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#1 Mar 04 2007 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
why do people price their enchants high?
when u see somebody yelling that their enchanting something like minor health for like 50s it drives me crazy,,,
didnt know i you guys would whisper them and tell them to bring the price down or whatever else u guys do.. i was wondering what people do when they see this, or if you do anything thx
#2 Mar 04 2007 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
I have only just started enchanting so I'm pretty new to it but I do know that even some of the lower level enchants cost a lot....40-50s just for 1 greater magic essence for example. You can't get it from drops or vendors only from the auction house or from disenchanting an item.
#3 Mar 05 2007 at 1:15 AM Rating: Decent
No, enchant prices aren't high. It's a hopeless money losing business. Every time I see an enchanter being hassled on the trade channel for daring to sell say, 2H lesser impact for 1G, I always help by telling the bully to go buy a glimmering shard. I even have someone wasting my time this weekend for a free fiery enchant, with my mats! Most of the time, I can see enchanters advertising enchants below cost. I only sell yellow or orange enchants, anything that won't level my skill is simply a waste of time as no one ever pays more than mat cost. Even tips is like only 50s-1g, which I can earn much quicker from vendor trash drops. (By the way, I'm also a disenchanter, and I'd rather sell extra mats on the AH).

To fellora, hang in there, it will get better. The low level enchants will lose you more money because the mat prices are so high in comparison to the higher level mats. The mat price difference between a magic essence and a mystic essence (or a strange dust and a vision dust) isn't larger than the benefit of the enchant. Basically, the mid level enchants are more cost effective than the low level ones. (The high level ones are actually very expensive, btw). And if you are thinking of getting the minor beastslayer formula, don't. I got it from a drop at Deadmines, and I worked out that I lose more money selling it than selling other equal level enchants. From my experience, it becomes feasible charging mat cost from around level 185.

Edited, Mar 5th 2007 4:23am by LittleHamster
#4 Mar 05 2007 at 2:00 AM Rating: Decent
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wow i wish i made any money enchanting...umm...ever. even now at 70 no one will pay for my enchants. i think i've probably gotten a couple of hundred from enchanting over the whole time i've played and that is cancelled out by the thousands of gold that have been invested into leveling it and providing enchants to friends.

i feel sorry for enchanters everywhere, i wish that guy selling his enchants well and hope he can find someone to buy them because i never could at low levels, or even now.
#5 Mar 05 2007 at 3:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Enchanting Is a money-losing profession. You have to D/E Items that might be worth alot more then the recieved D/E Mats. The enchants also require alot of extra mats which include into the price. Unless the buyer were to supply the mats, the enchanter would be broke. Thats why Enchanters Sometimes charge an extra 1-2g just for profit. Alot of people take up enchanting(Even Warriors)because they think it makes money easily, when really it doesn't.
#6 Mar 05 2007 at 3:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Alot of people take up enchanting(Even Warriors)because they think it makes money easily, when really it doesn't.


Nothing wrong with a warrior enchanter! I'm one. At least we'll not be tempted into doing the age old tailoring/enchanting combo and waste more money. And seeing that no other warrior friendly crafting profession requires no gathering, we will at least be having a gathering profession to pair up with enchanting. And the gathering profession will be pure profit since we don't need any of the mats we gather. If you ask me, casters are worse off as enchanters :)
#7 Mar 05 2007 at 3:56 AM Rating: Decent
Dandreekel wrote:
why do people price their enchants high?
when u see somebody yelling that their enchanting something like minor health for like 50s it drives me crazy,,,
didnt know i you guys would whisper them and tell them to bring the price down or whatever else u guys do.. i was wondering what people do when they see this, or if you do anything thx

How about the next time you want something enchanted, buy the necessary mats on the AH, and provide a tip of 10% of what you bought the mats for?

Whiners like you drive me crazy.
#8 Mar 05 2007 at 4:04 AM Rating: Decent
Romordi wrote:
Enchanting Is a money-losing profession. You have to D/E Items that might be worth alot more then the recieved D/E Mats. The enchants also require alot of extra mats which include into the price. Unless the buyer were to supply the mats, the enchanter would be broke. Thats why Enchanters Sometimes charge an extra 1-2g just for profit. Alot of people take up enchanting(Even Warriors)because they think it makes money easily, when really it doesn't.

Enchanting is a money-making profession. If you DE items that are worth more than the mats, you are doing something wrong. Heck, not something - everything. Enchanting as a profession is extreme in the money making department as long as you don't enchant anything at all (beyond what's necessary to level), but use it as a gathering profession and sell mats. Oh, and if you only DE drops and quest rewards, you are also doing something wrong.
#9 Mar 05 2007 at 4:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Enchanting is a perfectly valid way to make money (and I'm probably not the only one who manages to do so), but the money is not really into selling enchants.

Why? Because let's have a look at your market:
- at low lvl (say, before 50), nobody apart from twinks can afford the mats, therefore everybody gets enchants for free from an enchanter who wants to skill up
- at high lvl, who doesn't know an enchanter? Just buy the mats (or farm them) and a guildmate will do the enchant for you for free (and skill up)
#10 Mar 05 2007 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
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It's very simple:

1) None of the crafting professions make money - well not more than they cost, anyway.

2) If you want money take the gathering professions: skinning + mining or skinning + herbing.

3) I count disenchanting as a gathering profession. This is the only real way to make money from enchanting.

4) I never provide the mats when selling the enchant. I get so totally fed up of the, "OMG 10g for clicking a button" argument that I can't be bothered to explain to the dimwits any more. I always offer to do it for mats + fee, even if I have the mats myself. Guildies get enchants for free, of course.
#11 Mar 05 2007 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyone who whines about the prices of enchants has learned very little in their time playing WoW.

I don't think I've ever heard someone asking an overly high price for an enchant (although I usually can't afford them).
#12 Mar 05 2007 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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People treat enchanters like dirt, always have, always will. We can't stick something in the AH (unless its oils or mats) and go on about our day. We actually have to sit and deal with the customer who will inevitably gripe about either the price of the enchant or the fact that you require a tip.

They obviously have no concept of the money and time sink that enchanting is. All of those BoEs you could have sold in the AH were turned into mats for raising the skill, all that time you spent farming for a certain formula, all that time you spent grinding rep with a certain faction to get the formula.... only to have some dude gripe because you (/gasp) want some form of compensation for providing a service they cannot do themselves.

You don't even want to know what I paid to make my runed eternium rod.....

So yeah, quit griping about the cost of enchants, or become an enchanter yourself. I suspect your attitude will rapidly change. Until then, I leave you with:

/violin
#13 Mar 05 2007 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
anathor wrote:
- at low lvl (say, before 50), nobody apart from twinks can afford the mats, therefore everybody gets enchants for free from an enchanter who wants to skill up
- at high lvl, who doesn't know an enchanter? Just buy the mats (or farm them) and a guildmate will do the enchant for you for free (and skill up)

Enchanting other player's items is not the most efficient way to skill up. It uses up time and effort and is totally pointless, unless you are doing it for guildies. Enchant your own items, and then enchant them again (overlaying the prior enchantment) with the same enchant. Do this until you level your skill to the point of visiting the trainer. Then get new enchants and do the same with the next bunch of orange enchants.

This means that you need mats. LOTS OF MATS! Buy cheap disenchantable items at the AH and disenchant them. You won't always get the particular mats you need, but you will get lots of sellable mats other than those. You'll end up making money while you level your skill. Once you have a good supply of the mats you need to get to the next level, repeat the process.

There is no need to think of enchanting as a money sink, as long as you stop hawking enchants to the the general public. (edit) Especially ones like the OP.

Edited, Mar 6th 2007 8:39am by ohmikeghod
#14 Mar 09 2007 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent
Do people understand that we D/E blues and greens for mats. Ench are not expensive the mats are.... Ench can help you Win a fight (PvP or PvE) that is priceless at my level (Repairs Suck). That 200 extra Hp +12 Str has made more money than it cost.

Edited, Mar 9th 2007 11:32am by Argerdra
#15 Mar 09 2007 at 8:34 AM Rating: Default
Enchanters, we didn't force you to choose enchanting.
#16 Mar 09 2007 at 8:53 AM Rating: Decent
Wow is all I can say....

I am a mid lvl enchanter(170) and I love it. I mainly picked enchanting to help my guild and my friends. Plus, the added bonus of being able to twink myself...heck yeah. I am a lvl 36 shaman with 2k mana and 1.7k health(twink).
Disenchanting has made me good money, but I have also spent money into it to lvl up.
But for those of you who complain about the prices go to the AH and check it out for yourself. Just once type in Large glowing shard and see how much they cost. Then go check a stack of medium or heavy leather and tell me which one is more!!!
You know I always enchant lower lvls to make room for more mats I keep on hand and everyone I help out is always more than greatful. Heck most of the time people try to give me money. I always tell them to keep their money.
JUST REMEMBER the one day when you face someone and they wipe you out because they have fiery, icy chill, or have stamina that puts them over 4k health. Don't come crying back to the enchanter wanting help!!
Just pay the price or get your own mats, tip, and say thank you!!
#17 Mar 09 2007 at 9:32 AM Rating: Decent
Dandreekel wrote:
why do people price their enchants high?
when u see somebody yelling that their enchanting something like minor health for like 50s it drives me crazy,,,
didnt know i you guys would whisper them and tell them to bring the price down or whatever else u guys do.. i was wondering what people do when they see this, or if you do anything thx


I would like to see you take up enchanting. Then come back and tell US why we price enchants so high.

The mat prices are ridiculous. This is why almost no enchanters supply mats anymore.
#18 Mar 09 2007 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Enchanters, we didn't force you to choose enchanting.


True. And by the same token, nobody's forcing the cheap b@stards who want something for free to have their armor and weapons enchanted either.
#19 Mar 09 2007 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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True. And by the same token, nobody's forcing the cheap b@stards who want something for free to have their armor and weapons enchanted either.


thank you for pointing this out to him. most people dont get it.

if you don't want to pay for the enchants, then live without them. the people spamming low chants just want skill up. and believe me. that 50s makes them about 10s or less profit. so quit whining about it.
#20 Mar 09 2007 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent

Some dip was asking why are enchants so high? Let me see if I can explain the problems with being an enchanter.One example when going out with a group,grinding all day other than the loose change that we pick up off the kills the only thing of value to an enchanter are the armor and weapons with enchants on then and we all know how much of that drops but it doesn't stop there.you have to fight everyone in the group for the enchanted items because they all want them.I keep trying to tell them that those item are to me like the leather they are getting from the kills or the mithral gold silver out of the dungeons and hill tops.meen while they are making 10's of gold every day while i go home with just the loose change from the days grinding,many days i have lost money do to armor repair flight cost to and from.yet all your friends or guild members come to you for those free enchants with there own mats,so we take time out of the limited time we have to play to do them the favor.then you have some self serving jerks that come up to you wanting free enchants using your own mats and act offended when you ask for a tip.i am so sick of people wanting crap for free but yet think what they do is worth top dollar.***** them.i charge top dollar for my enchants and i dont care if i never sell an enchant but i can tell you one thing I WILL HAVE THE BEST ENCHANTS MONEY CANT BUY ON ALL MY STUFF RIGHT DOWN TO THE SOCKS ON MY FEET
#21 Mar 09 2007 at 3:03 PM Rating: Decent
Maybe this is a bad example but here is a small idea of the cost to be an enchanter.
This is all data collected off the Alla site. Prices could be off also due to server demand.

Just to do +1 damage enchant to a weapon you have to be lvl 90 enchanter. So numerous amounts of money training just to get to lvl 90 yeah ok enough said.

1 - greater magic essence 55s
1 - small glimmering shard 75s
2 - strange dust 20s
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1g 50s

to do +4 damage you have to be lvl 245. Same as above.

2 - large radiant shard 17g
2 - greater nether essence 11g 50s
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28g 50s

Now hoping that you are lucky enough to disenchant something and get the mat to do the enchant. You do the math and then ask me WHY WE CHARGE SO MUCH?
#22 Mar 09 2007 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent
dude, enchanting for me is just a way to make myself stronger. I take greens/blues i dont need and i disenchant them. this way i get my mats for free(well, except for the killing of set mob). then , if i need money i sell enchants for a lot of money. people pay for it, so i sell. its not us enchanters fault, it is yours.
#23 Mar 12 2007 at 3:11 AM Rating: Decent
Romordi wrote:
Enchanting Is a money-losing profession.

My enchanter/tailor's cash reserves just reached 10k gold yesterday. Isn't that a nice round number? And he is a crafter - does not farm mats and does not sell mats in AH - he buys cloth, mats and items to DE in AH. I usually laugh when I read statements like the one I quoted.
Just do not think he earned that money in a week - that is a result of hard work. But losing money? Not really. Only if you think about the cost of making the rods, but that will return itself after some time.
I am kind of glad the 300 flying skill costs as much as it does - at least there is something to do with the money.
#24 Mar 12 2007 at 7:11 AM Rating: Decent
This post just kind of bugged me. Sitting back and thinking over the weekend, you know.......I have never seen anyone post in the general chat: Looking for leatherworker....looking for alchemist......looking for fisherman.

Everyone is always looking for an enchanter to buff them up. No one is ever looking for a leatherworker to make them some better armor. So like some others have posted....IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PRICES THEN DON'T ASK
#25 Mar 12 2007 at 8:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Sitting back and thinking over the weekend, you know.......I have never seen anyone post in the general chat: Looking for leatherworker....looking for alchemist......looking for fisherman.


Actually, I see a lot of looking for alchemist ads asking for transmutes. The reason why there are no ads for alchemist potions, or leatherworker's armor, or fish, is that they can be traded on the AH.
#26 Mar 12 2007 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually, I see a lot of looking for alchemist ads asking for transmutes. The reason why there are no ads for alchemist potions, or leatherworker's armor, or fish, is that they can be traded on the AH.


Yep, most other professions have an AH to put their stuff up at. Enchanters get /whisper and /2 I NEED AN ENCHANTER.

I tried the enchanting thing, and I agree that money can only be made if you treat it as a gathering profession. The only problem I have with the whining enchanters is that they enchant their own items for skillups only then gripe about the cost of doing it.

It's akin to a smither or leatherworker making items for skillups and not vendor or AH them, but throw them away. If you don't want to take the time out to sell your enchants, then you don't have a right to waste time and complain about losing so much money.
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