While looking through the different BCNM, I noticed that my kindered seals were fast approaching 99. That got me to thinking...assuming you win, how does the money/item distribution play out on a KS99?
KS99 is typically not like a BCNM or even KSBCNM. In a BCNM or KS30 everyone generally has an orb. Because everyone has their own orb, items above a certain amount are typically split evenly. In a KS99 though, (usually) only one person has an orb and the others are just there to help.
Call me stingy, but if I work for months killing monsters to get 99 KS an even distribution feel be right. You'd do days/months of farming and they would have <30 mins of battle. On the other hand, it doesn't feel right not giving *something* to the people that help since they are putting their time/exp on the line.
So keeping this in mind, what would you say is generally acceptable compensation for a KS99?
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I heard that those need full alliances... they're supposedly difficult/take a long time to kill KSNM's (I wouldn't know, I've never been in one, just heard about them). I also heard that this isn't something where you can just throw together a party and go; apparently you need to go over strategies for the fight since there aren't very many available online (personally, i haven't researched this myself, cuz i never had the kindred seals for it, but i just heard ppl talking about it), so it has to be a planned event.
As for the distribution thing... I guess it could always go with the evenly split thing, cuz I heard the drops for those KSNM's are worth a fajuberin' lot. I've also read about it in another way... I guess the person who had the orb selects two items that they want from the drops, and take those, while everyone else free lots.
Hope this helped...somewhat... O.o Hopefully someone who's experiencedwith these KSNM's will find this topic.
As for the distribution thing... I guess it could always go with the evenly split thing, cuz I heard the drops for those KSNM's are worth a fajuberin' lot. I've also read about it in another way... I guess the person who had the orb selects two items that they want from the drops, and take those, while everyone else free lots.
Hope this helped...somewhat... O.o Hopefully someone who's experiencedwith these KSNM's will find this topic.
Our linkshell did 5 runs of the Horalis Peak one a week or so ago. Linkshell policy is that orb holder can choose to receive either all the weapons or all the other items dropped, while the linkshell bank gets the rest to distribute as linkshell rewards. The orb holders all made quite a bit of money (8 million gil average i would say) and we did win all the fights so no one wasted their seals.
This BC, Horns of War, is against Chlevnik who has all the Behemoth special attacks, Meteor, etc. Chlevnik is about the same strength as King Behemoth and the strategy is the same. Kite it with PLD's between the entrance and the burning circle itself. Gravity stuck on it really well and most of the damage was done by BLM and SMN with our setup. Right before Chlevnik dies it does a special attack that kills pretty much anyone within range so you need to have some ppl far away when he is close to death. Horns of War is the easiest of the KS99 fights. I don't know strat for the other fights since I have never done them, but I have been told winning is much less likely.
Edited, Tue Aug 30 16:35:05 2005 by DragonsEgg
This BC, Horns of War, is against Chlevnik who has all the Behemoth special attacks, Meteor, etc. Chlevnik is about the same strength as King Behemoth and the strategy is the same. Kite it with PLD's between the entrance and the burning circle itself. Gravity stuck on it really well and most of the damage was done by BLM and SMN with our setup. Right before Chlevnik dies it does a special attack that kills pretty much anyone within range so you need to have some ppl far away when he is close to death. Horns of War is the easiest of the KS99 fights. I don't know strat for the other fights since I have never done them, but I have been told winning is much less likely.
Edited, Tue Aug 30 16:35:05 2005 by DragonsEgg
Right, it would take a lot of work to set up--but mainy for the person who is using the seals. They'd need to farm the seals, set a date, gather 17 other level 75s, get the right jobs, organize the event, make sure that everyone shows, etc etc etc...all of which requires a LOT of time. That's far more time than someone who only needs to show up with the appropriate job. And to top it all off, if the KS99 is a bust they lose out on everyhting. They potentially put in 1000% more work than any individual person. Because of that, it wouldn't seem right to do a straight split.
For example, say an alliance gets 10mil from a KS99 run. If you do a straight split, everyone would get ~550k. However, does it seem right that someone who puts in 2 hours of work (with nothing to lose but exp) will get as much as somoene who puts in months of work? That person will not only lose exp if it's a bust, but they also lose out on all 99 seals and months of farming.
From the other end of the spectrum, if I'm helping someone out it would be nice to get compensated for the time and possible exp loss. I could be out doing other things but instead I'll be spending the next 1-2 hours helping you.
As far as the other option (selecting a couple of items and having the rest be free-lotted) I'm not so certain I'd be okay with that. Say you get drops worth 7mil, 4mil, 3mil, and then some nickel and dime items. Of course the person running the KS99 would choose the first two. If the last were free-lotted, that means one person would be getting a free 3-mil gil item and the other 16 people would get squat.
I actually thought that an 80/20 split would be equitable. That way all items would be sold and 80% would go to the person running the KS99. The rest would then be split amongst the other alliance members. If you got 10mil worth of items, each person who helped out would get ~117k for a couple hours of work and the person who ran it would get 8mil. It seems like a big discrepency, but they have the most to lose...by far.
I dunno, things with money are a touchy issue, so my opinion may be a little biased. Has anyone else here done a KS99? If so, how did it work out with the distribution?
For example, say an alliance gets 10mil from a KS99 run. If you do a straight split, everyone would get ~550k. However, does it seem right that someone who puts in 2 hours of work (with nothing to lose but exp) will get as much as somoene who puts in months of work? That person will not only lose exp if it's a bust, but they also lose out on all 99 seals and months of farming.
From the other end of the spectrum, if I'm helping someone out it would be nice to get compensated for the time and possible exp loss. I could be out doing other things but instead I'll be spending the next 1-2 hours helping you.
As far as the other option (selecting a couple of items and having the rest be free-lotted) I'm not so certain I'd be okay with that. Say you get drops worth 7mil, 4mil, 3mil, and then some nickel and dime items. Of course the person running the KS99 would choose the first two. If the last were free-lotted, that means one person would be getting a free 3-mil gil item and the other 16 people would get squat.
I actually thought that an 80/20 split would be equitable. That way all items would be sold and 80% would go to the person running the KS99. The rest would then be split amongst the other alliance members. If you got 10mil worth of items, each person who helped out would get ~117k for a couple hours of work and the person who ran it would get 8mil. It seems like a big discrepency, but they have the most to lose...by far.
I dunno, things with money are a touchy issue, so my opinion may be a little biased. Has anyone else here done a KS99? If so, how did it work out with the distribution?
That's pretty much how I felt about the orb holder choose two items and the rest free lot... I dunno though, I read about it a couple months ago, might have missed something.
Anyways, good luck with what yer looking for.
Anyways, good luck with what yer looking for.
i'd say a 50/50 split. the orb holder did the work of getting seals, but an orb is useless with no muscle to help you win.
Yeah, that does seem like a decent option, definately better than an even split. I've found a lot of people do this different ways, so who knows. I only have a few more seals though!
BTW, I just noticed that someone was karma-camping me on this thread. Loser :).
BTW, I just noticed that someone was karma-camping me on this thread. Loser :).
Yes, whatever you do don't give everyone the same amount of money, it's just not worth it. After being through a couple of these, it would seem really unfair to ***** the orb holder over like that. It's just not easy at all. They really need to allow melee's to swing while running they get shafted hard in Horns of War.
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Don't do the 99 unless you want an item from it soph. You'll get 3x more money doing KSNM30 runs (I make about 2-3 mil each run, and you've got enough for 3). Also, if you fail a 99 (which is very possible, as they are fairly hard) you've just lost everything. So, I would advise against it.
Well I'm not super concerned about money. Seals aren't worth anything by themselves and aren't too hard for a rdm to get. While a big part of me wants to do a KS99 for the money, I really want to be able to say "I held a KS99 with my own seals...and won!"
Research good is a key step. Also, you have to have all or most people in on the research material so everyone is on the same page. Thats how most LS doing it anyway, just posting links of Info and comments on the rules of engagement(^^). I really hate to say this, but certain jobs..aren't as effect as others CAN be, I'm not saying they are not needed just a example. I mean you can have the best skilled Drg on Shiva with the best gear, but be powerless to do anything because he/she can't hit the moving mob, which is very unfair. Plus on top of that as you know, you have a time limit which is another limit on DoT jobs. However the reward and experience I must say is very good. These are very fun to be in, good luck to you.
Edited, Mon Sep 26 17:46:56 2005 by Calvern
Edited, Mon Sep 26 17:47:37 2005 by Calvern
Edited, Mon Sep 26 17:46:56 2005 by Calvern
Edited, Mon Sep 26 17:47:37 2005 by Calvern
In my opinion I think that the orb holder should get all the drops, and pay everyone in the mission 100k or more especialy if they died multiple times, depending on how much gil was made.. more gil made more gil given to players that helped. Iteams rare/ex should be given to those who need it and any thing worth useing should be sold to those who helped at a discount.
The player that saved up 99KS should reap the most reward.
Horalis Peak Horns of War, against Chlevnik is somthing I personaly want to do for the RDM only sword Guspiere
The player that saved up 99KS should reap the most reward.
Horalis Peak Horns of War, against Chlevnik is somthing I personaly want to do for the RDM only sword Guspiere
Sort of off topic, but Witty the 75 BLM/RDM (not sure of server) posted a link in the BLM forums to a video of him soloing KS30-Desert Swarm. Truly awesome - I ultimately want to duo this with another BLM once I turn 75 (sometime in the next year or two).
I think if you are taking an alliance, the person sponsoring the event gets the most. I sort of lean toward the 50/50 - 50% for orb holder, 50% split among everyone else. Unless they are all close friends or LS mates and some people might pass on certain things to help their fellow players out if they really need a certain drop. /sigh I wish more people were willing to forgoe a little profit to truly help out someone who needs an item (like erase and utsusemi scrolls), but I guess that is too much to ask.
I think if you are taking an alliance, the person sponsoring the event gets the most. I sort of lean toward the 50/50 - 50% for orb holder, 50% split among everyone else. Unless they are all close friends or LS mates and some people might pass on certain things to help their fellow players out if they really need a certain drop. /sigh I wish more people were willing to forgoe a little profit to truly help out someone who needs an item (like erase and utsusemi scrolls), but I guess that is too much to ask.
Sometimes Lawtech 50/50 in these things is a bad idea, everyone can comfirm that with the recent bad KS30 drop rates...bastards.
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