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#1 May 19 2005 at 1:05 PM Rating: Default
Doing this on every server forum, out of curiousity.
What do your teleports run?

Does 1,000gil Mea, Holla, Dem
2,000gil Altep, Yhoat, Vahuzl
Sound incredibly outrageous?

J/w for reference reasons.

That seems to be the rate on my server. But then again erase costs 700k anymore I think.

-Rhiana
Seraph


Yea our server too ace. But I'm really just curious. :o)
And hi to you too :P

Edited, Thu May 19 15:06:23 2005 by rhianaowns
#2 May 19 2005 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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Heya rhiana :)

Our server is currently suffering from a tele-taxi strike.

It seems most people refuse to pay more then 500/1000 respectivly, and so the tele-taxi's are refusing to tele.

It has gotten so bad, that even me who is more then willing to pay the 100% increase to 1000/2000 has a hard time getting a tele. I include the price in my /sh, and get faster responses then most, but some people shout for a tele for 30 minutes offering 500G. They could have made the extra 500g in 5 minutes just by killing beastmen in roladberry fields. Or even taken a choco or walked in that amount of time.

#3 May 19 2005 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
I usually skip the Taxi's lately. I have the Teleport Rings for that. Although I cannot fighure out why the Teleport Dem ring = 18k, Teleport Mea Ring = 20k, but the Teleport Holla Ring = 80k. So when I need Holla I just use my Tele-Dem ring and Choco across the dunes.

When I actually do need a Teleport for Vazhal, Altep, or Yhoator, I will offer anywhere up to 5k just to get one right away, but I send tells to white mages instead of just shouting. I figure 5k is not really hard to make, and usually when I need to go to one of those places I will make at least 10 fold what I am paying out for the ride there.
#4REDACTED, Posted: May 19 2005 at 2:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just cuz Erase costs 700k is NO damn reason to raise the price that high. Whenever I see someone try to sell expensive Tele's in Jeuno, I change into my WHM and give free Tele's.
#5 May 19 2005 at 2:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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I rarely need teleports. 1) my whm is 43 2) my blm is 68 and I have a dem/mea/yhoat rings.


When I'm bored I do teles but 99% of the time that I'm in Jeuno I'm LFP and at the risk of sounding rude I'm not missing my op for party to make a couple hundred gil.

I know a few whm 36+ and most of them don't do teles often cause there's no gil to be made in it. At regular prices I avg 13k/hour teleporting, personal best of 20k in one hour. I can make 100-300k in 2 1/2 hours of mining depending how many gil sellers steal my mine points and if the mining gods like me or not.
#6 May 19 2005 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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Barch, everything has inflated, the service that WHM's are "Selling", should inflate right along with the economy.

For example, imagine you started working for IBM in 1980. Your salary at that time was 20K a year (which wasnt too bad in 1980). Today you would still be makeing 20K a year, but the economy has inflated 300% since 1980. At 20K a year, you wouldnt even be able to buy your own house in most cities, and good luck getting financing even on a Kia. The current poverty lvl last i heard was 18K a year per household. In 1980 it was probably 8-9K per household.


Why should the WHM's do a service for below poverty lvl pay?


EDIT:

I rated you up rhiana not sure who rated you down, but your even again.





Edited, Thu May 19 15:45:51 2005 by acepod
#7 May 19 2005 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
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I personally just charge a 1k flat fee for all tele's when I do them. And our erase is tipping the 900k mark right now...
#8 May 19 2005 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
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I do teles sometimes but wait for the offers in shouts to be 1k. Sorry guys but if there aren't a lot of shouts and there isn't a lot of money/business for it, I ain't changing into WHM to sit there for nothing.

Oh, and I believe that story about 5k in 5min cuz I once did 500gil X 10 teles in 4minutes.

What?
#9 May 19 2005 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Just a question that might be relevant. Since we have some tele taxis, would it be more or less efficent if they were nation based? Example being if your from Sandy you'd get a free tele from a Sandy mage but if you miss the mage you can always go with a Windy or Bastok mage but then get charged, lets say 250 or 500?


Then again I realize this really isn't good for those who are out there making gil to buy spells and what not.
#10 May 19 2005 at 3:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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And our erase is tipping the 900k mark right now...


Holy crap im glad i got mine a long tiome ago at 280K :)

#11 May 19 2005 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
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And our erase is tipping the 900k mark right now...


I just stopped leveling to farm up 500k, and now it's near 900k? /sigh
As for the prices, I was in a hurry and offered 1k for a tele. The WHM who picked me up, refused my trade. She would not take a gil over 500.
#12 May 19 2005 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
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i'm a lvl 52 whm and i have all the teles but Vazhal (however you spell it)

when i do actually taxi my prices are still 500 for holla, mea, and dem... 1000 for yhoat and altep. That's the way it was when i started ffxi 7 months ago so that's the way i'm gonna keep it. :-) and if you catch me in a good mood i'll do teles for free just cause i'm just that nice! XD
#13 May 19 2005 at 6:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Barch, everything has inflated, the service that WHM's are "Selling", should inflate right along with the economy.

For example, imagine you started working for IBM in 1980. Your salary at that time was 20K a year (which wasnt too bad in 1980). Today you would still be makeing 20K a year, but the economy has inflated 300% since 1980. At 20K a year, you wouldnt even be able to buy your own house in most cities, and good luck getting financing even on a Kia. The current poverty lvl last i heard was 18K a year per household. In 1980 it was probably 8-9K per household.


Why should the WHM's do a service for below poverty lvl pay?


*cough* *********

A WHM can farm, BCNM, and WHM exclusives like Tele and PLing and more. People act like Tele is the only thing a WHM can do to make money. I used to be a WHM/THF camping NMs. WHMS ARE NOT HELPLESS!

Of course things are going up, and you want everything to continue seems like. 1k Tele's to common crags (from Jeuno)is NOT reasonable. I can see if you are in Sandy or Windy and someone wants a Tele. 1K WOULD be an ideal price there since they could get a choco, but they are just trying to save time. That convience SHOULD have a price. Other than that, no. Did you think about the lvl 20 ppl in Qufim, getting back home will be killing the pocket. 1K for a tele and 1-2.5k for a choco at the crag. I can see about Altep and such. Higher lvl ppl have more ways of making money. But to friggin Holla? No. Thats highway robbery. Any WHM greedy, YES, I said GREEDY enough to sell 1k DEM/MEA/HOLLA 'ports needs to have their pooper properly punctured by a Goblin Poacher on the prowl.

And don't compare this game to real life. In real life I can't camp an NM dropping a 500-1mil item. Nor can I go around killing rodents and bugs for jewels. The economy of this game is mainly ran by the people. RL economy has the governments hand in it. Only comparison would be the number of greedy **** trying to get an extra buck.

RATE ME UP FOO

lol

Edited, Thu May 19 19:15:03 2005 by Barchiel
#14 May 19 2005 at 6:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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*cough* BULLsh*t!

A WHM can farm, BCNM, and WHM exclusives like Tele and PLing and more. People act like Tele is the only thing a WHM can do to make money. I used to be a WHM/THF camping NMs. WHMS ARE NOT HELPLESS!

Of course things are going up, and you want everything to continue seems like. 1k Tele's to common crags is NOT reasonable. Did you think about the lvl 20 ppl in Qufim, getting back home will be killing the pocket. 1K for a tele and 1-2.5k for a choco at the crag. I can see about Altep and such. Higher lvl ppl have more ways of making money. But to friggin Holla? No. Thats highway robbery. Any WHM greedy, YES, I said GREEDY enough to sell 1k DEM/MEA/HOLLA 'ports needs to have their pooper properly punctured by a Goblin Poacher on the prowl.

And don't compare this game to real life. In real life I can't camp an NM dropping a 500-1mil item. Nor can I go around killing rodents and bugs for jewels. The economy of this game is mainly ran by the people. RL economy has the governments hand in it. Only comparison would be the number of greedy **** trying to get an extra buck.

RATE ME UP FOO

lol


Gosh it took you a long time to respond FOO.


Your insane.

Your crazy.

No wait i got it your CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!1one eleven111


You speak of the poor quifim souls booo FN hooo. :)

How much were fire crystals worth when you were lvl 20?
Heck even water crystals?

Ill tell ya what they were as far back as i can remeber.

Fire crystals were max on a bad day 1500
Water were on a bad day 300.

So those poor quifim souls you speak of have it much better then you think. What about sleep shrooms? Used to be 800-1K whats the going price? up to 5K !!!!!!!!!!

Wait something else every newb can farm. Beehive chips, or honey. Ohh how about yag necklases? What about silk?
How about sheep skins/hides
What about hare FN meat have you checked the price lately?

Dont whine to me that the lower lvl players cant handle the price and its highway robbery, there makeing a killing compared to when we were newbs. You know how much everything has inflated? I would guess 200%. Prolly a low guess, but well use that as an example. You know how much tele prices were when i first started? 500 gil and 1000 gil respectivly.

One part of an economy cant inflate while another does not. The "Other" will colapse. This is true for "ANY" economy, game or real life.

Forgot to add that the choco prices are now higher then ive ever seen. Those poor quifim people you speak of, are paying 3 x's that amount for a crag chocobo EVERY TIME!!

PS im pokeing at you a little for fun, and a rate up for finally responding.





Edited, Thu May 19 19:25:14 2005 by acepod
#15REDACTED, Posted: May 19 2005 at 8:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sorry it took me so long to respond, lol. I guess I was doing other things, eh? lol. Anyway, I can understand your point, but I still don't agree. Thing go up and down all the time. Some things stay up cuz ppl MAKE it the norm. And about your PS, I dont believe it. I think you are out for blood. But you know what, I got something to tell you. Come closer, a little closer. Let me whisper it in your ear...
#16 May 19 2005 at 10:14 PM Rating: Decent
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i wouldn t mind the increase,but id just want more tele taxi around. and when for example party are waiting for me in place like valley of sorrow, i offer between 2-5k just to get a tele faster.
#17 May 20 2005 at 1:25 AM Rating: Good
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You can always do what i did... help out a bunch of WHM with AF ect.ect. and get free teles for life. >.>
#18 May 20 2005 at 3:42 AM Rating: Decent
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What do your teleports run?


I wouldn't know. 48 whm with all the 'ports. And I don't chrage. I do sometimes take tips though. But I don't tele just anyone, either.

Friends get them free - if I'm not busy.

Other people get them if I'm on my whm and not really doing anything (read: playing the AH or doing some crafting) and my homepoint is where I curretnly am. Oh, and I don't respond to /sh. You have to ask me to tele you, nicely. None of this, "Dem plz," stuff, either.

People who /sh for Holla and they're in Sandy don't get a tele, no matter what the price. They can walk the 2 zones or get a bird for cheeper.

Hiya Ace! I got my Erase for 280k too! It's so sad to see the price so high. If I ever get back into BCNMing I'll set my Erases up for 300k. Though people never seem to try to pay for anything that low anymore... (sold a stack of cotten at my usual price: 5k, only to check the price history and see it had jumped to 10k! And you know what? I got a full 10k, not 5, not 7, not 8 or 9k...)

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There's a lotta ways to make money, lvl yer dang THF. That's what I did when I was a WHM. Your money income shouldn't just be based off your job...it should be your character. Level multiple jobs. I remember being a WHM when I just got Tele-Holla Scroll(old story). Only Tele I had but I made 5k in 5min, and I was a rookie 'porter.


If that's true then with so much money you certanlly would have no trouble at all paying higher prices for teles, now would you?
#19 May 20 2005 at 8:54 AM Rating: Default
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And about your PS, I dont believe it. I think you are out for blood.


Oh come now Barch, i was just ruffling the feathers a bit lol.

#20 May 20 2005 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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There's a lotta ways to make money, lvl yer dang THF. That's what I did when I was a WHM. Your money income shouldn't just be based off your job...it should be your character. Level multiple jobs. I remember being a WHM when I just got Tele-Holla Scroll(old story). Only Tele I had but I made 5k in 5min, and I was a rookie 'porter.

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If that's true then with so much money you certanlly would have no trouble at all paying higher prices for teles, now would you?


I'm talking about the WHM, not me. No, I don't "need" your tele. I have a WHM. WHM's will not be breaking anyone's heart not Tele'ing to common crags, it's mainly the 1K crags like Altep that is really worth the money.

If you are going to quote me, make sure you read what I say and reply with a point. Greedy WHM sniotch. lol. May you be trained by a 1000 Quadav Warriors.
#21 May 20 2005 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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If you are going to quote me, make sure you read what I say and reply with a point


I did make a point, you just missed it. :p

If it is so easy to make money as a character (as you said) then who would have trouble paying for inflated tele prices?

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And I don't chrage. I do sometimes take tips though


And this makes me greedy? O.o
#22 May 20 2005 at 2:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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First of all IT"S FRIDAY!!!!! YIPEEEEEE


Here's my two cents:

Teleports are are not a 'necessity' nor are they part of the TOS created by FFXI regarding the WHM job description.

Teleports are a 'service' provided by WHM who either offer their service for a fee, offer their service free of charge, offer their service to those who are friends only, or people who happen to be in their exp. parties - or non or all of the above.

Now comes the fun part! The 'consumer'. The consumer is not obligated to use the services of the Teleport whm at all! The consumer can walk, run, ride a choco, take an airship, or use outpost teleports - or they can use a combination of all of the above.

Whether or not they are in a hurry, might depend on how much they choose to spend to get where they are going. Example: One night I stood in Jeuno for 20 minutes shouting for a Teleport for my sub. Finally after a time and as a gesture of good will, I ran back in and changed back to whm, ran out and teleported several people where they needed to go FREE! Then I took an airship to Windy, ran through Tahrongi and Bub. and took ship to Selbina to get to the Dunes.

Was I mad because nobody in Jeuno would tele me? Nope. I simply made alternative travel arrangements.

It is not the responsibility of any WHM to answer my shouts for teleports!

It is not the responsibility of any THF to answer shouts for treasure coffer lock picking......increased drop rates for paper for LB1, keys for coffer, chests

It is not the responsibility of any NIN or PLD to answer shouts for help killing Shadowlord, Dark Spark or Quadavs for mission ranks.

However; after shouting for some time for help with Eldieme Tavnazian Bell hunt; I offered 30k reward and was answered immediately by a PLD who not long after helped me get my Bell.

Does that make the PLD greedy? lazy?

IMO no siree! It makes the PLD 30k richer and makes me one step closer to achieving my goal. We both went away happy.

So blaming WHM for being greedy, lazy, or any other adjective that relates to WHM cooperation or skillset, I believe only inflames this subject which shouldn't be a problem to begin with!

I would ask that you consider those times that you are crafting, setting up parties, checking AH, chatting with ls friends, or ppl on your friends list - do you/would you entertain shouts and tells from people asking you to provide whatever job ablity or trait might benefit them 'that moment'??
Just because WHM don't respond to tells doesn't mean they don't have other things they are taking care of atm - or maybe even they just plain don't fee like it!

I would just like to say, for those who think or say that WHM are greedy and lazy: Anyone around Jeuno who knows me well, also know that when it comes to Teleports, in general, I go above and beyond to help out - many times FREE OF CHARGE!

And honestly guys - this stuff just amazes me! This is a game and yet we're all reduced to getting frustrated, angry and resentful with each other which is sad .


Just my two gil!

Femwhispers
Shiva - Rank 6
WHM60 BLM30 RDM34
BRD18 SMN09
#23 May 20 2005 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Well said Fem.

One of the main reasons I leveled whm was to tele my own fat lazy *** to the craigs. The other reason being of course to sub on my nuke happy blm's fat lazy ***.


Tele price arguements are totally moot and irrelevant to reality.


First of all, as said by others, Tele-Taxi services are services rendered by the whm by choice only.

Second of all, the teleporter has the right to charge what he/she wishes. After all, the whm is the one tele'ing and has the right to set the price.

Third, you as a consumer of tele-taxi services have the right to shop around. Shout for tele, get pt invite, teleporter says 5k for Mea. Now you must decide is this worth the service? If you don't like the price, politely or rudely (hingent upon yer personal attitude) decline to pay, disband and start shouting again.

Some whm feel that their easiest and safest method of farming gil is to farm people. They are likely to be the ones charging higher prices.

Those of us who can tele-taxi with alternate methods of gil making are likely to charge less or nothing at all.

Are the higher priced teleporters greedy? Maybe. But, we all know e'erything's raising in price. Are the lower priced teleporters stupid or dense for charging lower prices? Maybe. But that's our business.

So Shiva, don't like the price? Shop somewhere else or level yer own whm.

'Nuff Said!
#24 May 20 2005 at 4:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nobody can tell a WHM how much to charge for a tele, be it for a higher price or a lower price.

We will tele people when we feel like it.

We will tele people at a rate we see fit.

Why is that so hard for some people to understand? How is this different from people accepting 50, 60, 70K for Lich Paper or whatever? A MNK sees that 50K is worth the trouble of hitting up a few Liches, so he replies to the shout. Money is exchanged, done deal.

Similarly, if a WHM sees a shout that is worth it to us, we will teleport.

Along those lines, you will have some nice folks that will help you get the Lich paper for free, just like you will find WHM (like Fem) that will tele you for free.

I have never had lack of teleporters - I offer 1000g to main teles. I pay 1500g when I want to be teleported ASAP - I don't have to wait for the WHM to gather all 5 to teleport. It's well worth it for me.

I pay extra for traveling in Business or First Class IRL (cuz it's that much better) - if extra 1000g gets me prompt, courteous service, along with a free sneak/invis, Protect and Shell on my way to the Dunes as a lowbie on my second job? - it's that much better.
#25 May 21 2005 at 6:18 AM Rating: Decent
I typically do them for 500 gil or donations. I remember what it was like not being able to get a tele myself. Ive had someone give me as much as 20k for a tele before but no more then 500 is required:)
#26 May 26 2005 at 3:11 AM Rating: Decent
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i first leveled Whm when i started FFXI, currently at level 50, and changed to pld and now 58.

Firstly. as a WHM since i was able to get teleport spells i have had them all. I have charged 500 gil for dem,holla,mea and 1000gil for vazhl, altepa, yhoat.

and thats how it should stay. Barchel is also spot on.. Teleporting is not there only source of income, whm's can farm.. whm's can do a trade, whm's can NM camp. Infact Whm's are the only job with the luxury of making fast money.. so why the hell complain about prices being too low..

what really pisses me off is whm complaining about well its this and this on ifrit server and this and that on buhamut server. I frankly dont give 2 ****'s about the other servers this is Shiva.

The greed of our server is ever flowing, through increased prices in AH, and Teleports raising and i am not liking it one bit. What ever happened to the good ol days when people didnt ask for 100k to go hunt for a coffer key. No body wants to help out others anymore unless they get something out of it.. Maybe some people are like that, but what goes around comes around, be an ******* and people will be back to you simple.

I charge 500 for regular teleports 1000 for others. I will never change my ways, and I expect that what i charged others, they should charge me back. Paying more and they can go get stuffed.

WHM who say the prices are too low to make money.. please dont give me that ********* Through teleporting i have made over 800,000 gil with the original 500 gil for dem, mea, holla and 1000 for vazhl, altep, yhoat. and this would be in about a month. ( not 1 month playtime, 1 month real life )

Nowadays these not many people teleporting in Shiva and its quite a shame. The next excuse someone might give me is saying well thats because they dont charge high enough.. no. Teleport tho as easy the gil is to come by, it is terribly boring. I'd much rather camp a NM or go farming to have some slight bit of entertainment.

The increased encomy why not increase prices, im sorry thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard in my life. acepod.

on any given day, id normally make about 20,000 gil within a couple of minutes. 30-40 minutes on average. but sometimes you may get lucky and get a 5 party to vazhl, which happens frequnetly. and end up making 20,000 in about 5-10 minutes. WHM make a lot with the old scheme. it should stay the way it used to be.

I would never take a teleport if it werent the original prices. If not, i'd run to where i had to go and farm along the way and make even more money.

Death to greedy mages.
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