Cooking prices/wtf are crafters thinking?Follow

I would like to start by saying I farm nearlly everything I use for cooking. That said, I'd like everyone to take a look at Shiva's AH and ********* the next cook you find. It's fairly well established that 'kabobs are a cooks bread and butter, at least they used to be. If one were to craft exclusivly from AH/npc vendor produce your numbers, as of 12/19/04 in San D'Oria, would look like this.

Meat: 1583
Onion: 400
Garlic: 84
Pepper 112
total price for a stack: 4358, not including the crystal(remember, 2 synths to a stack now). Current price on kabobs? 4000. Sure the E.R. prices are skyrocketing, but apparently level 60 cooking isn't enough to make chiefkabobs anymore on a firesday, I personally haven't seen anyone craft them since the update.

Now, I realize the update's still fairly new, and my thief farming partner just got TH2, but I've noticed the drop rate on meat skyrocketing, yet the price on it has not budged. I haven't gone out for onions in a while, but I imagine they bumpped the drop rate on that up a bit as well.

Also, I haven't made apple pies in a while, but I'm fairly confident they cost more than 1k to make a stack, and as of yet I've not seen a mob drop a faire apple.

So do all servers have this problem? Am I the only one who's noticed these numbers? I'm hoping somewhere, in a eutopian land, the farmers aren't making more than the people who spent time leveling a craft.

To achieve an HQ rate of 50% or higher (which equals more Chieks than mitha's) you need to be 50-51 levels above the recipe caps. Some say 50, others say more than 50, which is 51+. That said, you need minimum level 88 cooking skill to HQ these for good money now. Im actually glad you now lose money on the HQ Kabob synthesis, because now cooking is like all other crafts where you have to risk money on a "non-HQ=lose money/HQ=gain money" scenario. Amemit Mantles are like 30k, Amemit Skins are quite more costly than that, but the HQ sells for somewhere in the 600,000-1,000,000 range (I havent checked in almost 2 months on this item). So you either lose 50-100k for a Non HQ or HQ and make 300k. Meat Kabobs are now the same way, just not as much of a dramatic risk.

In regards to the post about normal snyths being standard in all crafts, I'd like to mention something a friend of mine discovered in goldsmithing. Not to give too much away, this item costs aprox. 14k to synth, and sells to npc vendors for aprox 18k, depending on fame. I understand the materials are a bit hard to come by, so it is limited. To my knowledge the closest equivalent cooking has is pet food for a 20-100gil profit/shot, unless the people leveling cooking decided to take a loss on those lower levels and allowed the prices to rise on the meat.

I can't agree with Emeryl more, cooking was a blast, no special tools needed, no hunting for trees, mining spots, ect. Deffiently the easiest craft to pick up. That said, I'm shifting gears to something a little more controllable, like fishing. Maybe I'll even work on lowering the price on kabob meat for those sticking it out.

why exactly are people bent out of shape about things?
if this is more residual complaints about the december update, please try to see the benefits behind the food restructuring.

regardless of whether or not kabobs are the "bread and butter" of a cook is beside the point... it means that the entire craft is supported by a small handful of items and thats not good.
there is a huge variety in other things and to explore those other food items is a great idea and a wonderful chance for anyone that is a cook to tap into other forms of money making

i'm still pretty unsure of what Inverno is complaining about

First of all, aren't you yourself a cook? Shouldn't you be ************* yourself? Didn't you make mention of level 60 something cooking?
Furthermore, you said you farm... so what's the issue here? What do you care what the AH costs are if you are farming everything? You should be making almost pure profit then.
Also are you complaining about the cost of ingredients or the finished product?
If you are complaining about the cost of ingredients, well don't go slapping and blaming cooks for that... as a cook i would not sell ingredients i intend to use later, its only logical and don't understand why other cooks would be doing that either.
Seeing as how you get half as much as you used to per regular synth, i would expect the prices to at least double.
The people setting prices for these ingredients are not likely to be other cooks, more pure farmers.
Additionally, what cook does not garden? Let me rephrase that, what cook has complaints about the cost of things if he gardens?
You can grow everything you need except the meat... hell you can even grow fire crystals... what does that cost? It costs the going rate of the meat and some seeds. Garden everything and farm your meat, almost 0 cost, almost 100% profit


is your complaint more against the farmers?

to anyone that complains about the cost of finished goods, really the people in control here are the buyers, demand will determine price and if demand is willing to pay high prices, then they will logically continue, sellers will sell as much as buyers are willing to pay, if you want something to be cheaper, boycot and drive the prices down.

and to Shinkyu
don't charge less for your cockatrice meat, you are doing yourself a disservice by doing so
1 person cannot set the price when there are hundreds of others in the market, don't bother trying

Edited, Wed Dec 29 10:10:20 2004 by jetrodding