It's probably been covered before, but I couldn't find anything like this on the first few pages, so here goes:
My main is a lvl 60 hunter w/ LW/skinning. Initially the idea was that I could make some decent gear for myself along the way. In practice that hasn't turned out as well since my LW skill tends to lag behind my lvl, meaning for example, that my lvl 40 hunter could only make lvl 30-ish gear.
Now, having made it past 40 when I can now wear mail, I find that LW is even more limited. My primary frustration? It seems that just about all the craftable mail items have +Stam/+Int, but no +AGI! I realize that Stam and Int are important, but from everything I've seen, Agi is even more critical for hunters. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but I don't think so. It doesn't seem like BS is any better since most of the high end stuff there is all plate (and the mail items have the same issues - all Stam/Int, no Agi)
Maybe I should just can the LW and pick up mining, but there's part of me that really enjoys the crafting aspect. The only problem there is that most of the stuff I make doesn't seem to have much of a market, so I end up either selling it off to a vendor after losing several AH deposits trying to auction it or getting it DE'd and selling the resulting enchanting mats (also frquently at a lose tking into account the deposits I've already paid).
Oh well, I guess the system isn't perfect. I just wanted to vent a little. Feel free to add your own trade skill rants.
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I tend to agree. I stuck with LW all the way to 375, and while there were a few very good sets (fel scale and felstalker) I realized that the Ebon epic set is actually worse than the felstalker in terms of AGI.
If I knew then what I know now, I would have dropped LW for something else long ago. As a hunter, I'm skeptical of herbalism and mining since they require tracking which means I'm not tracking mobs. But, alchemy is very useful to all classes and you get some great AGI boosting pots, so herbalism might be considered. But I'd suggest enchanting, though. It's a great money maker, you'll have some great buffs for yourself and guildies, you can DE BoP items, plus you'll be very popular in raids to DE all the no-need items.
If I knew then what I know now, I would have dropped LW for something else long ago. As a hunter, I'm skeptical of herbalism and mining since they require tracking which means I'm not tracking mobs. But, alchemy is very useful to all classes and you get some great AGI boosting pots, so herbalism might be considered. But I'd suggest enchanting, though. It's a great money maker, you'll have some great buffs for yourself and guildies, you can DE BoP items, plus you'll be very popular in raids to DE all the no-need items.
This trend is shared by several of the crafting professions, in my experience. It takes a while to level them and you get the patterns and mats for gear that is appropriate to levels you've already passed. I found this especially true with BS, which was a lot harder to keep up with. This effect is even more pronounced now with the increased leveling speeds. It's now much easier to outpace the profession levels as you level more quickly.
As for leatherworking, there are some high end craftables that are potentially useful. The drums and high end armor kits are very useful and raiders will want the armor kits, in particular. As for stuff you can use at level 70, I think LW is similar to other crafting profs in that there is a limited number of useful goods. But some of them are very nice. I choose to stick with LW because of a couple pieces that I knew I would get a lot of mileage out of at 70.
There will be better mail stuff coming along for you...a lot of the early patterns are Shammy gear.
As for leatherworking, there are some high end craftables that are potentially useful. The drums and high end armor kits are very useful and raiders will want the armor kits, in particular. As for stuff you can use at level 70, I think LW is similar to other crafting profs in that there is a limited number of useful goods. But some of them are very nice. I choose to stick with LW because of a couple pieces that I knew I would get a lot of mileage out of at 70.
There will be better mail stuff coming along for you...a lot of the early patterns are Shammy gear.
Leatherworking is fine for hunters. You'll want to go dragonscale leatherworking for the Netherscale Armor Set and nethercobra armor kit.
If you want to grumble about the lack of pay back for a crafting profession in general, get in line. That problem is shared by most professions. You could just get two gathering professions and grind instances for the BOP drops.
Edited, Jan 14th 2008 12:38pm by ItsaGaAs
If you want to grumble about the lack of pay back for a crafting profession in general, get in line. That problem is shared by most professions. You could just get two gathering professions and grind instances for the BOP drops.
Edited, Jan 14th 2008 12:38pm by ItsaGaAs
ItsaGaAs wrote:
Leatherworking is fine for hunters. You'll want to go dragonscale leatherworking for the Netherscale Armor Set and nethercobra armor kit.
Nethercobra Leg Armor (and Nethercleft Leg Armor as well) don't require any specialization. They're reputation patterns.
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I am having the same problem. Even trying to make armor for my lower levels is very frustrating. I did Tribal thinking I could sell some of the higher end stuff and to my surprise it is bound on making it. Guess I should have done the Dragonscale specialization instead. To bad we can't go back and just redo the specialization and not the whole skill.
I wish there were sets you could make for the lower levels that actually had stats on them for each different class, but I always seemed to get better from drops. So it almost seems that its not worth the trouble of even doing the leather working trade skill if you can't make your own armor from beginning to end. I made the choice of not doing the big raids so I have armor that is dropped or made, but sure would be nice to make my own cool armor. I have a level 70 Hunter with leather working skill of over 300. Doing the addon armor helps a lot and is about all that I use anymore. So yeah they could make just a few changes so I could continue doing my trade skill for a purpose.
Edited, Jan 22nd 2008 10:35am by Xilynn
I wish there were sets you could make for the lower levels that actually had stats on them for each different class, but I always seemed to get better from drops. So it almost seems that its not worth the trouble of even doing the leather working trade skill if you can't make your own armor from beginning to end. I made the choice of not doing the big raids so I have armor that is dropped or made, but sure would be nice to make my own cool armor. I have a level 70 Hunter with leather working skill of over 300. Doing the addon armor helps a lot and is about all that I use anymore. So yeah they could make just a few changes so I could continue doing my trade skill for a purpose.
Edited, Jan 22nd 2008 10:35am by Xilynn
Blizzard changed things so you can drop a specialization and take the other. See 'Switching a specialization' near the bottom of the linked page below.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Leatherworking
http://www.wowwiki.com/Leatherworking
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Posted: Jan 22 2008 at 10:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i heard that LW(if you stick with it til the end) pays very well due to some epic hunter chest so if neone has the link to that thanks and just keep to LW i say because in the end it could make u some cash and some easy epic at 70
Truth is, the only profession that truly has any use from lvl 1-69 would be enchanting. For every other crafting profession, the only point in them is to wait till 70 and powerlevel it for those few 375 items that are really useful. enchanting is slightly useful all the way till 70, if only for disenchanting, which nets a decent sum.
iceravenVI wrote:
Truth is, the only profession that truly has any use from lvl 1-69 would be enchanting. For every other crafting profession, the only point in them is to wait till 70 and powerlevel it for those few 375 items that are really useful. enchanting is slightly useful all the way till 70, if only for disenchanting, which nets a decent sum.
Alchemy.
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iceravenVI wrote:
Truth is, the only profession that truly has any use from lvl 1-69 would be enchanting. For every other crafting profession, the only point in them is to wait till 70 and powerlevel it for those few 375 items that are really useful. enchanting is slightly useful all the way till 70, if only for disenchanting, which nets a decent sum.
With leatherworking, I used armor patches from 1 - 70 that I crafted. I also made myself several pieces of gear, such as the Druid tribal helm, Helm of Fire, and Wicked Leather Gloves, two of which I used when I was a 49 twink for months. I also crafted nearly every piece of gear I wore from 1 - 30, such as the blue quality recipe bracer quest reward from Wailing Caverns.
On my 48 shadow priest, I wear all kinds of gear I have crafted such as the Dreamweave set.
On my warrior, I leveled BS up with him and I used sharpening stones and other assorted objects such as Mithril Spurs and Shield Spikes from 1 - 70.
You're wrong. If you have the gold to buy the materials to keep your professions on pace with your characters level, there is a literal plethora of items to make and wear / use.
Leatherworking has been useful for my hunter, but the epic craftables for hunters in LW (dragonscale and general) are worthless, especially considering the effort needed to farm the primals for them.
I tend to complain about hunter gear and it's agility a little bit anyway, but the ebon netherscale set is on a whole other level. >.<
I tend to complain about hunter gear and it's agility a little bit anyway, but the ebon netherscale set is on a whole other level. >.<
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This is probably a really stupid question but...has LW specialization been scrapped?? It's just that I started learning the Dragonscale patterns, but have also learnt a couple of the Chimeric parrterns (tribal) & one of the Volcanic patterns (elemental). Checked the WoW site which implies the specialization is in place. Should I just shut up and enjoy the variety?
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I find that with the quicker leveling, I am just leveling WAY faster than my professions. My lil' 28 druid would be lucky to make lvl 15 stuff for himself right now... I wish they would buff the skillups as well as the xp...
the worst thing on any trade is the grinding , so leatherworking is just as bad , i am at that interesting stage where i need heavy knothide ,which seems to be a created only item and thats without the primals needed , wow just think i still get scraps when i skin so 5 scraps to 1 knothide and 5 knothide to make 1 heavy knothide , it is all grinding i am doing to level up and thats killing highish level beasts , the plus point is the bags , quivers , ammo pouches and the armour patches can sell well as some of the armour for reasonable prices , i find it useful to do leatherworking as i have a rogue and a druid as alts , i tend to do few quests as between each quest i am farming along the way , but at level 70 the quests do not matter much unless they give me the faction rep i am after , but then again i still make around 50g+ a day with a few hours play
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Truth is, the only profession that truly has any use from lvl 1-69 would be enchanting. For every other crafting profession, the only point in them is to wait till 70 and powerlevel it for those few 375 items that are really useful. enchanting is slightly useful all the way till 70, if only for disenchanting, which nets a decent sum.
Engineering.
Although not particularly useful for some classes, bombs and such can be wonderful. They've kept me alive many a time.
incubya - One of the not too long ago patches changed several of the previously specialty leatherworking to general. That's what is allowing you to learn the older patterns you could not learn before.
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This is probably a really stupid question but...has LW specialization been scrapped?? It's just that I started learning the Dragonscale patterns, but have also learnt a couple of the Chimeric parrterns (tribal) & one of the Volcanic patterns (elemental). Checked the WoW site which implies the specialization is in place. Should I just shut up and enjoy the variety?
All of the patterns that were part of a specialization prior to TBC have been moved to the generalized section of the skill. So all of the pre-TBC specialized LW patterns are now available to all.
Edit: Oh, and they also added new patterns to the specializations, so there's still some lure to choosing a specialization.
Edited, Feb 4th 2008 9:05am by Snardo
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the only suggestion I can give you is wait until you hit 68-70. This is the point that most prof. really turn on. My main has alch 375/herb 375, and can really turn a profit. Granted this is a bit different as you always have to replace your potions, elixirs, and transmutes but the general idea is the same.
the way I attack it is I gather whatever herbs I pass by and sell them or I use my herb. to go after primal life. I use the gold I make there to buy the herbs I need and grind out a ton of elixirs at one time. To gather all the needed herbs for specific elixirs would consume too much time to make it worthwhile. The key is to remember that time is money, you have to decide if it's more cost effective to waste time gathering specific mats as compaired to buying them.
the way I attack it is I gather whatever herbs I pass by and sell them or I use my herb. to go after primal life. I use the gold I make there to buy the herbs I need and grind out a ton of elixirs at one time. To gather all the needed herbs for specific elixirs would consume too much time to make it worthwhile. The key is to remember that time is money, you have to decide if it's more cost effective to waste time gathering specific mats as compaired to buying them.
There were two reasons I took up LW on my rogue when I started him:
1) The experience of leveling a profession in an MMO is just as important to my enjoyment as leveling my char to cap.
2) The Primal Intent set made me all tingly.
So as I leveled, I kept my LW up and usually made my own gear from 10-58. I went elemental at the first chance available.
Fast forward to level 62. I enter Zangarmarsh for the first time and check out the Cenarion quartermaster. Honored rep would get me a chest piece (level 62 req) that is nearly as good as the Primalstrike chest I was leveling LW for. Plus, the ability to socket this rep chest made it superior in my opinion. So I grind the rep (easy as pie) and get that chest.
Fast forward to 70... I make my bracers, but the chest and belt require nether. You have to run heroics and roll against every other crafter for nether. I like to PvP a lot though. So by the time I had enough nether to make my chest and belt, I'd alreadyy replaced them long before. So my original intention of making my 70 epics was completely passed over. Luckily, LW is still worth it for me. Riding crops make some nice cash and leg armor is always in high demand, plus new 60s just eat up those quivers/ammo pouches. Plus, on my server, skinning+LW makes 3-4 times the money that skinning alone would thanks to the demand for Heavy Knothide. Plus, it is my duty in guild runs to beat my drums.
To be honet though, after 60, most of my LW profession went to gearing the hunters in my guild. Rarely did I make any gear for myself.
1) The experience of leveling a profession in an MMO is just as important to my enjoyment as leveling my char to cap.
2) The Primal Intent set made me all tingly.
So as I leveled, I kept my LW up and usually made my own gear from 10-58. I went elemental at the first chance available.
Fast forward to level 62. I enter Zangarmarsh for the first time and check out the Cenarion quartermaster. Honored rep would get me a chest piece (level 62 req) that is nearly as good as the Primalstrike chest I was leveling LW for. Plus, the ability to socket this rep chest made it superior in my opinion. So I grind the rep (easy as pie) and get that chest.
Fast forward to 70... I make my bracers, but the chest and belt require nether. You have to run heroics and roll against every other crafter for nether. I like to PvP a lot though. So by the time I had enough nether to make my chest and belt, I'd alreadyy replaced them long before. So my original intention of making my 70 epics was completely passed over. Luckily, LW is still worth it for me. Riding crops make some nice cash and leg armor is always in high demand, plus new 60s just eat up those quivers/ammo pouches. Plus, on my server, skinning+LW makes 3-4 times the money that skinning alone would thanks to the demand for Heavy Knothide. Plus, it is my duty in guild runs to beat my drums.
To be honet though, after 60, most of my LW profession went to gearing the hunters in my guild. Rarely did I make any gear for myself.
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