I've looked through this sites, as well as thottnot's, information on Tailoring and Jewelcrafting and both seem to have a lot of stuff that seems useful. I have yet to commit to any tradeskill on my Warlock so I figured I would ask people who actually got up high enough to know.
I'm the sort of player who almost never buys anything from the AH (I'm cheap, lol) unless it's materials for my own crafting, since I love to craft. So what I was wondering is, as you level and at end-game, which tradeskill gives you the most personal benefit? Jewelcrafting or Tailoring? I'll be running Affliction/Demonology if that makes any difference.
[edit] And yes, I did post this in the Warlock forum also. Different people browse different forums though and I'm trying to get different feedback :)
Edited, May 3rd 2007 10:34pm by codexia
[edit2] Just in case people wonder where my indecission comes from, i'll put that up also so that you have more info to work with. The problem I'm having is that Tailoring seems to make, in the end, superior items to Jewelcrafting. But I almost always find armor while I'm questing or grinding, but almost never do I find jewelry, so being able to make that would be very useful. And of course the jewelry you can make in the end, as well as the socket gems, seems to make that worth it as well.
That's basicaly where my problem is.
Edited, May 3rd 2007 10:55pm by codexia
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I am a tailor right now and I can definitely tell u that tailoring can make some of the top cloth gear so far(check Frozen shadoweave+spellstrike/battlecast sets for your lock)plus some patches from Aldor and Scryer.It can also be very profitable by selling or trading primal mooncloth/spellcloth/shadowcloth.On my server they sell for average 90 gold.
You can find the netherweave net very usefull too against all mellee classes and mobs.
J/c can bring you much more money though imho...
You mine/prospecting the gems yourself and then sell them for a high amount of gold.You can also make some trinkets and rings extremely usefull(check Khorium inferno Band for fire dmg)
But for j/c you need to raise your skill in mining so it will take more time than tailoring.
You can ofc take both if you can afford to buy the ores ;)
You can find the netherweave net very usefull too against all mellee classes and mobs.
J/c can bring you much more money though imho...
You mine/prospecting the gems yourself and then sell them for a high amount of gold.You can also make some trinkets and rings extremely usefull(check Khorium inferno Band for fire dmg)
But for j/c you need to raise your skill in mining so it will take more time than tailoring.
You can ofc take both if you can afford to buy the ores ;)
The only issue I see is that you might run into problems getting the mats for jewelcrafting. Tailoring of course you can get drops from mobs. However, ore doesn't drop that often.
You have to mine ore. So unless you have a guildie or buddy that can supply you with the ore for trade - it might be tough. If not you will have to hit the AH and then people like me will get rich(just kidding).
In defense my Shaman is a tailor. I made him a tailor because I came by the mats so easily. I make armor for guildies and friends and AH the rest. The Azure Silk stuff(lvl 22-27 toon) is easy selling for 70s to 1g in my AH.
You might want to look into a gathering prof just to help make money on the side. Unless, you have saved up(you said you were cheap...lol) and have money to spare.
And yes, Tailoring for you would be a very good choice!!
You have to mine ore. So unless you have a guildie or buddy that can supply you with the ore for trade - it might be tough. If not you will have to hit the AH and then people like me will get rich(just kidding).
In defense my Shaman is a tailor. I made him a tailor because I came by the mats so easily. I make armor for guildies and friends and AH the rest. The Azure Silk stuff(lvl 22-27 toon) is easy selling for 70s to 1g in my AH.
You might want to look into a gathering prof just to help make money on the side. Unless, you have saved up(you said you were cheap...lol) and have money to spare.
And yes, Tailoring for you would be a very good choice!!
As far as farming, I fully plan on farming most of the cloth/most of the ore and gems on my own, I like to wander around and do it myself so mats will not generally be a huge problem.
I'm not after money making jobs either. I don't care if I lose some money or break even, all I care about is which will make leveling easier for me. Both of the craftskills in question seem to have a lot of items (they would both fill about 50% of my equip slots) so picking by numbers is out. They both seem to have very powerful items as they level, so simply picking based on who is stronger seems to be out also.
The big one that I always seem to come back to is, by the end-game, which profession will still be useful to me? I've never been that far along in the game, so I don't know how all the math and numbers add up. I know there are epic tailoring recipes as well as epic jewelcrafting recipes. Which are more useful end-game? Which will more than likely not get replaced?
My biggest dislike of crafting is when I go through all the work to max it out and realize there isn't even a single item as payoff (like the crafting used to be...there was NO reason to take any craft at all other than engineering or alchemy).
I'm not after money making jobs either. I don't care if I lose some money or break even, all I care about is which will make leveling easier for me. Both of the craftskills in question seem to have a lot of items (they would both fill about 50% of my equip slots) so picking by numbers is out. They both seem to have very powerful items as they level, so simply picking based on who is stronger seems to be out also.
The big one that I always seem to come back to is, by the end-game, which profession will still be useful to me? I've never been that far along in the game, so I don't know how all the math and numbers add up. I know there are epic tailoring recipes as well as epic jewelcrafting recipes. Which are more useful end-game? Which will more than likely not get replaced?
My biggest dislike of crafting is when I go through all the work to max it out and realize there isn't even a single item as payoff (like the crafting used to be...there was NO reason to take any craft at all other than engineering or alchemy).
You may say you don’t care about losing money but there’s a chance you will, more so with jewelcrafting than tailoring. You shouldn’t consider two manufacturing crafts at the same time unless you have a large bank roll to fund it. Not really all that large but still several hundred gold for various recipes (that you may want, or that may be easier to craft for skillups), mats that you don’t want to go farm because while you have cloth, you may not have potions, heart of the wild, mojo, etc.
Your statements do sound like this is your first char. Again, if that is the case, I would caution against manufacturing skills. As many learned later, having money to deck out your char, even a little bit, may make leveling up even more enjoyable. That money may come from a higher level char or from gathering tradeskills, but if your first char doesn’t have much money, you will always feel the pinch.
Ok, so my cautions aside, I have to say that without mining or some way to get your ore/gems without going to the AH for *everything*, your jewelcraft will not advance very far. There were a few good caster jewelry on the way up to 300 but not nearly as much as what you could wear from tailoring cloth items. That’s not to say you can’t wear the non-caster jewelry.
Both can benefit you and guildmates/friends from 300-375.
Have you looked into enchanting? Tailoring and enchanting make good partner skills. JC and mining also a good together.
I do have another character actually, a Leatherworking/Skinner who brings in plenty of money selling Deviate Scale Belts (I farm all the mats myself so it's almost 100% profit minus the cost of thread), so keeping money supplied isn't that hard to do.
And I do agree, after re-looking over the tradeskills, tailoring is definately the way to go for leveling. But what I do need to ask (sorry if I ask a lot of questions, I really want to not have to go 300+ with a craft only to abandon it to get 375 of another), but which do you think will serve you better in the end of the game? Both of them seem fun, it's just so hard to decide since both have so many uses.
Will Tailoring or Jewelcrafting have fewer items that simply get thrown away due to other things? I don't raid or pvp very much, so getting the Tier whatever gear more than likely won't be happening. The PvP gear (at least battlegrounds type) might fall into my lap eventually, but I doubt arena gear will.
I hope that helps a bit more :P
And I do agree, after re-looking over the tradeskills, tailoring is definately the way to go for leveling. But what I do need to ask (sorry if I ask a lot of questions, I really want to not have to go 300+ with a craft only to abandon it to get 375 of another), but which do you think will serve you better in the end of the game? Both of them seem fun, it's just so hard to decide since both have so many uses.
Will Tailoring or Jewelcrafting have fewer items that simply get thrown away due to other things? I don't raid or pvp very much, so getting the Tier whatever gear more than likely won't be happening. The PvP gear (at least battlegrounds type) might fall into my lap eventually, but I doubt arena gear will.
I hope that helps a bit more :P
Another warlock posted the same question. I'll just point you to that thread.
Thanks for the link, but that thread is just a bit to general compared to this one. This one is only looking at the positive aspects of two specific crafting abilities. The other poster just wants to know what to do :P
I'm looking for more specifics than that, lol. I don't want to be told what to play, I want to be told the best points of tailoring/jewelcrafting so I can pick for myself. Both are viable, the problem is deciding which fits my style better. The biggest point there is what I was asking about before.
With some pvp gear, and almost no raid/arena gear, which tradeskill do you think will still be providing me with viable equips and items at 375? If they both will be, tell me why you think the one you like is better :)
Edited, May 5th 2007 3:27am by codexia
I'm looking for more specifics than that, lol. I don't want to be told what to play, I want to be told the best points of tailoring/jewelcrafting so I can pick for myself. Both are viable, the problem is deciding which fits my style better. The biggest point there is what I was asking about before.
With some pvp gear, and almost no raid/arena gear, which tradeskill do you think will still be providing me with viable equips and items at 375? If they both will be, tell me why you think the one you like is better :)
Edited, May 5th 2007 3:27am by codexia
codexia wrote:
With some pvp gear, and almost no raid/arena gear, which tradeskill do you think will still be providing me with viable equips and items at 375? If they both will be, tell me why you think the one you like is better :)
If I had to make the choice, it would be tailoring. Those BoP items are really good.
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Personal opinion comming from a Jewelcrafter: Tailoring has some very very nice end game gear, a lot of people will tell you it's pretty much irreplaccable. However since you've said that you craft for enjoyment as well as use (as do I) my question would be: once you've farmed all the hard to get materials, gotten the recipies, and made that ultimate set of BoP gear.... what do you do then?
For me as someone who enjoys the crafting aspect of crafting, as well as the utility and profit aspects, JC seems to be the more interesting craft. As well as the trinket aspect (all of which are BoP) for something that gives you a unique edge, there are lots of high level, in demand recipies that can keep yuou occupied long after you've gotten yourself to the cap.
Also, as far as JC being a money sink, in comparison to 2 gathering professions, absoliutely it is... but I've never found it to be all that bad in comparison to other crafting professions certainly I usually have MORE money than my friends with other professions not less, and it definitely does not compare as a money sink to engineering or blacksmithing unless you buy all your materials on the AH.
Edited, May 5th 2007 12:19pm by Kainthe
For me as someone who enjoys the crafting aspect of crafting, as well as the utility and profit aspects, JC seems to be the more interesting craft. As well as the trinket aspect (all of which are BoP) for something that gives you a unique edge, there are lots of high level, in demand recipies that can keep yuou occupied long after you've gotten yourself to the cap.
Also, as far as JC being a money sink, in comparison to 2 gathering professions, absoliutely it is... but I've never found it to be all that bad in comparison to other crafting professions certainly I usually have MORE money than my friends with other professions not less, and it definitely does not compare as a money sink to engineering or blacksmithing unless you buy all your materials on the AH.
Edited, May 5th 2007 12:19pm by Kainthe
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edit, double post
Edited, May 5th 2007 12:19pm by Kainthe
Edited, May 5th 2007 12:19pm by Kainthe
Yea, you asked the same thing I did. What will I do at 375 for each craft?
Bags and patches were for tailoring for the most part, and gems were what I came up with for jewelcrafting. It's hard to figure out which items are going to be staying useful at 70, especialy since this site (and thottbot) apparently are missing some of the highest recipes :(
Wow, didn't notice these before. Not sure Jewelcrafting can compete with being able to use the Frozen Shadoweave gear. It doesn't look like anything in Jewelcrafting can compete with those. But...how quickly do they become obsolete in outlands? If your mainly just questing/grinding? It always comes back to my fear of wasting my time with my tradeskill and finding out it ends up useless =/ Jewelcrafting seems more useful endgame just for a moneymaking opportunity with gemstones, but tailoring definately seems to be better for leveling...
And I know i'm not all that worried about money, so...maybe tailoring really is the better way to go? I have no idea *sighs*
Maybe i'll just make another character to do my mining for me >> so my lock can have both. That would only be a huge pain in the butt...
Edited, May 6th 2007 5:05am by codexia
Bags and patches were for tailoring for the most part, and gems were what I came up with for jewelcrafting. It's hard to figure out which items are going to be staying useful at 70, especialy since this site (and thottbot) apparently are missing some of the highest recipes :(
Wow, didn't notice these before. Not sure Jewelcrafting can compete with being able to use the Frozen Shadoweave gear. It doesn't look like anything in Jewelcrafting can compete with those. But...how quickly do they become obsolete in outlands? If your mainly just questing/grinding? It always comes back to my fear of wasting my time with my tradeskill and finding out it ends up useless =/ Jewelcrafting seems more useful endgame just for a moneymaking opportunity with gemstones, but tailoring definately seems to be better for leveling...
And I know i'm not all that worried about money, so...maybe tailoring really is the better way to go? I have no idea *sighs*
Maybe i'll just make another character to do my mining for me >> so my lock can have both. That would only be a huge pain in the butt...
Edited, May 6th 2007 5:05am by codexia
Since it's sliding down the page, I guess i'll toss a bump in here before I go to bed. I'll be back tomorrow nice and late thanks to work >.>;; Hopefully by then I can figure this out...
Tailoring at 375. Your profit will come from bags. farm the recipes for the larger-than-16 bags and larger-than-20 specialty bags. I don't know of a single warlock that doesn't want 28 slot soul bag (recipe purchased in Shattrath). Your BoE crafted wearables are not as good as tier armor or PvP rewards, though. Spellthread should also sell well, considering that there are no enchantements for caster's pants.
Thanks for that advice. I'm still undecided (i'm undecisive T_T) but...dunno. I do definately agree about the BoE's though. Gemstones sell for a fortune, but so do bags and things like Spellstrike. Without a raid guild though, how will I get all the nethers I need to make anything? I'm generally alone or with one other person =/
The one thing though is that, unless I'm wrong, Frozen Shadoweave is the best armor in the game for an affliction lock right now isn't it?
The one thing though is that, unless I'm wrong, Frozen Shadoweave is the best armor in the game for an affliction lock right now isn't it?
if you dont join those raiding guilds and raid with them, just be satisfied to have some recipes and not others.
my tailor from a long time ago was able to get Thorium Brotherhood rep up enough to get the cloth recipes that needed lava core, etc. But I never expected to go to MC, I was just satisfied that if someone needed that recipe, especially other friends who did go to MC, I could make it for them.
also eventually, when money was no object, i might pick up the mats from the AH and make myself one.
so if you think that way, you can still have some great recipes, just knowing that you may not be making them regularly because of not having mats handy. also, you never know if you'll join such a guild as that. some people know from early on that they will want to raid in end-game content. others change along the way..and finally, others are like you right now. they enjoy the game but don't have the interest or time to do it often enough to prep themselves for a raid, then go on said raid for hours in a block of time. and that's ok.
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