soph i hear you, but:
if people didn't have to deal with going up against the same lvl 75 2 year FF veteran for drops like this, you would see more new people actually camping it and less new people buying gil. the newer players would see that maybe they can get it and they don't have to pay somone for it.
this is not setting a good example for new players!
newplayer: Hey how can i get an emp pin?
vetplayer: you can camp it but don't bother this dude camps it and charges you to lot on it after he kills it.
newPlayer: oh that sucks
vetPlayer: yeah just go farm instead
newPlayer: yeah i'll do that (logs off and buys gil)
I'm not sayin it should be easy to get the claim, but you shouldn't have to keep going at it with the same person everytime.
It takes such a long *** time to get it because of **** like this! People who don't need to camp it but do it anyway for $ make it even harder for the honest player to get the drop. this deters even more players from attempting to get it on their own and thus they buy gil.
can't wait for 2-3 months from now when we have gill sellers selling party invites for 1 mil to lot on an rare/ex items.
then we can have another type "I hate the gillsellers" thread.
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Well, all I can really go off of are my own experiences. When I hit level 20 I started finding ways to make gil. I started small by camping Spiny Spipi. I did pretty well with that one, so I kept moving up. Chrypt Ghost, Golden bat, Jaggedy-Ear Jack...
Eventually I moved up to Leaping Lizzy. "Don't bother," everyone told me. "Those guys have been camping it forever. Besides, you can't possibly go up against THF/RNG or RNG/NIN as a RDM"
Countless spawns (and months) later, I ended my LL career with 8/too many. I got all of them as RDM, and never once dreamed of changing my job choice. Not only did my persistance pay off monitarily, but loved the feeling of accomplishment beating out all the THF/RNG and RNG/THF. The only thing I regret is that in that time, my GF severly outlevelled me and all my friends left me behind.
So I guess the point of what I'm trying to say is...just because someone says you can or can't do something, that doesn't mean they're right. If you want something bad enough, you can make it happen. No one is a God on this server, not when things are random. If you try hard enough, you *can* beat them. If you try long enough, you *will*.
And who knows? Maybe if someone had been willing to camp LL for me that first time, I could have gotten 2 jobs to 75 and been spending all this time making millions more in HNM or crafting?
Eventually I moved up to Leaping Lizzy. "Don't bother," everyone told me. "Those guys have been camping it forever. Besides, you can't possibly go up against THF/RNG or RNG/NIN as a RDM"
Countless spawns (and months) later, I ended my LL career with 8/too many. I got all of them as RDM, and never once dreamed of changing my job choice. Not only did my persistance pay off monitarily, but loved the feeling of accomplishment beating out all the THF/RNG and RNG/THF. The only thing I regret is that in that time, my GF severly outlevelled me and all my friends left me behind.
So I guess the point of what I'm trying to say is...just because someone says you can or can't do something, that doesn't mean they're right. If you want something bad enough, you can make it happen. No one is a God on this server, not when things are random. If you try hard enough, you *can* beat them. If you try long enough, you *will*.
And who knows? Maybe if someone had been willing to camp LL for me that first time, I could have gotten 2 jobs to 75 and been spending all this time making millions more in HNM or crafting?
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Eventually I moved up to Leaping Lizzy. "Don't bother," everyone told me. "Those guys have been camping it forever. Besides, you can't possibly go up against THF/RNG or RNG/NIN as a RDM"
its not that you can't go up against them its that you should not have to go up against the same person over and over again because they are monopolizing the NM and making it harder for other newer people to get things they need but could never afford unless they buy gil.
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And who knows? Maybe if someone had been willing to camp LL for me that first time, I could have gotten 2 jobs to 75 and been spending all this time making millions more in HNM or crafting?
who knows??? maybe if the same people weren't camping the same NM's multple times you would have gotten LL in a fraction of the time it took. If they just got their item and left... you could have had had another job to 75 but instead you had to spend countless hours going up against the same 75 thf/rng for a ******* item he already has. why? cause he's bored? wtf?
its one thing for the 75thf/rng to kill it for a friend and leave but to do it muliple times for some piece of garbage that is paying him isn't right. It was made rare or whatever so you can't have more then one so people would get theres and leave and let other people try and get one. not so someone could start charging to kill the NM and let another person lot the item. that's the same thing as killing the NM and selling the old NON-RARE.
when i 1st started playing about a year ago, there another player who also started around the same time as me. we were both white mages. i remember us saying "wow i want astral rings" and "leaping Boots"!!! "LMAO" was the response from our LS. they went on to explain Gil sellers and such other things... blah blah blah.
I said ok well i'll start working on my astral rings. the other guy had astral rings, leaping boots, and an airship pass the next day (before he had a subjob). why? because he didn't want to spend the time geting them after he found out that it takes for ever because of people who over camp things.
i don't play much whm anymore, but the point is that a lot of the new people come into this game see something they want and then find out the only way they are gonna get it is to buy gil or spend the rest of the year farming/camping. this is a direct result of gilsellers and people like girly making it harder for new people to do things and its only getting worse with things like "500k emp hairpin for hire" I'll camp it over and over. Well if people didn't camp it over ang over no one would need to pay someone 500k to kill it.
Edited, Wed Oct 26 10:42:27 2005 by DukeFame
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It was made rare or whatever so you can't have more then one so people would get theres and leave and let other people try and get one.
I don't necessarily agree with this (my reasoning is stated above) but I will say this. Let's assume that you are right and SE actually intended this to be the case. How often has it happened that something SE intended didn't actually happen that way? NIN/WAR tanks. NIN subjob. Rusty caps. Bard Ballad. SAM/MNK/DRG TP. RNG damage on IT++++. These all have/had byproducts that greatly benefitted us at one time or another (with the exception, arguably, of rusty caps). Some were adjusted, some are still the same.
How can we justify exploiting the system for our own benefit, but look down on someone for doing the exact same thing? Yes, you may not agree with what AGM is doing...but it's not illegal and it's not against the ToS. He's taking advantage of a situation in the game, same as we do every time we use a NIN/WAR as the main tank.
Unless AGM is botting--which I assume that he's not--he's just doing what he does best. Well...next to pissing people off that is.
taking advatage of ninja tanking doesn't really have a negative impact on other players. yes i'm sure you can try and find something bad about it, but you can do that for everything thing in every part of life.
I'm just not into taking advatage of the system when it comes at such a blatent expense to another player...and adds to the biggest problem we have with is gil selling/buying.
It ether A) causes new players to buy gil or B) causes them to spend longer then they should have to in order to get the emp pin. Why? Because girly wants to camp a rare item and sell the lot on it. he doesn't need the money, nor does he need the item.
Don't get pissed when people start selling party invites on HNM's for millions and all the gil buyers start lining up to get their end game items and cause it to take 3 times as long for you to get one the right way.
what's the rusty cap thing?
Enjoy,
Duke
I'm just not into taking advatage of the system when it comes at such a blatent expense to another player...and adds to the biggest problem we have with is gil selling/buying.
It ether A) causes new players to buy gil or B) causes them to spend longer then they should have to in order to get the emp pin. Why? Because girly wants to camp a rare item and sell the lot on it. he doesn't need the money, nor does he need the item.
Don't get pissed when people start selling party invites on HNM's for millions and all the gil buyers start lining up to get their end game items and cause it to take 3 times as long for you to get one the right way.
what's the rusty cap thing?
Enjoy,
Duke
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taking advatage of ninja tanking doesn't really have a negative impact on other players.
Tell that to the Paladins :)
As long as there is a way to exploit the system for gil, people will do it. Whether it's being a mercenary (not just for NMs, but for LBs, quests, etc), or just tele-taxiing. Those actions alone don't make people want to buy or sell gil.
Oh and btw...
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Don't get pissed when people start selling party invites on HNM's for millions and all the gil buyers start lining up to get their end game items and cause it to take 3 times as long for you to get one the right way.
How is this any different from now? Only way to get an HNM anymore is to dedicate your time 90%+ to an HNMLS, lose out the things you want to do, and get points for later. You pass up on many great items to get the thing you want and, when the cards play out right, you trade those points in...often for rare/ex gear.
Btw, rusty caps was a way for people to get infinate money; I'd estimate ~30%+ of the servers' population participated in rusty cap fishing/synthing. It lasted almost a year before SE nerfed it. In the time, all the free-floating gil was used to inflate the AH prices tenfold (since people could literally buy everything they wanted).
If you want to blame something for *actually* causing inflation, that would be a prime example. Because of it, newer or responsible players couldn't get the gil they needed for the items they wanted. If they didn't exploit (read: cheat) by rusty cap fishing/synthing/botting, they got screwed big time.
edit: Oh yeah, back to the original topic. Don't forget, SE didn't just make the VE drop rare/ex...they also moved the emp hairpin to a BCNM. If a newer player really wants an emp hairpin that bad, they can save up 30 beastmen seals. It's not that hard.
Edited, Wed Oct 26 12:48:37 2005 by SophusTehNewb
I got ya soph.
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sophus you're exactly right, the entire purpose behind making those items rare/ex was to make it so gilsellers/botters couldnt camp it and sell it for profit. so higher level players who didnt need the item couldnt monopolize the camp and sell it on AH.
and what is agirlyman talking about doing again? selling a drop for profit, i'm sure he'll be stealing the mob from a few solo campers who actually need the item in order to do this, in other words monopolizing the claim.
honestly if he wants to waste his time for 500k for that 1 in 100,000th player who is stupid enough to take him up on his offer fine, its when he sits in valkurm holding the mob until someone PAYS him for the item that it becomes a problem. if he ever did that i wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if half the server makes it their business to make his life a living hell.
on a lighter note me and badian were talking about this in LS the other day. i said that his whole "i do what i want" attitude is the reason why i have such a strong negative disposition towards him. i made the comment "its like, i want a peacock charm, i'll bot the claim! ***** everyone else, i do what i want" to which badian replied "yeah and if AGM did it afterwards he'd be like 'IT WAS A JOKE! BOTTING WAS JUST A JOKE! LIGHTEN UP!'". we had a good laugh, and there was much rejoicing.
and what is agirlyman talking about doing again? selling a drop for profit, i'm sure he'll be stealing the mob from a few solo campers who actually need the item in order to do this, in other words monopolizing the claim.
honestly if he wants to waste his time for 500k for that 1 in 100,000th player who is stupid enough to take him up on his offer fine, its when he sits in valkurm holding the mob until someone PAYS him for the item that it becomes a problem. if he ever did that i wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if half the server makes it their business to make his life a living hell.
on a lighter note me and badian were talking about this in LS the other day. i said that his whole "i do what i want" attitude is the reason why i have such a strong negative disposition towards him. i made the comment "its like, i want a peacock charm, i'll bot the claim! ***** everyone else, i do what i want" to which badian replied "yeah and if AGM did it afterwards he'd be like 'IT WAS A JOKE! BOTTING WAS JUST A JOKE! LIGHTEN UP!'". we had a good laugh, and there was much rejoicing.
Actually, not to nitpick but I said...
Difference is that VE is not as lucrative to camp (or to bot) anymore, which means that less people are likely to do it. Less people means less competition. And the fact that the non-ex version also drops from a level 30 BCNM, it's even less worth it to camp for hours on end.
But then again, I did say...
Remember, we demanded a change from SE. But for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is part of the reaction.
We lauded SE's when they made these drops Rare/Ex. However, that change has opened up an opportunity for people like AGM to make money in a different manner. If someone is going to take advantage of a change that SE made because *we* asked them to, we have no one to blame but outselves. We have to accept it as our consequence.
In the long run, I think what AGM is doing may actually work out to our benefit. If people start camping NMs to hold until someone pays them gil, people will be more likely to BCNM for it instead. It's fast, easy to afford, and has a potential for a high payout.
Heck, maybe we're stuck in the past and BCNM will be the way to go in the future? SE already said that they'd be making more drops Rare/Ex. That probably means more non-ex versions in a BCNM instead of from an NM. Who would like to get an Ochiudo's Kote or a Serket ring from a BCNM instead of an overcamped or HNM?
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It was my belief that SE made the items rare/ex to get rid of the relentless botters, not the campers. Otherwise why not do what they did to Aquarius and remove the drop completely from VE?
Difference is that VE is not as lucrative to camp (or to bot) anymore, which means that less people are likely to do it. Less people means less competition. And the fact that the non-ex version also drops from a level 30 BCNM, it's even less worth it to camp for hours on end.
But then again, I did say...
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As long as there is a way to exploit the system for gil, people will do it.
Remember, we demanded a change from SE. But for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is part of the reaction.
We lauded SE's when they made these drops Rare/Ex. However, that change has opened up an opportunity for people like AGM to make money in a different manner. If someone is going to take advantage of a change that SE made because *we* asked them to, we have no one to blame but outselves. We have to accept it as our consequence.
In the long run, I think what AGM is doing may actually work out to our benefit. If people start camping NMs to hold until someone pays them gil, people will be more likely to BCNM for it instead. It's fast, easy to afford, and has a potential for a high payout.
Heck, maybe we're stuck in the past and BCNM will be the way to go in the future? SE already said that they'd be making more drops Rare/Ex. That probably means more non-ex versions in a BCNM instead of from an NM. Who would like to get an Ochiudo's Kote or a Serket ring from a BCNM instead of an overcamped or HNM?
It's really not as bad as people are making it out to be, nor completely innocent. First of all. Are you guys crazy? You think girly has a customer everyday? If he's there camping it and he has no customer and already has the item, he can't even recieve it, so why would he waste the time standing around when it's of absolutely no profit to him? During this time, that girly has no profit, other legit thiefs could compete for the drop. At the same time, when someone like, say Wrip, who has a 61 Paladin is obviously no noob, but can't really camp VE because PLD for NM's is ridiculous, hire's girly he has as legit a need for the pin as well. Its the same thing to have girl help him as it is for him to compete with the other thief himself. He's spending his own pocket money and increasing his own chances of getting the drop. Sorry, but if you're a 45 thief and able to camp VE on your own, you should be good enough at your job that you have a fair chance of beating girly. Guys like Wrip don't have a fair chance of beating your theif however, and they may have been around longer and even waited for a hairpin for longer. Girly is selling his services, the same way mages sell teleports or ask for compensation for raises. The same way people have asked me to guide them through oztroja, beadeaux and davoi for their airship pass in exchange for 50k. If you have the ability to do something for others, and others are willing to pay you for your services, who is anyone else to tell you that you're not allowed to offer that service. If I had a friend who was a 75 theif and I wanted to get a hairpin, I may very well OFFER him 500k to camp it with me so I can get one, because the BCNM drop sells for so much and he'd still be saving me money. What you guys are really so pissed off about right now is the potential gilbuyer with no credentials to merely purchase 500k with the click of a button, pay girly and walk away with a pin that a legit 45+ theif could have gotten. Well, that can't be helped. If girly wants to be good about things, he can use his own descretion and not accept money from players who he believes to gilbuyers, thus, only players who can afford the 500k and are simply looking to save about 1mil, for other expensive gear, can get a crack at the pin.
dude...please use paragraph format >.>
Again, I thank you, business is "Booming". I even have offers to camp other NM for people*! Thank you for keeping this thread alive, I been so busy, haven't been here for weeks! On the norm, I only do 1 hairpin, a day, sometimes it takes an hr, sometimes 10hrs, I guarantee you will get the drop, and I will stay no matter how long it takes. Nobody but "Girly" gonna do that for ya, I promise ya.
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newplayer: Hey how can i get an emp pin?
vetplayer: you can camp it but don't bother this dude camps it and charges you to lot on it after he kills it.
newPlayer: oh that sucks
vetPlayer: yeah just go farm instead
newPlayer: yeah i'll do that (logs off and buys gil)
vetplayer: you can camp it but don't bother this dude camps it and charges you to lot on it after he kills it.
newPlayer: oh that sucks
vetPlayer: yeah just go farm instead
newPlayer: yeah i'll do that (logs off and buys gil)
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