um, if this game opened up in the African Continent, and someone made an "African only LS", people would find that racist. so why make a LS that excludes japanese and americans?
such a simple concept, but noone said anything about sanu's UK Only LS. *shrugs shoulders*
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Racism deals with race, so a UK only LS isn't racism.
It's nationism :)
Seriously though, it's a LS, it's not a public group, it's private, and as a LS owner, you can have whoever you want in it.
It's nationism :)
Seriously though, it's a LS, it's not a public group, it's private, and as a LS owner, you can have whoever you want in it.
making local LS is just easier to organise events.
if you mix US and UK together, you can't really organise things. US evening is sleeping time of UK, when UK prime time is US morning which most ppl are sleeping XD
if you mix US and UK together, you can't really organise things. US evening is sleeping time of UK, when UK prime time is US morning which most ppl are sleeping XD
Hmmmm. Interesting point Grimshady, I had never really thought of our LS as racist, but I can see how it may be construed as that.
However, I am sure there are JP & NA only LS's on Shiva, aswell as LS's that are for like minded people (the wiccan LS) springs to mind, or LS's for the new European startups that are specifically for players whose native language is not English.
(French, Spanish, German, Finnish LS?), maybe even East Coast/West Coast for NA LS's.(again due to timing)
Would these LS's also be considered racist? or just for people who speak the same language, share the same culture, views, time-zone, and can participate about non FF chat on topics that they all understand can relate to. eg. did you see the footie (soccer)on Saturday, I thought Liverpool, were outclassed by Man. Utd.
The original reason for starting this LS was Time zone based, with a lot of already established LS's doing missions/Dynamis/Promyvion/quests/Garrison that would start when it was midnight/1 a.m. in the UK. making it hard to participate in these without being a serious insomniac.
This was why the LS was started, that and because a lot of the members joined at the same time and became fast friends in the early levels.
Thankyou for your time and your opinion, I am interested to know whether the above has clarified our position, or perhaps will perhaps make you reconsider your original post.
Edited, Mon Jan 17 11:12:43 2005 by lilsnag
However, I am sure there are JP & NA only LS's on Shiva, aswell as LS's that are for like minded people (the wiccan LS) springs to mind, or LS's for the new European startups that are specifically for players whose native language is not English.
(French, Spanish, German, Finnish LS?), maybe even East Coast/West Coast for NA LS's.(again due to timing)
Would these LS's also be considered racist? or just for people who speak the same language, share the same culture, views, time-zone, and can participate about non FF chat on topics that they all understand can relate to. eg. did you see the footie (soccer)on Saturday, I thought Liverpool, were outclassed by Man. Utd.
The original reason for starting this LS was Time zone based, with a lot of already established LS's doing missions/Dynamis/Promyvion/quests/Garrison that would start when it was midnight/1 a.m. in the UK. making it hard to participate in these without being a serious insomniac.
This was why the LS was started, that and because a lot of the members joined at the same time and became fast friends in the early levels.
Thankyou for your time and your opinion, I am interested to know whether the above has clarified our position, or perhaps will perhaps make you reconsider your original post.
Edited, Mon Jan 17 11:12:43 2005 by lilsnag
Grimshaddy,
I can sort of understand why you think that it may be racist, but that was not my intentions when i created the LS. I created the UK LS so that i had people who are in the same time zone....so i could party with them, do quests etc as they would "normally" be on at the same time as me as that makes it just so much easier. So no the LS was not created to be racist towards everyone else....i agree with Lilsnag (and not because he is in my LS) but i have seen NA only LS, JP only LS so i dont see how a UK LS is any different as they probbaly created it for the same reasons that i did...the time zones!
If say a JP player is looking for a pty and does not want to pty with NA or UK is he/she being racist then? No of course they are not they want to pty with JP as they speak the same language, same time zones!
Hopefully this should change your mind and understand why it was created
Edited, Mon Jan 17 11:46:00 2005 by Sanumanu
I can sort of understand why you think that it may be racist, but that was not my intentions when i created the LS. I created the UK LS so that i had people who are in the same time zone....so i could party with them, do quests etc as they would "normally" be on at the same time as me as that makes it just so much easier. So no the LS was not created to be racist towards everyone else....i agree with Lilsnag (and not because he is in my LS) but i have seen NA only LS, JP only LS so i dont see how a UK LS is any different as they probbaly created it for the same reasons that i did...the time zones!
If say a JP player is looking for a pty and does not want to pty with NA or UK is he/she being racist then? No of course they are not they want to pty with JP as they speak the same language, same time zones!
Hopefully this should change your mind and understand why it was created
Edited, Mon Jan 17 11:46:00 2005 by Sanumanu
/poke
just getting you all worked up *wink*
just getting you all worked up *wink*
/poke
lol....you didnt get me worked up, lol. You must have too much time on your hands j/k lol :-P
lol....you didnt get me worked up, lol. You must have too much time on your hands j/k lol :-P
lol.
Then you could call KKG and other race only ls' racist.
UK only ls is just a 'gathering' of people in the uk. I'm from the UK, and.. hmm, i hang out in HoCD 99.9% of my time. LS like this don't upset me in anyway, if there was a 'NA' only ls, i still can't see how i'd be upsetted. I'm sure there are plenty japanese, french, german etc only LS' also, just they would be limited on our old server.
A LS has rules to get in, some say lvl 60+, somesay mithra only, some say galka only, some say fishing only... etc. So why -not- EU only?
IMO we shouldn't discuss to deeply about this. Because it will turn into a pointless flame thread eventually directed at random people who actually 'OWN' these ls', as it already has in a way.
I just can't see a reason to say how EU or UK LS' are bad, lol.
Then you could call KKG and other race only ls' racist.
UK only ls is just a 'gathering' of people in the uk. I'm from the UK, and.. hmm, i hang out in HoCD 99.9% of my time. LS like this don't upset me in anyway, if there was a 'NA' only ls, i still can't see how i'd be upsetted. I'm sure there are plenty japanese, french, german etc only LS' also, just they would be limited on our old server.
A LS has rules to get in, some say lvl 60+, somesay mithra only, some say galka only, some say fishing only... etc. So why -not- EU only?
IMO we shouldn't discuss to deeply about this. Because it will turn into a pointless flame thread eventually directed at random people who actually 'OWN' these ls', as it already has in a way.
I just can't see a reason to say how EU or UK LS' are bad, lol.
My first double post....
Edited, Mon Jan 17 13:03:04 2005 by Tomlionhart
Edited, Mon Jan 17 13:03:04 2005 by Tomlionhart
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The kittykatgang has been up for a while and that's definetly racist. So just from my opinion, no offence, it sounds like you have something against uk people.
hehe i have nothing against UK, Sanu's LS, or even midgits.
i simply wanted to get people worked up a tad, and it worked. thanks :D
i simply wanted to get people worked up a tad, and it worked. thanks :D
i find japanese player saying japanese only party far more racist than say a UK only ls...
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There's no way that a UK only LS is racist. With the time difference between the US JP and UK it would be hard to organize LS events. Plus if you don't like it....create your own LS :)
"hehe i have nothing against UK, Sanu's LS, or even midgits.
i simply wanted to get people worked up a tad, and it worked. thanks :D "
If the topic has no reason except to annoy people, wtf did you post it? lol. It wasn't even a 'good' wind up :P. It's like some Galka creating a HNM LS for Moogles-only, doesn't make much sense.
...
So, wanna help me create a moogle-only LS? I'm an Elvaan.. so maybe it should be Dhamel-only.. thoughts?
i simply wanted to get people worked up a tad, and it worked. thanks :D "
If the topic has no reason except to annoy people, wtf did you post it? lol. It wasn't even a 'good' wind up :P. It's like some Galka creating a HNM LS for Moogles-only, doesn't make much sense.
...
So, wanna help me create a moogle-only LS? I'm an Elvaan.. so maybe it should be Dhamel-only.. thoughts?
Tomlionhart wrote:
"hehe i have nothing against UK, Sanu's LS, or even midgits.
i simply wanted to get people worked up a tad, and it worked. thanks :D "
If the topic has no reason except to annoy people, wtf did you post it? lol. It wasn't even a 'good' wind up :P. It's like some Galka creating a HNM LS for Moogles-only, doesn't make much sense.
...
So, wanna help me create a moogle-only LS? I'm an Elvaan.. so maybe it should be Dhamel-only.. thoughts?
I'd be in but I'm a Taru . . . we're just here to get punted.
lol d(^.^)b
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LMAO. An 'UK-only' LS considered to be a 'racist' concept? How droll! How un-informed! How deliciously Yank! ^^ You DO realise that the notion of 'UK' EMBRACES multi-ethnicities? You do realise that 'UK' is a multi-racial concept not equivalent to 'US' but to 'NA'?
Now if it was,say, an ENGLISH-only--no-scotch/welshies/micks-allowed-not-to-mention-those-silly-yanks-LS, well, then mayhap one might possibly and theoretically have a point about the potentially racist nature of said LS, I daresay!
Oh, yeh. Grim? Just to refresh your memory and dispel the myths that Texas publishes in its High School history texts, WE abolished slavery before YOU did. Cheers!
Now if it was,say, an ENGLISH-only--no-scotch/welshies/micks-allowed-not-to-mention-those-silly-yanks-LS, well, then mayhap one might possibly and theoretically have a point about the potentially racist nature of said LS, I daresay!
Oh, yeh. Grim? Just to refresh your memory and dispel the myths that Texas publishes in its High School history texts, WE abolished slavery before YOU did. Cheers!
i read these posts.... You people read way too much into things. I am Xellith I live in England. I have been playing since March 19th 2004. I have a job now working nights.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THIS GAME DOES TO YOU IF YOU HAVE TO STAY AWAKE UNTIL 9AM IN THE MORNING YOUR TIME TO GET SOMETHING DONE WITH YOUR LS?!?!?
ITS FRIKEN ANNOYING!!!1one!1one!11!!!1!one!!
I got a job working nights just to be able to pt in US time as the only people on at 9am my time were JP's and about 1% of the rest were americans. meaning little or no parties for me.
Now with the EU release i could pt my time or any time really.
LS's are Clubs. Some clubs have requirements. Some say you have to be level 60+. some say you have to speak english. Some say you have to be galka. Some say you have to be Mithra... WHO HONESTLY GIVES A /TOSS!!
and to answer your question "UK Only = racist?" the answer = no it is not. UK means everyone in the UK timezone and the UK itself including ireland. This means any chinese people in the UK, and black people, any white people any japanese can join as they are british really. British meaning lives in the UK and in 99% of cases born here too.
If you wanna join a UK only LS then move to the UK and change your nationality to English instead of american or something. There is nothing stopping you. GO! DO IT NOW!
Im not shouting here (lol) the fact of the matter is i had a bad day at work (i work nights remember and its like 4am est which is 9am gmt) and im a lot grouchy... ima gonna go sleep now.
And Linkshells that have certain requirements like character race if your a hume and wanna join KKG then go make a mithra. if you wanna get into that level 60+ LS then level your *** off. stop whining and making things appear more than they are.
Note: i cant even remember what i wrote above so im just gonna click post and see what happens.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THIS GAME DOES TO YOU IF YOU HAVE TO STAY AWAKE UNTIL 9AM IN THE MORNING YOUR TIME TO GET SOMETHING DONE WITH YOUR LS?!?!?
ITS FRIKEN ANNOYING!!!1one!1one!11!!!1!one!!
I got a job working nights just to be able to pt in US time as the only people on at 9am my time were JP's and about 1% of the rest were americans. meaning little or no parties for me.
Now with the EU release i could pt my time or any time really.
LS's are Clubs. Some clubs have requirements. Some say you have to be level 60+. some say you have to speak english. Some say you have to be galka. Some say you have to be Mithra... WHO HONESTLY GIVES A /TOSS!!
and to answer your question "UK Only = racist?" the answer = no it is not. UK means everyone in the UK timezone and the UK itself including ireland. This means any chinese people in the UK, and black people, any white people any japanese can join as they are british really. British meaning lives in the UK and in 99% of cases born here too.
If you wanna join a UK only LS then move to the UK and change your nationality to English instead of american or something. There is nothing stopping you. GO! DO IT NOW!
Im not shouting here (lol) the fact of the matter is i had a bad day at work (i work nights remember and its like 4am est which is 9am gmt) and im a lot grouchy... ima gonna go sleep now.
And Linkshells that have certain requirements like character race if your a hume and wanna join KKG then go make a mithra. if you wanna get into that level 60+ LS then level your *** off. stop whining and making things appear more than they are.
Note: i cant even remember what i wrote above so im just gonna click post and see what happens.
Big rate up to all my fellow Brits!
I own a UK only LS on Ragnarok, we've been going for over a year now I think. We used to be called BritishGeezers, but we've changed to MadeInTheUK. I know all these points have been made already, but sod it, I'll do it again anyway :p
The idea of a UK-only linkshell being racist is totally absurd, for starters we have one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world. We don't ask for birth certificates, real life names or photos or anything, we have forty members and I can guarantee we have a mixture of Brits with Asian, Oriental, African backgrounds etc. I myself am coloured with an African background for one. If we were a white-only UK linkshell, then we'd be racist. Or members of the BNP.
Secondly, we accept anyone who lives in the UK regardless of their nationality. It's a time-zone thang. We started up so we wouldn't have to sit up until the early hours of the morning to get English-speaking parties. Not that I only party with English-speakers, some of the best parties I've ever had have been five Japanese-only speakers and me. ^^
Thirdly, it's nice to be able to talk about football instead of soccer, discuss pie & mash and be able to say "I'm going afk to smoke a ***" without everyone thinking you're off out to shoot homosexual people. ;)
Anyway, fair play to Sanu and the other Brits on Shiva, keep the flag flying lads and ladies :)
Edited, Tue Jan 18 11:06:53 2005 by FunksterJar
I own a UK only LS on Ragnarok, we've been going for over a year now I think. We used to be called BritishGeezers, but we've changed to MadeInTheUK. I know all these points have been made already, but sod it, I'll do it again anyway :p
The idea of a UK-only linkshell being racist is totally absurd, for starters we have one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world. We don't ask for birth certificates, real life names or photos or anything, we have forty members and I can guarantee we have a mixture of Brits with Asian, Oriental, African backgrounds etc. I myself am coloured with an African background for one. If we were a white-only UK linkshell, then we'd be racist. Or members of the BNP.
Secondly, we accept anyone who lives in the UK regardless of their nationality. It's a time-zone thang. We started up so we wouldn't have to sit up until the early hours of the morning to get English-speaking parties. Not that I only party with English-speakers, some of the best parties I've ever had have been five Japanese-only speakers and me. ^^
Thirdly, it's nice to be able to talk about football instead of soccer, discuss pie & mash and be able to say "I'm going afk to smoke a ***" without everyone thinking you're off out to shoot homosexual people. ;)
Anyway, fair play to Sanu and the other Brits on Shiva, keep the flag flying lads and ladies :)
Edited, Tue Jan 18 11:06:53 2005 by FunksterJar
discuss pie and mash?
i thought fish n chips is the national dish :D
i thought fish n chips is the national dish :D
FunksterJar wrote:
be able to say "I'm going afk to smoke a ***" without everyone thinking you're off out to shoot homosexual people.
Fantastic .... the tears are rolling down my cheeks... ROFL
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The LS might not be racist, but Shanaleonhart is
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However, I am sure there are JP & NA only LS's on Shiva, aswell as LS's that are for like minded people (the wiccan LS)
LOL, I just thought it was cool that my LS got mentioned in this post.
Just for the record though, my LS isn't just for Wiccans. In fact there are only 3 of us (that I'm aware of that are Wiccan), but I can certainly understand why someone would set up an exclusive LS.
/wave from everyone on the Wiccancircle LS
Salvation
triple post sorry about that ^^
Edited, Tue Jan 18 17:21:15 2005 by salvationinpurgatory
Edited, Tue Jan 18 17:21:15 2005 by salvationinpurgatory
wow, my internet at work was being really slow
Edited, Tue Jan 18 17:28:56 2005 by salvationinpurgatory
Edited, Tue Jan 18 17:28:56 2005 by salvationinpurgatory
Hey Salvation,
I regularly spend hours at "work" browsing the forums of alla, so yes i have seen some of your posts, although i was never sure of the make up of your LS.
/waves back to Wiccancircle LS :)
Edited, Tue Jan 18 13:16:39 2005 by lilsnag
I regularly spend hours at "work" browsing the forums of alla, so yes i have seen some of your posts, although i was never sure of the make up of your LS.
/waves back to Wiccancircle LS :)
Edited, Tue Jan 18 13:16:39 2005 by lilsnag
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**** off whoever you are from CoD LS. Your pathetic attmepts to cuss me really aren't getting you anywhere, it's just proving how childish and small minded you really are and you cant even admit who you are.. what a coward, lol.
(First ever post on allakazham, kinda sucks that it has to be like that but oh well some people are just morons >_<)
(First ever post on allakazham, kinda sucks that it has to be like that but oh well some people are just morons >_<)
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