So last night i made yet another primal might; slowly working on making enough to for my tailor to make the spellstrike set. So I'm not specialized in any path: potions, elixir or trasmuting, but I "discovered" how to transmute primal water to shadow.
So my question is, do you really not need to be specialized to get discoveries, does it just make it easier to get the discoveries?
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You don't need it to discover anything. In fact, I don't know that there is any evidence at all saying that having it helps discoveries. Discoveries proc when you create something; It doesn't matter if you create one or more.
No, you don't need a specialization for discoveries. No it does not help your chance in discovering more things. Discoveries are random.
Also, it doesn't matter what you're creating, as long as it's an Outland pot/exilir/flask/transmute. You can discover a flask while doing a transmute, for example, or vice versa.
Now if only I could discover the Flask of Relentless Assault.
Now if only I could discover the Flask of Relentless Assault.
The specialization just gives you the chance of procing multiple items instead of the one you are supposed to get. This feels really good for expensive primals/flasks/potions.
However I have not yet seen a discovery outside of "it's own specialization". Post a screenshot, and I'll happily admit I'm wrong.
However I have not yet seen a discovery outside of "it's own specialization". Post a screenshot, and I'll happily admit I'm wrong.
I don't have a screenshot, but this topic just came up in guild chat the other night. A reliable trustworthy guildmate stated that she had discovered a flask while doing a transmute. I trust her.
Also, from wowwiki discovery page:
Also, from wowwiki discovery page:
wowwiki wrote:
It is believed by many alchemists that transmutations are discovered while transmuting and that new potions and flasks are discovered while making potions, flasks, or elixirs. However, there are several reports of discovering a transmutation recipe while making an elixir or potion, and vice versa. It may be the case that the item made doesn't affect what is discovered at all, or it may be that the chance of discovering a new transmutation is reduced when making a potion.
I got a couple of flask discoveries before I specialised in transmutes. Since then, despite making quite a lot of elixirs, I have only ever got transmute discoveries. I know the random number generator in the game is notoriously random, but I had begun to wonder if it was still possible to get a flask discovery after specialising transmutes. Thanks for the info - I hope the game puts out for me soon :)
Elune knows I get stuff all in the way of procs on my transmutes anyway :(
Elune knows I get stuff all in the way of procs on my transmutes anyway :(
So still no screenshots.
My experience is that you get discoveries far more often while transmuting than doing elixirs or potions. This might relate to the face that there is a cooldown on transmutes. And also based on my somewhat shaky argument that you only discover within the "dicipline" you perform. You can only do one transmute a day (well, 20 hours), but loads of potions or flasks. If my presumption of only discovering in the performed dicipline is correct, this will keep the timeline for discoveries more on par between the three branches.
On another note, I feel my transmuting has procced a lot lately. Having received two x2s and one x3 the last 7 days. (They were Primal Mights I needed for Spellstrike set :) ) With reference to the other thread recently about being unlucky and not receiving procs at all, I must say I've been on the other end of it.
My experience is that you get discoveries far more often while transmuting than doing elixirs or potions. This might relate to the face that there is a cooldown on transmutes. And also based on my somewhat shaky argument that you only discover within the "dicipline" you perform. You can only do one transmute a day (well, 20 hours), but loads of potions or flasks. If my presumption of only discovering in the performed dicipline is correct, this will keep the timeline for discoveries more on par between the three branches.
On another note, I feel my transmuting has procced a lot lately. Having received two x2s and one x3 the last 7 days. (They were Primal Mights I needed for Spellstrike set :) ) With reference to the other thread recently about being unlucky and not receiving procs at all, I must say I've been on the other end of it.
Quote:
My experience is....
...based on my somewhat shaky argument that you only discover within the "dicipline" you perform.
...If my presumption of only discovering in the performed dicipline is correct...
...I feel my transmuting has procced a lot lately.
...based on my somewhat shaky argument that you only discover within the "dicipline" you perform.
...If my presumption of only discovering in the performed dicipline is correct...
...I feel my transmuting has procced a lot lately.
Okay, so you won't believe other people that have firsthand experience and you won't believe the article at wowwiki. But, you will base your opinion on a "shaky argument", your presumptions and feelings.
So here, Google is your friend once again:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/valkyr/DISCOVERY.jpg
A flask discovered while making pots.
Edited, Aug 13th 2008 10:51am by azwing
Thank you for providing the precious screenshot I was asking for. Rate up for you.
As for the first hand experiences you mention, all I saw in this thread was second hand which led me to not be completely swayed. Even your reliable, trustworthy guildmate is a second hand source for you. Obviously I was wrong, and you were right. But until the screenshot was available there was no knowing for certain what was correct. My argument could never be proved right with a screenshot, only contradicted.
Azwing, I believe you.
As for the first hand experiences you mention, all I saw in this thread was second hand which led me to not be completely swayed. Even your reliable, trustworthy guildmate is a second hand source for you. Obviously I was wrong, and you were right. But until the screenshot was available there was no knowing for certain what was correct. My argument could never be proved right with a screenshot, only contradicted.
Azwing, I believe you.
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