enchants. This way I can either sell the scrlls on the AH to recoup some of the costs, or save them for alts and guildies to use. Either way, it's a gain for me.
2. I can enchant some of my own alts gear, which given the number of alts I have will be a really nice thing. No more waiting for a certain person to come online and bugging them to take time out of their plans to enchant my gear (or at least this will only be needed for 'special' enchants).
3. I don't normally sell enchanting mats on the AH either (seriously I horde everything 'just in case'), so any change in price on those is a moot point for me.
I've got a Rogue that just hit 51 tonight. No question she'll be at 70 come the expansion. Probably crap gear, but 70 nonetheless. Currently she has no primary professions. She has first Aid at 375 (has been there since level 44). Once she hits 60 for her epic land mount, I'm going to have her pick up Herbalism and jam every alt bag and bank tab with herbs. When Inscription goes live, my Rogue will become my new inscription alt and will likely be the second toon I take to 80 (after my druid).
You will most likely be able to cap at 450 on a level 70 toon. It won't be necessary to level beyond 70 to cap the skill. It will, however, most likely limit the access you have to the really sought after enchants (good luck getting Mongoose or Executioner at level 55).
That will have me with an enchanter, leatherworker, up-and-coming JC, and inscriber. I'll be well set for augments with everything from enchants to armor kits to gems to inscriptions, and that sounds like nothing less than win.
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