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#1 Jun 08 2008 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
I decided to finally get through my fear of numbers and try to figure out how to us Enchantrix properly (as well as bottomscanner - thanks for the posted guide!)

Is there a post or a listing of how exactly to set up Enchantrix? I read the documentation on the official site as well as tried to browse through several postings in this forum and came up even more clueless. I would appreciate being pointed in the correct direction on how to set up and properly use Enchantrix as well as any advice about it.

As for BottomScanner - I tried to set it up per the poster's guide and was not getting any results at all. My question is: Do I need to have enchantrix enabled in order to get bottomscanner to work?

I would like to try to use both programs hand in hand to make money by disenchanting. If this helps, I am using the Auctioneer Classic suite with everything but Enchantrix Barker and Beancounter. I can't seem to figure out or grasp AucAdv just yet but if that is hindering my bottomscanner progress then I will try to switch.

Thanks again for any advice offered!
#2 Jun 08 2008 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
Drookie wrote:
I can't seem to figure out or grasp AucAdv just yet but if that is hindering my bottomscanner progress then I will try to switch.


Yes, you should switch to Auctioneer Advanced Suite. Since you aren't really working now, it's the perfect time to switch. The bottomscanner guide you referred to was referring to Auctioneer Advanced settings.

If it was me, I'd remove all the folders in addons that came from auctioneer classic. Then I would install auctioneer advanced suite. Reread the Bottom Scanner guide, set it up, and let us know how it works for you.

Note that the scan button has been replaced with a small play button on the top of the auction window. I would also issue the command "/enchantrix load always".

There really is no use in us trying to work through your problem on the older program.

Edited, Jun 8th 2008 5:47pm by dadanox
#3 Jun 08 2008 at 4:12 PM Rating: Decent
Thank you for getting back to me on this matter.

I went ahead and did more reading thru previous threads on this forum as well as the Auctioneer forum site. I realized I DID need Enchantrix enabled in order for BTM to work with the bid/buyout announce. I tested it out on 2 different enchanting characters on 2 different servers - with the default profiles set up for both on AC/Enx and BTM - I was able to start receiving bid/buyout pop ups and seemed to work like a charm!

I am still confused on some settings as I can't seem to grasp the concept just yet: What exactly is reserve? Also maximum price? I kinda get maximum - the max amount you want to spend on an item while scanning?

Under the Disenchanting part, I kinda understand the minimum profit but minimum discount I don't really get. I basically followed what was posted in the BTM guide kinda blindly - as I am still trying to understand.

I bit the bullet and got Auctioneer Advanced. I removed old auctioneer information before upgrading and went to town tweaking the hell out of it as seemed like too much info thrown at me. Took me forever to figure out what the color coding for prices stood for - after I already disabled that option as it was too distracting for me. I'm still trying to understand the different pricing listings for the time being.

I know this will take me a while to get the hang of everything but for my sanity, let me present two examples I am trying to set up Enx/BTM for:

Example 1:
Enchanting toon has level 369 Enchanting and is looking to DE items that give Vision Dust (and equalvient essence/shards)and above, mostly for reselling. Not interested in anything below items that DE into Soul/Strange dust for the time being till I can get the hang of it. (Bear in mind I am aware some ILevel items will still DE into the lower counterparts). What Level enchanting for Minimum should I set it at and as well as the profit region?

Example 2: (Diffrent server as the above one)
I have a lvl 39 toon with currently 145 Enchanting. I am looking to level my enchanting as I level and as I scan the AH for cheapies to DE which I will in turn use to level Enchanting then sell the rest that I don't need and move up in levels. I do not currently have alot of gold for this toon and was hoping to expand my income by DEing/leveling as I go along. This is the highest level toon I have on the server so the option to farm instances isn't really ideal, other than farming DM/WC and maybe SFK. I also supplement my income with mining.
What would be the ideal settings of BTM for this toon?

Sorry for the wall of text and thanks in advance for the help!
#4 Jun 08 2008 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
Glad to hear you got it working so far. I think you might have better luck when looking for certain enchanting mats by scanning items and not using Bottom scanner, but I am not well versed using the program.

Vision dust drops from items 36-45, and armor has the highest chance of dropping 1-2 dusts. Go To main window at AH, set search for armor and range 36-45, rarity to uncommon and search. The new Auctioneer tells you the percentage of the normal price, so if you want to make a possible 50% look for those first.

Your note was not a wall of text. That is when the poster uses punctuation like $100 bills, not often.
#5 Jun 08 2008 at 5:57 PM Rating: Excellent
Drookie wrote:
What exactly is reserve?

The minimum amount of gold you want to have left on your toon. If you set it at 10g, you will stop bidding or buying things when you have depleted your funds down to that level.

Drookie wrote:
Also maximum price? I kinda get maximum - the max amount you want to spend on an item while scanning?

Exactly. If I never want to spend more than 20g on any item for disenchant, I can set my maximum at that.

Drookie wrote:
Under the Disenchanting part, I kinda understand the minimum profit but minimum discount I don't really get.

Minimum profit is a set number. For example, if you want 50s profit or forget it. Minimum discount is a percentage. I want anything where the price is a 50% discount of what the mats should be worth. By adjusting these, you can taylor the type of buy you want to make. Having a 50% discount and 1s minimum profit will by any level item with a 50% discount. Making it 10% discount with a 2g minimum profit would cut out lower level items, but pick up things that might sell for 18g, but be worth 20g (lower percent discount, but 2g profit).

It's up to you how you set these numbers. To start out, I'd just go with 50% discount and 1s minimum. You will get a lot of everything. If you want to cut out the lower, less profitable items, then raise the minimum profit to 75s for example. It's up to you to find the combination of these 2 that get you what you are after.

Keeping a healthy discount helps to insulate you from changes in the market.

Drookie wrote:
Example 1:
Enchanting toon has level 369 Enchanting and is looking to DE items that give Vision Dust (and equalvient essence/shards)and above, mostly for reselling. Not interested in anything below items that DE into Soul/Strange dust for the time being till I can get the hang of it. (Bear in mind I am aware some ILevel items will still DE into the lower counterparts). What Level enchanting for Minimum should I set it at and as well as the profit region?

If I specifically wanted to target this and above, I wouldn't do a full AH scan with bottom scanner running. Instead I'd start bottom scanner, then do a search of armor then weapons, for level 35-70 uncommon items. I'd next page through all the results of the search and bottom scanner would pick items from each page as it came up.

Another option to cut out the lower stuff is to just raise the minimum profit to say 1g and see how that went.

You may be able to change your min and max enchanting level to focus on a particular range. I have never done it this way, and you would just have to try it.

Drookie wrote:
Example 2: (Diffrent server as the above one)
I have a lvl 39 toon with currently 145 Enchanting. I am looking to level my enchanting as I level and as I scan the AH for cheapies to DE which I will in turn use to level Enchanting then sell the rest that I don't need and move up in levels. I do not currently have alot of gold for this toon and was hoping to expand my income by DEing/leveling as I go along. This is the highest level toon I have on the server so the option to farm instances isn't really ideal, other than farming DM/WC and maybe SFK. I also supplement my income with mining.
What would be the ideal settings of BTM for this toon?

50% minimum discount and 1s minimum profit to start. Once you get going with it, you can make adjustments as you gain experience.

Edited, Jun 8th 2008 10:32pm by dadanox
#6 Jun 08 2008 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
Wow, thank you very much dadanox for taking the time to explain and clarify my questions. It makes alot more sense to me now and I feel a bit more confident. Thanks also, alcattle for your suggestions. If I could rate both of you up, I would!!

Since I just installed AA tonight, should I wait and scan for a few days to build up average pricing before going on a bid/buyout spree?
#7 Jun 09 2008 at 1:07 AM Rating: Good
Drookie wrote:
Since I just installed AA tonight, should I wait and scan for a few days to build up average pricing before going on a bid/buyout spree?


Scan for a week to get normal values in your database, then get started bidding and buying.

I use bottom scanner twice a day. What I do is to open the AH window, select Trade Goods, Enchanting, and hit the search button. This brings back about 40 pages of mats people are selling. I then press next repeatedly to go through all the pages (you don't have to scroll the pages, just touch upon each). This loads auctioneer advanced with all the current mats prices for all the auctions people have up. It's much quicker than doing a full AH scan to load this information.

Now that you have loaded the mats prices, click the Btmscan tab. You should have configured it based on the Bottom Scanner guide linked earlier. At the top of the Bottom Scanner window click the Play arrow. This will start Bottom Scanner checking the AH for the newest auctions every 20 seconds. It will also check any auctions you browse (scanning with auctioneer is considered browsing). Bottom Scanner never finishes. It is simply turned on or off by you.

Go back to the AH browse window and click the auctioneer scan button on the top. Buy everything. Once the auctioneer scan is done, close the AH window and go to your mailbox. After you have opened all your mail, close the mailbox, wait 10 seconds, and open it again. You will need to do this to load up the next group of items. The mailbox wont hold everything in one pass. You are on your way.

I actually tried doing 2 buy sessions this morning. I set my maximum price at 20g. Then I did my scan for 50% discount at 1s min profit. After buying all those, I went back and scanned with 20% discount and 2g minimum profit. It got an entire new list of higher level items to buy. I think I'll try doing both for a while and see how it goes.

When you start bidding on hundreds of auctions, you will want to get a mailbox addon to open all mail. It's normal to be outbid alot. You can also enable automation on the enchantrix options window to have a prompt to de things going in your bags.

Have fun and welcome to disenchanting.

Edited, Jun 10th 2008 6:26am by dadanox
#8 Jun 10 2008 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
Great tips for Auctioneering - follow those and you'll be on your way.

I am a bit confused about the Enchantrix Barker tool. I'm trying to level my chanter and would like to start using it. But it always picks the same half dozen chants to bark (using the default settings). Even if I crank Randomize up to 80+% it just changes the order of the same chants. I have dozens of enchants I can do (lvl 222, have bought almost all available).

What am I missing here? I figured it would allow me to vary what I bark. How does it choose which chants to bark?

Sorry to post basic questions like this, but i've looked at a couple dozen pages via google looking for docs on it, and I can't seem to find any.

It would be great, btw, if it would allow you to prioritize/filter based on whether or not a chant will level you, as well as on profit. Or to find the cheapest chants that will help you level.

Thanks in advance!
#9 Jun 11 2008 at 1:53 AM Rating: Good
I don't use the Barker so can't help with that. I'm a disenchanter and don't desire to sell enchants.

I think I'd just make a macro to advertise what I want.

Edited, Jun 12th 2008 9:28pm by dadanox
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