Hide taken from under me....how?Follow

lag maybe?

I thought about lag too, but from lv 10-70 that 1/2 second delay after I loot has always been there. It still could have been...but my server/internet connection was doing really good all night.

I should have just walked away.

I just can't understand why they can do that lol. I mean, after you kill a random mob, someone else can't just walk up and loot it (unless he's in your party). Same should apply to skinning/mining (rock elements), Herb (Plant mobs). That should be greyed out to other people.

In other words if you don't kill it, you can't get it. I admit in Nagrand when people are slaughtering the hunter quest talbuk mobs, clefthoof, etc... I'm stalking around them. If it's a Hordie, I'll ask if he minds if I skin them. If he says 'go for it', I hit the mob with a few arrows to help him kill faster: win/win. If he says no, I just move one... kill my own. Finally if it's an Alliance, since they can't understand me... I'll stand around watching them. If they run off leaving it there, then I take it. After that I throw a few arrows at the mob to help them kill faster: win:win

I guess changing it would tick people off, not changing will continue to tick people off (when things like this come up). Lose/lose situation :/

Oh well... guess I needed to vent a bit. It was pretty shady what he did.


Edited, Feb 22nd 2008 2:20pm by GYFFORD

They could just time adjust it.

I mean a dead mob lies on the ground for what? 30 seconds? 1 minute? Whatever the time limit for dead mobs still visible have the 1st half of the time only accessible for looting and skinning/herbalizing/minning(yes herbalizing is not a word, but I don't care and you know what I mean) by the person and/or group that killed him, then the second half of the time it is free to be looted and skinned/mined/herbed by anyone.

This way people just running by can't steal your skin, at the same time if someone is killing all mobs in the area only looting specific items, some random Joe could come along and loot the vendor trash the killer of the mob decided not to loot and skin any mobs. It gives priority to the killer but still allows others to eventually skin if the killer is not a skinner.

It's win/win the way I see it.

Doesn't appear to be that way. A while back I killed a mob and maybe half a second after I looted it another horde (!) came running up on his mount and skinned it out from under me. I didn't skin, but I still thought that was pretty rude :/

Loot goes to the tagger. Skin/leather/scales goes to anyone who's the quickest. Unfortunately, the act of looting, makes you slower to actually skin it and the non-looter has a good chance to steal it.

Just to check; isn't 2.4 the last big patch before WotLK? Or is it just the last content-adding patch?

Not a problem on a PVP server >.>

Just kill the hunter.

To help minimize people taking your skins, I suggest the following:

Have autoloot off. Open up the loot window but do NOT take the drop until after you see the other toon try to start skinning. Now take the drop loot and start your own skinning. His skin will fail and you will get the skin.

It just goes to show what fools are about with the ninja attitude , if i am on my skinners i will skin others kills but only if i am sure they are not going to skin them , and yes i will help them kill even if they are the opposing side .

Blizzard do frown on the ninja attitude but there are always ways to get away from fools like that , anything from a quick log out or waiting for them to either move on or start killing themselves , to see them squeal when you try and skin their kill is funny as they always seem to run off

I don't recall this being discussed as a major issue back when I had skinning on my Hunter (months ago) so I'm assuming it's a new trend (and mostly on PvE realms...on a PvP realm, you'd just pound them (or they'd pound you) and eventually it would get old and they'd move along.)

If it keeps happening, I can see Blizzard stepping in and changing the mechanics of the system...maybe. One thing I've noticed about Blizzard is that they seem to try really, really hard to not penalize the "victim" in an effort to maintain fair play. Maybe it could be a 5 second window after a corpse is looted where only the person flagged as "owning" the corpse would be able to skin/herb it...after that it would be fair game to any passerby. You have to know the asshats stealing other people's skins/herbs like that won't bat an eyelash if Blizzard suddenly changes it so that the days of following a miner/BS around skinning his kills is no longer an option because the mechanics had to be changed to suppress the behaviors of idiots.

Gotta be frustrating though...very frustrating. If it was a PvE realm, I would have reported him. If it was a PvP realm...well, find a PvP solution because that's what a GM would tell you to do.

Sadly, this has been an issue since the game first started. People don’t discuss it very often because it falls into the dead horse category and people have come to expect such behavior even if they don’t like it. Of course, someone eventually gets to the point where they need to vent and we get another thread about it. I don’t have a problem with that. I get just as frustrated as everyone else and its nice to be able to vent every now and then.

Of late I’ve had more problems with people trying to cut in on the mineral node I’ve started mining than with my skinning. I’ll be happily mining away when someone run up or flies in and tries to jump in and take the rest of it. Normally what I do is leave the loot window up until they go away. Every once in a while I get someone who won’t leave so I’ll start doing the dishes or watch some TV. I’m flexible and it amuses me to see how long they’ll stick around. But sometimes that isn’t an option.

My latest character was leveling his mining to 300 so he could start mining in Outland. I was killing and skinning yeti in the Winterspring cave and mining when the nodes popped up. I got one hit on a rich thorium node when a level 70 horde character ran up and took it from me. As my pet was fighting for his life while I mined, I didn’t really have the option sit and wait. I got my point in mining, but I still felt it was very rude.

I was starting to get upset when I had a bit of an epiphany. Instead of getting upset, I felt sorry for that player. Here’s a person who feels that steeling a few bits of thorium ore in a video game is more important than his honor or self respect. That is a truly sad thing. I feel that in an environment such as WoW where there are little or no consequences to our actions, we are more truly who we really are than when we don our masks to interact with other people in the real world. So, in my opinion, those players who have no regard for others when they play WoW are fundamentally jerks in the real world. So while we may lose out on some skins or ore, we are at least better people then they are and that’s far more important.

The trouble is, if you've got the loot window sitting open with the loot waiting for you to take it, the game still interprets it as the loot being on the corpse. Loot on corpse means it can't be skinned. If it can't be skinned, the guy waiting to skin the mob you killed won't be able to start the skinning process.

We're talking about a very short delay, and if I were the kind of asshat who would skin a mob someone else killed without waiting to see if they were a skinner themselves, I would position myself by the corpse and spam click my mouse pointer over it. Fastest clicker wins.

You wouldn't need a long delay. Even restricting it so that a corpse can only be skinned by the person tagged with loot privileges on the mob for 5 seconds after the corpse becomes able to be skinned (or mined, or harvested for herbs) would be more than enough. Note that this window would have to begin after the normal loot was removed from the corpse. In other words, you could kill (for example) 5 mobs without looting them at all, then go back around, loot them, and for 5 seconds after you loot each one you're the only person able to skin it.

Anything longer than 5-10 seconds would take away from one of the more "generous" aspects of the game. There were times as a skinner where I would come across piles of corpses scattered all over from someone who was grinding mobs but not interested in skinning them. It always seemed like a nice bonus. Put a long delay on being able to skin them and it would lose some of its flare.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 5:12pm by AureliusSir