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#1 Jul 17 2007 at 10:14 PM Rating: Decent
I just recently had 6 Imbued Netherweave Bags made up by someone I found through a query in the trade channel. I provided all of the mats in raw form, meaning this person had to convert the Netherweave -> Bolts and then make the Imbued Netherweave, and then craft the bags. I gave them a 50g tip for their efforts and their response was rather...blah.

I wasn't exactly expecting accolades, but 50g seemed very reasonable if not generous. If I was off the mark and the "going rate" for that kind of thing is generally higher, I'd like to know in the future so that I'm compensating people fairly.

For you Outlands tailors out there, would 50g for 6 bags with mats provided seem a reasonable tip?
#2 Jul 17 2007 at 10:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I would have been more than happy with that tip. Most people barely tip anything. However, if I did get a tip that big all I would say is a simple "thank you" just like I say for any other tip. Maybe that person is like me, or maybe they weren't having a very good day so didn't feel up to saying a big thank you. I wouldn't worry about it. Tip what you think is appropriate, if you get what you need out of the exchange and no one is angry then it doesn't really matter :)
#3 Jul 18 2007 at 12:29 AM Rating: Good
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In my mind that is a huge tip. The recipe is from a vendor and it takes maybe 15 seconds to make a bag. Earning 50g in a couple of minutes work sounds very, very generous to me. I think you were just dealing with a bit of a knob-end.
#4 Jul 18 2007 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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Imbued Netherweave (IN) bags take a lot more than 15 seconds to make. I don't know the exact time, but each bag needs 4 bolts of IN. To make bolts of IN, you need 3 bolts of Netherweave. A bolt of Netherweave takes 6 Netherweave cloth.

So, for each bag, the tailor is crafting 288 Netherweave cloth into 12 Netherweave bolts, then 4 IN bolts, then finally craft the IN bag. This definitely takes several minutes to do.

Also, factor in the amount of time to transfer your Netherweave cloth to the tailor. It takes 15 stacks of Netherweave cloth and you can only trade 6 at a time. For 6 bags, Aurelius needed to trade 1,728 Netherweave (and the 48 Arcane Dust, 6 Greater Planar, and 12 Netherweb Silk) to the tailor.

I'm guessing it took upwards of 45 minutes to craft those 6 bags for Aurelius. Am I close?

I think the 50G tip is reasonable. But, I can also see how a tailor wouldn't be jumping up and down ecstatic over it.
#5 Jul 18 2007 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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Nah it would take 10-15 minutes max. I'd be really appreciative of that tip.
#6 Jul 18 2007 at 10:00 AM Rating: Excellent
azwing wrote:
Imbued Netherweave (IN) bags take a lot more than 15 seconds to make. I don't know the exact time, but each bag needs 4 bolts of IN. To make bolts of IN, you need 3 bolts of Netherweave. A bolt of Netherweave takes 6 Netherweave cloth.

So, for each bag, the tailor is crafting 288 Netherweave cloth into 12 Netherweave bolts, then 4 IN bolts, then finally craft the IN bag. This definitely takes several minutes to do.

Also, factor in the amount of time to transfer your Netherweave cloth to the tailor. It takes 15 stacks of Netherweave cloth and you can only trade 6 at a time. For 6 bags, Aurelius needed to trade 1,728 Netherweave (and the 48 Arcane Dust, 6 Greater Planar, and 12 Netherweb Silk) to the tailor.

I'm guessing it took upwards of 45 minutes to craft those 6 bags for Aurelius. Am I close?

I think the 50G tip is reasonable. But, I can also see how a tailor wouldn't be jumping up and down ecstatic over it.


I would say it was in the neighborhood of 20 minutes or so. I traded him the cloth/essences/dust/webs from my alt in Ironforge, then he hearthed to Shattrath where I met him with my main while he made up the Imbued Netherweave at the mana loom. He was on his way to Ironforge when I tracked him down, so the only travel involved specifically for the crafting was the hearth to Shattrath and then a portal back to Ironforge. It was still by no means a quick process, that's for sure. 50g for 20 minutes worth of crafting on a level 56 toon seemed reasonable, but his response left me just wanting to double check.
#7 Jul 18 2007 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd have been fine with that tip. If I don't have the time to craft for someone, I explain that or I don't offer my services at all. 50g is fair.
#8 Jul 18 2007 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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50G tip seams very good to me. on my server i just bought 10 Imbued Netherweave Bags for 50G using there mats. right now the going rate is 5-6G per bag on my server so 50G for 6 bags is nice.
#9 Jul 18 2007 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
That's a wonderful tip. 20 minutes for 50g, that's not too bad imo. I was not happy this morning when I did some enchants for a guy. He got fort to boots, healing to gloves, and healing to bracer. All TBC enchants. He tipped me total 6g. I wasted at least 10 minutes stand in Shattrath wait for him to come the first time then again for the 2nd time. So ya 20 minutes for 50g is definitely better. I rarely get good tips if I don't tell them the expected tip in advance.

Here's my tipping avg - TBC enchant, rep based - 5g; TBC world drop enchant - 7g; KZ enchant 25g. Old world rep based 3-5g, other old world enchant 1-3g
#10 Jul 18 2007 at 5:54 PM Rating: Decent
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EyeOfTheWolf wrote:
50G tip seams very good to me. on my server i just bought 10 Imbued Netherweave Bags for 50G using there mats. right now the going rate is 5-6G per bag on my server so 50G for 6 bags is nice.


Assuming similar prices as quoted here, there are at least 2 ways to look at what OP wrote.

The first way, the tailor could have made these bags at his leisure and sold them for 50g anytime he wanted to at the AH.

The second way, if the bags were worth 50g, then tipping him the amount he would have gotten anyway if he had sold them, probably didnt' make him happy.

Now why would this matter much, since an enchanter, eg, doesn't get tipped the 200-300g cost of mats. He only gets 5-10g if that, for doing an enchant when the other person provides mats.

I think the big difference is, the enchanter may do 1 enchant for about 20 seconds, or several for a few minutes. But nothing like going from town to town to meet several characters, building up the mats from basic to imbued netherweave, and then all that time and effort, getting 50g.

sure 50g for 20 mins is great. but not in the eyes of someone who went to two different towns and basically had to start from beginning to make the bags in question.

#11 Jul 18 2007 at 10:55 PM Rating: Decent
bluegayle wrote:
EyeOfTheWolf wrote:
50G tip seams very good to me. on my server i just bought 10 Imbued Netherweave Bags for 50G using there mats. right now the going rate is 5-6G per bag on my server so 50G for 6 bags is nice.


Assuming similar prices as quoted here, there are at least 2 ways to look at what OP wrote.

The first way, the tailor could have made these bags at his leisure and sold them for 50g anytime he wanted to at the AH.


Imbued Netherweave Bags sell for 45-50g each on my server because there simply aren't enough people accumulating Netherweave/Greater Planar Essences in sufficient quantity to drop it as low as some other servers might find reasonable. That is changing (a stack of Netherweave Cloth is 3-4g now, whereas it was 5-6g a couple of weeks ago). Material cost for a single Imbued Netherweave Bag is in the 40g range. Because the bags are so expensive to make, they aren't seen on auction that often and my guess is that they don't sell very well at 45g each.
#12 Jul 19 2007 at 4:30 AM Rating: Decent
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azwing wrote:
Imbued Netherweave (IN) bags take a lot more than 15 seconds to make. I don't know the exact time, but each bag needs 4 bolts of IN. To make bolts of IN, you need 3 bolts of Netherweave. A bolt of Netherweave takes 6 Netherweave cloth.

So, for each bag, the tailor is crafting 288 Netherweave cloth into 12 Netherweave bolts, then 4 IN bolts, then finally craft the IN bag. This definitely takes several minutes to do.

Also, factor in the amount of time to transfer your Netherweave cloth to the tailor. It takes 15 stacks of Netherweave cloth and you can only trade 6 at a time. For 6 bags, Aurelius needed to trade 1,728 Netherweave (and the 48 Arcane Dust, 6 Greater Planar, and 12 Netherweb Silk) to the tailor.


I think you've added an extra factor of 4 in somewhere.

Each bag requires 1 greater planar essence, 2 netherweb spider silk, 2 arcane dust and 72 netherweave cloth. The OP wanted 6 bags made, so that's 432 netherweave cloth, 6 GP essence, 12 netherweb silk and 12 arcane dust.

azwing wrote:

I'm guessing it took upwards of 45 minutes to craft those 6 bags for Aurelius. Am I close?

I think the 50G tip is reasonable. But, I can also see how a tailor wouldn't be jumping up and down ecstatic over it.


Agreed. 50g sounds a lot for a tip but, as you say, it's a lot of work.
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