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I am sorry but i do not know where you get that it is a cheap profession even if farming the AH for materials.

Enchanting is THE most expensive Profession in the game. If you are only looking to make gold and make it right away, go Mining/Herbalism/Leatherworking combo's.

With people overcharging for Rare Recipes/Mats (sometimes in the 1000g marker on recipes; at least on my servers) and the fact that level 300 Enchant recipes use a HUGE amount of Brilliants and Eternals, as well as Illusion Dust, which is insanely expensive. Not to mention the cost of Large Prismatics or Greater Planar Essences (most of the decent high level recipes require 8 Prismatics and 8 Planar and some of the good ones require Primal X or Primal Might. Enchanting is way expensive.

Most Enchanters will enchant your stuff for free and ask for a donation, but by no means is it a 'money making or even a cheap profession'. Stop being a post ***** and trying to say it is when you clearly know NOTHING about it. I have almost EVERY rare recipe in the game, and have spent many hours and hours farming rep and my recipes to keep costs down but on average have probably still dumped a couple thousand gold into keeping enchanting alive.

If you have a lot of gold and a lot of time to kill with farming rare recipes/rep then this is a great profession to allow you to get the best out of your gear. But people posting that this is a cheap profession, when they themselves are doing such things as 'Herbalism and Alchemy' do NOT know what they are talking about. Please get off your soap box.

You sir are the one Providing disinformation....the reason that Experienced players INSIST that it is EXPENSIVE is because they are indeed EXPERIENCED ENCHANTERS..........


So Bottom Line, don't ever sell any of your greens, only sell the high end blues; DE the rest and it shouldn't cost you 'as much' to level enchanting, but it will still cost you...

Edited, Aug 29th 2007 12:55pm by Runical

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\_________person who does not know (and will never know) how to make money enchanting.


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\_________person who needs to learn how to read.


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\________AHA! This explains it all! Person is not a disenchanter. Person buys from disenchanters, making them wealthy and making himself poor simultaneously.


Edited, Aug 30th 2007 12:25am by ohmikeghod

oh my god!!

If you put it that way then every proff is expensive. But i can tell you if i didn't took up enchanting i would by poor instead of rich.

Enchanting is really and I say again the easiest money maker in game!!

Anyway if you dont agreed then you dont know how to use it correctly try getting some guides or something but pls stop flame people who do know how to make money with it...

ohmikeghod.. why dont they understand?

c) Have a disenchanting alt at 300 (no higher) that FINANCES the money loser. The alt doesn't need to be higher than L35, either.
d) Disenchant until you can afford the formulas and reagents (don't worry about the dusts, essences, and crystals - they will be there).

Wrong. 2000G is only equal to the ammount of effort put into acquiring it. Now, you can make 2000G in 10 hours of play (1 hour per day over a 10-day period), or 40 hours of farming primals. The second is obviously more intensive than the first. Which 2000G would you prefer? Since you have no idea on how to make money, but have a good idea on how to spend it, I suspect that you will opt for the wrong one.



You don't seem to get it, do you? The mats you use enchanting are a drop in the bucket compared to the mats you create. Even if you use your own mats for enchanting your own stuff, you'll end up making a profit on the mats you DO NOT use. Oh, woe is you! instead of making 200G/day, you only make 160G per day. QQ more, because you don't have the mental wherewithal to use your profession to make money while leveling your skill.


Yes, you are. And you continue to do so every time you mistakenly state that it's an expensive profession. Because you aren't able to do it, no one can - is that it?


If you could make money just for owning a house, would it still be expensive? You're not only using the wrong analogy, you're still crying about YOUR (certainly not my) inability to make money from the most lucrative profession in the game.


Edited, Aug 31st 2007 12:01am by ohmikeghod

Wow...are you ever off base and reaching.

I don't expect you to have followed my postings here on Alla, but as I've already said, for a few months I was one of the wealthiest players on my server (epic flyers being the great equalizer and all). On my very first ever WoW toon, I had the money for my first mount before I was level 30. Epic land mount before I hit 50. Normal flying mount before I started xping in Outland at 58. I had purchased all of the pricy pre-BC formulas long before I could use them (Crusader, Unholy, Lifestealing, Fiery, etc.) At the same time as I was getting to Outland, the enchanting reagents market went to absolute sh*t on my realm for well over 3 weeks. I'm talking Dream Dust 3-4g/stack. Arcane Dust 10-13g/stack. Consequently, I stop D/Eing for profit. If there was any gold to be made, it wasn't worth the effort. Since my realm was recently opened for transfers the market has stabilized, but I already have my epic flyer and no pressing need for gold for anything else.

There is simply no way you can say I don't know how to make money, and since I've responded to a great many, "how do u mak goldz in WoW" threads with specific advice to curtail spending, you can't say that that's an issue.

More to the point, where have I said I've bought materials for enchanting? I haven't. I never have. I never will. All of the materials I use come from cheap greens or drops.

The point...again...is that nobody in their right mind is going to say 2000g is not a lot of gold. I haven't said it's an insurmountable sum to obtain. I haven't said it's too much. I've simply said it's a lot of gold. If you add up the current market value of all of the materials I've used skilling up enchanting, it's probably well over 5000g, and most of that was from 300-369 (which I just hit last night).




Before I proceed, it's time for you to put your money where your mouth is.

What is your enchanting skill?

If it's not 375, you're not qualified to comment any further.

Stop.

Read.

Comprehend.

Have I complained that I'm broke? Have I complained that I can't afford to skill enchanting anymore?

No. I've simply stated that the auction value of reagents used to skill enchanting from 300-375 is very, very significant, which defeats the argument that enchanting is not expensive to level.



Again, you need to start using facts in your arguments instead of false inferrences. I didn't say I can't do it. I'm currently 6 points from cap and doing just fine, tyvm. For the last time:

The auction value of reagents to skill from 300-375 is very, very signficant.

That is the statement I'm making. Not, "QQ I can't afford it."



L2read. I used to have a lot of respect for your posts, but lately any time someone asks about the cost to level enchanting it's simply an excuse for you to ignore what they say and run off on a rant trying to prove an obsolete point.

Just stop.


Edited, Aug 31st 2007 7:35am by AureliusSir

I'm going to say this again, since you seem to be struggling with it.

I do not, have not, nor will I ever buy mats from auction.

It's a concept called opportunity cost.

If my only option to skill up is to spem enchants on my own gear (or throw away gear), the materials I am using could have otherwise be sold on auction.

Are you still with me?

That means, if the auction value of materials to skill from 360 -> 375 is 2000g, then that's 2000g that vaporizes in the skillup process before it ever reaches my gold reserves.

Still with me?

You keep talking like there's a stream of people wanting high-end enchants that run 100-300g+ in terms of mat cost. I doesn't friggin' matter if I provide the mats and charge them cost or send them to the auction to buy the mats, some of which might be ones I have listed.

Not nearly enough people on my realm are interested enough in high end enchants for me to skill up enchanting within any reasonable time frame.

I'm not kidding when I say I'm lucky to find one person every 3-4 weeks who is willing to provide mats or pay mat cost for an enchant that will give me a skillup. Everyone wants enchants that require high end shards, essences, and primals for, but only if they can get a steal on it.

When the least expensive enchants I have to skill up take as many materials as they do, pretty much every single TBC enchanting material I get goes into the bank for skillups. That leaves the sale of pre-BC materials covering the cost of the TBC greens I'm disenchanting for those mats. There are no TBC mats left over for sale.

Are you still with me?

People in raiding guilds have guild enchanters. They don't spam trade looking for things like Spell Strike, Spellpower, Arcane/Shadow Resistance, etc. +30 Intellect is a good one, but nobody wants to pay 80-90g for it. If I had +35 Agility to 2h weapon, that one might sell from time to time, but the materials for it on my realm would cost someone well upwards of 300g.

Do you understand what I'm talking about when I say, "cost"? Either someone else is buying mats or paying me for mats I have on hand. That is a cost to them. It can be a very significant cost, which is why it's so incredibly rare that anyone wants to pay for them. If it's not someone else willing to pay for them, it's me using them on throw-away gear (because none of the "affordable" 360 skill enchants I have are something a Hunter would use).

Here's the kicker; I've already repeated it here more than once, but you appear to have missed it each time:

If nobody else is willing to buy materials for the enchants, whether it be directly from me or the ones myself (or others) have listed on auction, there are no skillups to be had. None. Not without sacrificing those materials on throw away gear. This isn't a matter of me giving the mats away to people. It's not a matter of me buying materials from auction to spam on my own stuff for skillups. Right now on my realm, it's D/E TBC greens for the cheapest mats I can get and burn them for skillup, or I get no skillups.

Have I lost you yet?

That means all the time I'm putting into cruising the auction for cheap TBC greens isn't going to profit. It's not going to my gold reserves. It's going into thin air, and despite being cheap, those TBC greens aren't free.

And at a cost of about 3-5g each, with usually 5-10 required to get enough mats for a single enchant that would offer me skillups, that means every other non-TBC item I disenchant has the profit from the sale of the mats going directly into the TBC greens that I'm D/Eing for skillup materials.

Look at it this way:

If everything I D/E was going on auction for sale, yes, I would be making a significant amount of gold. But it's not going on auction for sale to line my pockets. The pre-TBC mats go on auction and the proceeds buy the TBC greens I need for mats to skill up on my own stuff because nobody else is willing to pay for the materials for the enchants that would give me skillups.

Your premise is that I should be having my enchanting customers pay for the mats. Because of the cost of materials and the fact that the people most interested in tweaking have their own in-guild enchanters, there are no customers.

And please, for the love of all friggin' things holy, get it through your head:

I do not buy mats.

Yeesh.

Edited, Sep 1st 2007 12:53am by AureliusSir

Wow, how the thread strayed from "What is Enchanting?"... It seems like everyone agrees on opportunity costs and the value of materials. I think the main difference of opinion has to do with the idea of "leveling enchanting". I, like most people I assume, "powerlevel" enchanting. I do not spam trade for all of the various reasons. I think that is what Aureliusir is talking about. For that to occur, you indeed are "burning" mats on repeat enchantments in short order. Ohmikeghod is saying there is no cost if you list all mats and then do enchants for free with mats (my interpretation). With that understanding, both are correct in their arguments. Aureliusir has a large opportunity cost in Gold (burning own mats) and Ohmikeghod has a large opportunity cost in Time (waiting for people to want an enchant that will give a skillup). I would say it will take Mike weeks to level to 375, where Aureliusir can get there in hours. Both are correct and wrong depending on your view of opportunity costs.

Yep, and who knows what might change? Before BC, with the announcement of Jewelcrafting and Prospecting, it might have been reasonable to think level 35 would be the cap to prospect anything in the game. Wrong. Blizz said you have to be level 315 (so a level 50 toon to reach 300+ skill) to prospect adamantite.

So who knows, maybe we might need level 395 enchanting to disenchant the high end WoTLK greens. You're probably right, 350 enchanting skill and level 50 alts, but I'm just saying we don't know for sure. Blizz could decide theres too many DE alts, and don't forget those we can get a cheap new level 50-60 alt in the death knight characters. Blizz could say "level 65 requirement for 376-450 enchanting, and to DE high value mats you need 390 enchanting".

Whats funny is prospecting and jewelcrafting work the same as disenchanting and enchanting. Would you say jewelcrafting is a cheap profession? Done properly, you literally don't need mining to level it. Its the same auction house patience technique as leveling enchanting, buy cheap ore, prospect for many gems, use gems to level JC. I'm sure we'd all agree JC is a very expensive profession to level. Sure you can MAKE tons of gold, I've heard of jewelcrafters with 40,000 gold. But its still expensive to level, just like enchanting.

Edited, Sep 1st 2007 5:46pm by mikelolol

Edited, Sep 1st 2007 5:47pm by mikelolol

I can't count the times I've had similar encounters. I was spamming fiery the other day (free with their mats) and had the following conversation:

Him: How much?
Me: Free, if you supply the mats
Him: I only have three gold
Me: Then you have to go to the AH and see if you can buy them for that amount - I don't carry mats with me.
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.(about 5 minutes later)
Him: I was at the AH and the materials are too expensive. Will you take a payment plan?
Me: Sure! As long as you supply the mats, you can spread free over as many months as you want.
Him: [Expletive] you [expletive] [expletive] with pigs!

i have enchanting and alchamy most of my friends say im stupid and ill never have money. but i am lvl 52 my alch is at 300 my ench is 225 havent goten around to going to uld to upgrade but i have plenty of g this is my first toon so i cant compare to nething. but it my opinune its easy to upgrade enchanting cheap if you know how to. just use dust to get skill and sell shards and esence. o and grind on humanoids to get lots of green jrops. its easy

Edited, Sep 5th 2007 9:57pm by gesho

ohmikeghod the Venerable You Sir, are an Idiot.

This post asked if Enchanting was expensive to level, that means not stopping until 375 and you are the pimp enchanter on the server.

To get the best enchants and ALL of the enchants on the server.

He didn't ask about making gold, you pathetic F*cKw@d.

He asked if it was Expensive to level....Are you hearing it yet? Let me repeat it, he asked if it was expensive to level?

You clearly only leveled your 'alts' enchanting to 300 so please to STFU and post some useful information for once.....go find a post on 'How to Farm Gold, the Chinese way!'

Yes we all know how to make gold and farm gold and farm Primals and blah blah blah but why would you sit in front of a computer doing the same thing over and over??? For 40 Hours??? When there are tons of ways to make the game better and to make this said gold, and have fun at the same time. Get a life already, and move out of your moms house. Stupid Troll... Back Under the bridge i say! Begone with you!