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#1 May 17 2006 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent

Hi, i am a Mage with alch and herb as my proffesions,
and I got a little question:
What do I need Elemental transmutes for?

Is it very necesery for me as i a mage?
Or is it "good to have" thing in quests,
proffesions or other skilles?

Nice if anyone could help me :=)
#2 May 17 2006 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
My primary reason is for INCOME :)

When you say 'elemental' do you mean as in creatin *essence* of <fire, water, earth, etc>? I transmute air to fire and make about 3-5g profit on each one. I buy Essence of Air in bulk and transmute it to fire and sell on AH or in trade channel. Plenty of people are looking for essences, esp. fire, which is why it's expensive.

Hope this helps.
#3 May 17 2006 at 11:31 PM Rating: Decent

Yes i meant essence of fire,air and so on.

Thank you very much for the help.

BTW, is fire very hard to get since it is so expencise?
#4 May 18 2006 at 6:27 AM Rating: Decent
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baronharkonnen wrote:
My primary reason is for INCOME :)

I transmute air to fire and make about 3-5g profit on each one. I buy Essence of Air in bulk and transmute it to fire and sell on AH or in trade channel.


What! Think you may be shooting yourself in the foot here?

The fire is far easier to come by than the air. It drops relatively often from On'Goro, in copious amounts in MC (doesn't matter if you're not doing MC, it still becomes available in the AH) and in large amounts from BRD, which is very often run.

Air, on the other hand is pretty much only gained from the elementals in Silithus, which are a little tight at dropping it, to say the least!

I'm not an alchemist but I've ground essences for ages for my robe (10 of fire,earth,air,water) and belt (12 of fire and water) of the archmage. I ground most and bought a few of each. I found it much cheaper to buy the water and have it transmuted to air than trying to buy the air.

Transmuting air to fire sounds crazy to me, but perhaps you'll put me straight.

Edited, Thu May 18 07:28:20 2006 by leatherpatches
#5 May 18 2006 at 7:20 AM Rating: Decent
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leatherpatches wrote:
What! Think you may be shooting yourself in the foot here?

The fire is far easier to come by than the air. It drops relatively often from On'Goro, in copious amounts in MC (doesn't matter if you're not doing MC, it still becomes available in the AH) and in large amounts from BRD, which is very often run.

Air, on the other hand is pretty much only gained from the elementals in Silithus, which are a little tight at dropping it, to say the least!

I'm not an alchemist but I've ground essences for ages for my robe (10 of fire,earth,air,water) and belt (12 of fire and water) of the archmage. I ground most and bought a few of each. I found it much cheaper to buy the water and have it transmuted to air than trying to buy the air.

Transmuting air to fire sounds crazy to me, but perhaps you'll put me straight.


It sounds crazy to me too, then again, the prices on that server may be odd.

Best bet is to get undeath to water.

Edit: Working on that robe myself. Only lacking the waters. Smiley: grin



Edited, Thu May 18 08:28:19 2006 by Poldaran
#6 May 18 2006 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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What! Think you may be shooting yourself in the foot here?

The fire is far easier to come by than the air. It drops relatively often from On'Goro, in copious amounts in MC (doesn't matter if you're not doing MC, it still becomes available in the AH) and in large amounts from BRD, which is very often run.


Well, the prices on my server have chanegd recently as well. Fire is now around 15g a piece, and Air is around 10g. Used to be 14g for Fire and 18-20 for air... go figure.

People like Elemental transmutes for two reasons: you can get as much money as an arcanite transmute (undeath to water for example), AND they only have a 24-hour cooldown, not a 48-hour cooldown. So you effectively can do them twice as much and make twice as much profit.

Granted, some of the transmute recipes are a pain to find...
#7 May 18 2006 at 4:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I have just recently gotten the elemental fire transmute. I find i make decent money buying heart of fire and transmuting it to elemental fire.

If your lazy like me, you can still easily make 10-15g a day like that, otherwise if you got the effort -

go to un'goro and farm heart of fire and essence of fire at the same time. You make make a ton of money wasting time like that.

It does take alot of money/time to get your rep up with the thorium brotherhood to get the elemental fire transmute but its worth it in the end.
#8 May 20 2006 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Well, the prices on my server have chanegd recently as well. Fire is now around 15g a piece, and Air is around 10g. Used to be 14g for Fire and 18-20 for air... go figure.


I don't doubt your sincerity, but I suspect someone might be playing a gigantic 'fix the market' scam on you.

Fire is so much more readily available than air, unless they've changed the drop rates and places on one or two servers without telling anyone, that it is almost bound to be cheaper through simple market forces.

Just the fact that a guild clearing MC in a night (which there is likely to be on most servers now) even without Raggy can expect between 5 and 10 essence of fire. On top of this any group doing BRD can expect perhaps 3 or 4 to drop. Plus those farming them. Plus those who take advantage of the invasion in On Goro to store them up and sell them etc. vs people who farm slow drops in silithus and the odd BWL drop and it all stacks up to mean that fire costs less than air. No real way to argue against that?
#9 May 20 2006 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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I don't doubt your sincerity, but I suspect someone might be playing a gigantic 'fix the market' scam on you.

Fire is so much more readily available than air, unless they've changed the drop rates and places on one or two servers without telling anyone, that it is almost bound to be cheaper through simple market forces.

Just the fact that a guild clearing MC in a night (which there is likely to be on most servers now) even without Raggy can expect between 5 and 10 essence of fire. On top of this any group doing BRD can expect perhaps 3 or 4 to drop. Plus those farming them. Plus those who take advantage of the invasion in On Goro to store them up and sell them etc. vs people who farm slow drops in silithus and the odd BWL drop and it all stacks up to mean that fire costs less than air. No real way to argue against that?


Well, look at it this way. Run a search for Essence of Fire. Now run a search for Essence of Air. Fire has over 30 recipes associated with it. Air has 15. Fire is a needed component is a lot of great items, including MC/BWL Fire resistance gear. Air has some use in enchants, but not much in FR gear.

Fire has a lot more use than Air does. Once people get what they need from Essence of Air, they don't need any more. But you need Essence of Fires to make Onyxia Cloaks, to make FR gear, to make all sorts of good stuff. Not so with Essence of Air.

Demand > Supply. Basic economics. If there isn't demand for your product at a certain price, the price falls. And despite a higher supply for Essence of Fire, there is a much larger demand for it, thus keeping the price higher.
#10 May 20 2006 at 3:34 PM Rating: Good
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I don't doubt your sincerity, but I suspect someone might be playing a gigantic 'fix the market' scam on you


And no, it's been this way for quite a while; I expect this will be the norm unless more Essence of Air recipes come out. Most servers eventually get to this point; the reason Essence of Fire isn't sky-high is because AQ isn't fire-based. Thus the demand for Living Essence will start to creep up, especially with the next patch's new recipes.
#11 May 27 2006 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
AQ?? its all about nex soon ice and undeath will start to rise.
#12 May 27 2006 at 1:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't forget about Heart of Fire=Elemental Fire Transmutes, 10m cooldown, they at least keep the cost of making Greater Fire Protection Pots down. I was my guilds main supplier of Fire Pots forever and that transmute saved me so much money.
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