A Skinner's Pet Peeve: What really chaps my hide...Follow

I've had that happen - but usually only when I kill 3 to 4 in row and leave them lie. That's my problem - but the peep should be more observant. But if he saw you kill - he ought to wait till you move away - if he doesnt - well the toons have real people behind them - so..... there are some thieves in this word.

If someone suspicious is standing near you while you're looting, then you can either pause in loot mode until he buggers off or you can exit out of loot window, leaving your loot on the corpse until he buggers off. Ninjaskinners suck.

The same principle works if someone tries to ninjamine you. Their technique is to time it just right between you looting your ore and starting the next mining attempt. Well, if you pause in loot mode with the window open, they can't start the next mining attempt until you've taken what's in the window.

I must confess. I have stolen a hide or two... The first time was innocent I simply didnt stop to think "Is that person a skinner too?" The other time was opportunistic, as in, I happend to be running by as the other guy looted... and helped myself to the skin... I realized this thoroughly pissed him off and quickly apologized for my greediness. It came back around to me yesterday when I got robbed. lol. What goes around always comes back around. My apologies.

heh heh, I was doing that other night with an alt and people were yelling that they were looting corpses so people could skin then and it dawned on me, wasting good leather.

So I started looting corpses so the skinners could continue their trade :)

Ninja-ism is just *wrong*.

Thus far I've seen it with all my alts' skills with the exception of Enchanting. There is no excuse not to know if someone that has killed the beast, fought their way to the chest/mine/herb intends to harvest the fruits of those labors.

Intent - Assume that someone that has gone to the trouble to get NEAR that resource is fully intending to harvest it. If they are engaged nearby, simply doing a right-click and whisper will allow YOU to ask if they intend to harvest said resource.

I've been amazed how many times people have replied with some shock that someone asked when I asked their intent. The tool is available for all to use, yet apparently isn't all that much.
*shakes head*

That said, if there is noone close (within sight) to a skinnable critter I will assume that said critter is up for grabs and get the little knife busy. But, if I err on that I will at least apologize.

To help any decent sorts that might be wondering if I intend to skin my kills, I try to do so as soon as the sharp things quit whizzing around in the air too. That *may* mean that I have to step 6 steps away from my last kill to close on another irritated critter. I also will (typically) heal (other party member, pet or self), eat and sharpen weapons before I start 'harvesting'.. that is simple prudence. I've been jumped by unseen or respawns too many times to *not* be as prepared as possible.

This does NOT suggest I'm relinquishing the rights of the victor at all. And I will be sure to /t anyone that presumes otherwise.. ;)



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I have had the almost evil pleasure of letting kismet come around on ninjas too. :) My favorite to date was recently in Westfall. My warrior alt killed her way into a mine and harvested a nice load of Tin. Following her in, a slightly lower level was working on an occassional Defias. She'd get a couple Defias further in.. start axing on them .. and the lower level started working on those around my warrior.

Okay, he's trying to be helpful.. right? Well.. maybe. More and more it seems that he's letting me play meatshield for him. Let the mobs aggro on me.. slip in a first lick here and there and 'drop off' the mobs for me to finish... something about aggro there is strange.. but. I can live with a little of that.

But, as I set into the three Defias at the silver vein ahead.. he waits and zips in for the silver just as the last of those 3 fall, pick in hand and going for it. If the game was coded to allow it, he'd have put the pick in my head!!

I watched him.. and waited... muttering wonderful thoughts to myself. Ahead.. there is a copper vein. He heads for it.. but quite short runs afoul of a gnoll.. and a Defias. I walked on by that little group and started harvesting copper, watching the battle off to the side.

I know it sounds bad.. and it kinda is.. but I was grinning a little as his health dwindled and failed.

"B*tch!!", he types out /s.

I /t'ed him to ask why in the world would he call me such a thing? His response, 'You took my copper and let me die.'

I told him, "No. We aren't in a party, your survival is your problem. Would that be 'your' copper in some manner similar to 'my' silver you ninjaed?"

He said, (I loved this part..) "That was MY silver!".

I LOLed at him and said, "So, I can kill my way to a silver vein, kill off mobs there so YOU can zip in and mine said silver without the slightest consideration .. because it's YOUR silver?"

He said, "Arguing with you about this is a waste of my time, I got what I wanted."

"Oh, and because *I* walked over (and I did indeed toggle off running) and got the copper.. ie, I got what I wanted, I'm a 'b*tch'? Nice logic."

Oddly, that was the last I heard from that one. :)

In other circumstances, had he bothered to make any effort to converse, I'd probably have helped him get some ore and romp through the mobs. But, I guess I just didn't respond that well to being 'used', eh?

Anyway.. Down with Ninja-ism!!

Sorry about the ramble .. ;)

Decke

I’ve had similar problems as I’m sure everyone has. But I’d like to offer up a story from the flip side of that coin.

A while back I was leveling up my paladin, trying to reach level 40 before Blizzard added in a quest for my mount. Hey, it was a great way to motivate myself. *grins* I spent a lot of time among the ogres in the snowy regions above Southshore. It was a great spot for single pulling mobs, looting silk and digging up mithril and truesilver.

Unfortunately, at least for me, this is a well known spawn spot for miners. High level characters would often ride through making their ore rounds. So competition was often fierce. Though I would have liked to have collected all that ore, what I mainly wanted were the skill points. Figuring I had nothing to lose I sent a tell to the person who beat me to the mithril node and asked if I could take a hit on it for skill if I didn’t take the ore. To my surprise he said sure. Over the next week or so I asked many others and every single person I asked allowed me to take a swing at the ore to raise my skill. They even let me dig at the truesilver. One lady went way out of her way to group with me each time she found a node so I could follow her to it and try for a skill point.

So any time I have a bad experience in game I think back to all those kind people who helped me and trusted me not to steal their ore.

what i do is kill like 4 things DO NOT LOOT right away go to first one loot skin loot skin and so on. I have seen alot of this happening. If i do see people out killing i send them a message asking if it is okay to skin what they just killed..its called courtesy....HOWEVER i have seen horde wait for me to kill loot and try to skin, but this happens on both sides seen alliance doing it to horde.
/slap...to rude people like that

I can't help you with the ninjaskinners, more than what's been said here: Kill, but don't loot until you're ready to skin, hold the loot open as necessary.

But for you who skin and worry about whether or not you can skin a corpse?

I have a key set up with a "say" macro that says "Hi, I'm a skinner, are you going to skin that?"

If you don't get an answer in say a fair period (say the five second rule; But I got for 10 seconds) then in my opinion it's yours. Just don't go "saying" while the other guy is in battle and can't reply to you. You may as well just ninjaskin it if you don't care if they answer.

Truthfully, skinning isn't nearly as bad as mining, in my experience. I've actually been *standing on* a mitril lode in the searing gorge, killing a spider that was agroing the lode when someone came up and mined it out form under me.

"Hey! Did you think I was killing that spider for my health?"

Yep, this is much worse in mining than skinning. With skinning, I just wait until they've looted and moved on. Most people seem to do the same. But, in mining, it's not uncommon for someone to run up and start mining a deposit while I'm actively swinging my pick on it. It's an unabashed attempt to steal the ore deposit and they see nothing wrong with it apparently.