"That's gay", "What a ******", "I bFollow

Wow, I come out of the "FFXI closet" and I get rated down? How lame can some of you people get? Whoever it was, I'd love to have you send me a /tell in game that it was you that rated me down on here, and why you felt the need to do so.

I doubt any of you that rated me down are brave enough to do so.

Hot lesbians are God's greatest creations, or so says the passage in Dirk Diggler 3:23. "He whoest watches the acts of woman upon another, shall be enchanted with a ***** lasting til the end of time."

So one person is not allowed to be angry at the practice of homosexuality but you are allowed to hate people for "mixing morality and freewill"? If hates is wrong for one group it is wrong for all of them.

This is often the way society treats Christians. We are portrayed as narrow-minded, uneducated, intolerant, biggots.

Why is it that people who are for abortion are labeled as "Pro-choice" as if they are for something, which has a positive conotation, while people who disagree with abortion are labeled as "Anti-abortion" as if they are against something, which has a negative conotation?

Another example of people painting Christians in a bad light. (I will, however, admit that a lot of "Christians" deserve this. While organized religion does have it faults and failings, the Bible teaches us that God wants his followers to assemble together for worship, fellowship, discipleship, ministry, and evangelism.

Too bad more people dont realize that Christianity does not stand on Christians, it stands on Christ.



What the poster here overlooks is one of the basic values of ANY religion and that is that people who follow that religion have a desire, generally based on their concern for people, to help them see the error of their ways. (Hold on before you go off on this statement.)

As a Christian, I believe what the Bible says. (See a point just below for more on this.)

One of the final things that Jesus said for His followers to do was to go out and teach all nations about Him. Any religion's goal is to lead others to see the teachings of that religion as true. To ask a religious person to do otherwise is like as the sun not to shine.




This quote is so filled with paradox it is almost not worth responding to... "absolute" and "my opinion" in the same sentence?

Let's say you are walking through the mall and walk past someone sitting on a bench. At the moment you walk by the person moves his/her leg in order to get more comfortable, causing you to trip. Does that make you mad? It may for a moment but you will almost immediately realize that the person did not intend to cause you to trip and you will forget about it.

Now say the same situation occurs but the person on the bench causes you to trip on purpose. Does that make you angry? Yes, and with good reason.

That is not something the Bible taught you. The Bible is not the only thing in history to lay out a series of beliefs and guidelines upon which someone should live his/her life. And each of us has a sense of right and wrong from birth.

The fact that we are having an arguement about this or any other subject implies that there is a true standard of right and wrong. We just disagree on what the true standard is. At some point we will all find out who was right and who was wrong.



I am assuming the Bible is the document that Bart was referring to in the above quote. Actually I have studied it in great detail. I have studied it in the origianl languages that the Bible was written in. In college I took a year of Hebrew and 2 years of Koine Greek. I studied the Bible at a Christian College and at a state sponsored university.

The Bible is actually very accurate in its historical references. While some things remain unconfirmed by other historical writers of the time, most of the historical passages of the Bible ARE confirmed by historians of the early 1st and 2nd centuries.

What I am saying in my scattered and shattered comments is this...

There is an unquestionable RIGHT and WRONG in our lives. The fact that our society denies this and extoles the virtues of living life based on our individual whims is the greatest tragedy of all time.

The paradox of God's creation is that He created all of us with the ability to make our own decisions. Why? Where would be the fulfillment in being loved by beings who had no choice in the matter? The result? The consequence of freewill to God is that He daily suffers when His children do not accept Him.

So how does this relate to Bart's original post?

I believe that the practice of homosexuality is wrong. I also believe that lying, murder, cheating, harming one's body by overeating, smoking, drinking, or doing drugs is wrong. The Bible says that any one of these things is a sin and since God is sinless we are seperated from Him.

NOT ONE OF THESE THINGS IS ANY MORE OR LESS ACCEPTABLE TO GOD THAN ANOTHER. But for some reason most Christians focus in on homosexuality as THE sin when the Bible teaches that is A sin. As a result you have a lot of morons running around speaking out of place.

The thing that not enough Christians act on is this...

God HATES sin. God LOVES sinners.

Jesus did not hang out in churches. He hung out with thieves, murderers, cheaters, liars, prostitues, and the like. Not because He condoned their actions but because He LOVED them.

Bart, I dont want to "cure" you or any other homosexual in the world. That isnt my place or ability.

What I want, if you dont already have one, is for you to have a relationship with Jesus Christ.

I dont often talk about my faith in-game or on these boards. And I am sure that, quite often, I dont act out my faith in-game or on these boards. Thank God that I am just a poor reflection of God and not God himself. Dont base your acceptance of God or Christianity in general on Christians. Christians did not die for your sins, Christ died for them. Christianity and its teachings rise and fall on Jesus Christ not Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell or anyone else.

Sorry for the long post.


Edited, Fri Sep 9 20:30:39 2005 by LacysDad

ok this is my opinion, not everyone will like it.
I am not gay, or homosexual.
I was raised in a tiht and very stupid christian home. My parents basicly hated Gay people or lesbians.
Well in the very end, my father wisened up. He is a Minister and since alot of gay subjects came up, he told me a few things. No one knows how god judges people. The bible was in fact written by humans, just like us.

religion may be a tough thing to tackle, but the ONLY reason people dont tend to like gays and lesbians is because of christians.

i want to say that, i dont like gay couples, BUT, noone should ever prosecute them because absolutely no one on earth knows what the hell is going to happen to them. People shouldnt prosecute of any of that good crap to them at all. gays and lesbians are just like those black people 30 years ago. they wanted their rights and they eventually got them.

If the world can change from this prejudice, them im sure it will also chande for the gays and lesbians. Homosexials shouldnt give up on what they believe in, because for all other people knows, then they are right and they are wrong.

For you christians, please, just lighten up, yes the bible says homosexuality is wrong, but non of you knows how he will pass his final judgement. so please, stfu.

This hardly seems to make any sense. You don't like gay couples, but you don't like Christians either? Obviously there seems to be some reason other than religion for why you don't like homosexuals. Fear of what you don't understand and machismo have a great deal to do with why people persecute (um, not prosecute for whoever said that) homosexuals.

Christianity is not to be blamed for the world's problems any more than homosexuality is. There is a difference between someone who believes in God/Jesus and the Jerry Fallwells of the world. Why do you have to be offensive and tell Alek to "stfu"? People, re-read my OP; I have already admited that my own word choice at times may have been a bit overboard and have apologized for any name calling I did. But the basic premise behind it is that it is a call for everyone to stop the name calling, on BOTH sides, not for people to like other people. Show others some respect, be sensitive to how others may react to your words, and you shall be shown the same courtesy in return. And if you do make a mistake, apologize for it and try your best not to let it happen again.

Gogeta

So only Christians are capable of morality?

Gogeta

Um. Dude. Catholics are Christians.

I just think if your gay it woulden't bother you. I dunno I don't wanna get into it but most Homosexual men seem "overly joyful" at expresing thier sexuality. If a Homosexual man called me straight in a dirogitory manor I woulden't be upset, I am straight why get mad? If I overheard Homosexual men making fun of straight people I woulden't be upset, I'd go on about my day and woulden't think twice of it. It's your sexual preferance don't let what others think get under your skin bro. Comon let's do what the Flinstones do and "Have a gay old time.... WILLLLLMAAAAAA!!!!"



Edited, Thu Oct 13 18:11:50 2005 by Shinkyu

Gay is old like niggaz.

But I dont use either term and they dont mean crap. I am straight and I will never call you a *** or anything because you said I'm sexy =P @ Bart.


Ya kids will be stupid kids.

It sounds good until you actually experience it. I experienced it a few weeks ago. Whats more fun and wholesome than watching the chick you are trying to hook up with getting ...ummm.. with glowsticks by your best friends girlfriend. It was not as cool as we thought it would be.

"I thought the rockies would be rockier than this"
"Ya that Dirk Diggler guy is full of **** man"

I really haven't read all of this thread, tried to keep the gist of it down.

1) OP asking for tolerance to sexual preference. Good idea, good reasoning, I agree.

2) Somehow Christians aren't entitled to the same tolerance?

If you think that Christians are the majority...you're wrong. People make fun of religion so much, at least with sexual preference they usually don't make fun of homosexuality itself, just use it as an insult to someone. Countless times I've been laughed at for being a Christian and people tell me I'm stupid for having such beliefs, oddly enough, many of these people talk about how we need to be tolerant of everyone o.O

I'll get more into this later, I have to take care of my bro for now.

My conclusion after some time and experience with people is that there are bad people on both sides of any issue, but in the end, there is a line where both sides can beat and agree upon. Once again, I'll go more into this later >.>

That's gay, you're gay, dude...GAY!, that blows, blow me, that sucks, fairy, your a ******, *****, you're a head, bite me, suck me beautiful, b-tch, son of a b-tch, b-tichin, and many others is part of my every day speech pattern. I say these things, and i won't apologize for it. Most of you people use these and don't realize it. Who cares. Get over it.

It doesn't mean I dislike people who choose to like other guys. I don't agree with it. I have friends that are out. Stephen is still one of my good friends and when we hang out I don't give it a second thought. If something happens i'll still say "aw that's gay" and he doesn't get offended. Nor do 99.999% of the homosexual world. It's just attention whores that want to be in the spotlight and post stuff like this on public forums. I mean seriously, you're even in the minority in your own...minority.

but seriously...stop looking at my ***...i'm not a steak.

Aye, Papa, I know what you mean. I don't have quite as much experience as you in the south, but I went to college at Winthrop University (Rock Hill, SC, 20min south of Charlotte, NC) for over a year. That's a place where there are a lot of Christians and people who are proud to be ones.

But I'm typically in MD, where it's certainly a minority of people who actually go to Church...and who actually go to Church because they want to (big thing here). You'll find a number of people attend Church around this place because they're parents and want their kids brought up with morals, that's the only reason they come. Not because they truly believe.

For the record, I've majorly disliked Pat Robertson ever since he asked for the assassination of a world leader. That can be something you can joke about with friends, hell, maybe seriously consider as well. But when you're supposed to be setting an example you should not be saying that kind of stuff.

And just to note, a link where homosexuals go wrong (lesbians too!): http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=29&art_id=vn20051014064916200C120193