Edited. I'll be polite, even if I feel like I'm being attacked.
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You're putting numbers in that are dependent on server economies, %chances of discoveries you have no idea about, and using a blatantly over exaggerated number to make a point.
Yes, I'm using numbers on my server. If you'd like to get me the numbers on his server, I'll be able to tell him which potions to make with ease. What numbers should I use? I don't have access to his server without making an account there. I can only tell you what I know.
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Even though I was over exaggerating, I still stand by what I said. Even if I knew a flask had a very high profit margin, I wouldn't make pots at a loss to get it. Also, I'm pretty sure you missed me writing how a SPECIFIC flask is not worth trying to discover. In all your false calculations and writing, it was your reading comprehension that failed you.
I didn't mention a specific flask. As I outlined, if you're making 500% profit on something, you ought to be willing to take a loss on getting there.
False calculations? I gave you the numbers and did the calculations. Care to tell me where this is false? You seem to be able to say it is false without giving an example as to where/why/how you know its false. Generally a bad idea if you can't come up with, you know, proof.
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Excuse me for being so very terse, but I found absolutely nothing in your post that related to what I said, or which was at all clever. You ignored important information to make yourself seem right, and basically got your panties all up in a knot because I said your "guide" was all about playing the markets.
I'm sorry. You're wrong. Deal with it. :)
Hell, let's use real numbers on my server right now.
Dreaming Glory: 2 Stack at 12G buyout (24G)
Felweed: 1 stack at 9G (9G)
Imbued Vials: 5 for 1G 70S (6.8G) (Revered at Ironforge)
Total Spent: 39.8G
That makes 20 Super Mana Potions.
The going rate for one is: 2G 62S 50C
Ergo, the rate for 20 is
52.5G Let's not forget about the AH fee. In order to place 4 stacks of 5, I would need to spend an extra 1.5G.
total spent: 39.8 + 1.5 or 41.3G
Total cash that I'm going to get back (assuming they sell): 52.5G
Total profit: 11.2G
Now, can I buy all the Dreaming glory and all the Felweed in stock and relist it at a higher price to make 11.2G?
There are currently 45 stacks of Dreaming Glory below the average value.I would have to buy them all (or a good portion of them anyway), and relist them at a higher price and keep in mind that I'm paying a decent amount to relist them. Possible? Maybe. Maybe, maybe. Weekend is coming up, Dreaming glory is a fairly quick seller.
Let's do the same with Felweed. There are 16 stacks below average price. However, there are also 15 stacks below 110% of average value. I'd need to buy them all in order to make a profit OR hope that the 15 stacks above average value sell before someone comes along and puts up more below average value. Chances are this isn't going to happen.
Given all this, its far better to make 20 Super Mana Potions (using alchemy) and turn a profit much quicker than simply buying out the raw materials and relisting them.
That's how you make a profit using Alchemy. By all means, show me any error I've made here. Get someone on Dragonmaw to tell you that these numbers are correct. Verify them.
I simply cannot make this any more simple. I'm using Alchemy to make a profit far quicker than I could by buying the raw materials and relisting them. That is what you wanted me to show, is it not?
As for not taking a loss to get a recipe that makes 500% profit, that was your number. Run the numbers as you see fit using the number that you gave. I cannot imagine NOT spending a vast sum of cash to get that recipe.
Yes, I don't know the exact number of potions you have to make to get a discovery. Except for Blizzard, no one does. However, there is enough people out there saying it took them X number of potions to discover something. I think 400 is pretty fair. Use whatever number you like, though. If you're making a profit on Super Mana Potions to begin with, there isn't much reason not to try for a discovery. If you're losing a little money on making them (which is entirely server dependent), then its probably still to your advantage to try for a discovery. If you're losing a LOT of cash, then try another recipe.
Finally, I'm just trying to help someone with a question. There is zero ZERO reason to act like an ***. If you disagree, fine. I've made this a step by step process to show that you can make money of alchemy. If you want deny it and call it playing the market, then by all means do so. Hell, call the sky green, and me the Queen of Spain while you're at it.
Edited, Apr 25th 2008 12:23am by Caia