EK - Give Me A BreakFollow

Alright...

I read the post by Lienna and Ryuniores reaction. Apparently, I am to blame for the SOB and EK merger Debacle.

1. I told Ryunniore many times that SOB had alot of members. I mean many times. She told me it was no problem and for her to play stupid like she had no idea about what was going on is sad. I told her the amount of people in SOB and I also told her that when I got the pearl I was going to add people from SOB to EK. Also, two days after I had been inviting people she gave Rabbai a peal sack to help add more people. If she wanted a slow deliberate addition of SOB people she did not mention it or act like it.
2. After I had added a bunch of people to EK I got a tell from a guy named Dashuto. Dashuto is a sackholder in EK. He was upset about all the people being added to the EK. He said there is no way Ryun would give me a pearlsack and add new members without telling him first. He accused me of hacking into EK and making a pearlsack and then randomly inviting people. He threatened to break every new persons pearl. Apparently, her highness Ryun did not even take the time to inform the other sackholders in her ls about what was going on. At this point I was upset but tried to calm down Dashuto and explained what was going on.
3. After all the SOB people got invited to the new linkshell Dashuto states that he is still going to run background checks on the new players and if neccessary kick those unworthly of being in EK. At this point I am starting to get upset. I did a "background check" on Dashuto and 4 out of 5 people said he was a moron and to ignore him. My interaction with Dashuto was frustrating, but he seemed and I still believe a very nice guy. I don't care what others think about a person - I make my judgements based on my own experiences. The problem is that he was freaking out all the SOB members and I was getting lots of tells about it. I told everyone it was okay and to give EK a chance. I sent a tell to Ryun and she stated it was fine and saw nothing wrong with giving people a fresh start.
4. Now I told everyone the rules. I also told everyone to go check the website to get more information. If someone elected to not follow the rules and they get kicked it is there problem. The problem was the lack of class in kicking people. Players starting getting kicked from the linkshell and did not know why they got kicked. Apparently, the leadership of EK just booted people without telling them why. Other then being completely spineless and unfair I did not believe it at first. I ask a few sackholders in the linkshell and they never responded.
5. The last straw was when a SOB memeber had a disagreement with a EK sackholder. The sackholder sent him a tell stating "Know your Place" and to shut up. At this point I was disgusted with the way these guys treated people.
6. I started to get tells from people (many SOB people) stating the linkshell was horrid. They listed off complaints and problems. Said the sackholders were unfair and talked down to them. I really did not know what to do because I really wanted this thing to work. EK can do great things and I felt like if we just gave them a chance we could do great things together.
7. After many complaints, people getting kicked by sackholders without tells first, threats of being kicked if you dont pass a background check (from a guy who failed the one I did on him), rude comments, and other nonsense I decided it was time to leave.

I read the thread that Lienna started. She was honest. There are many other people who share that same story but in different ways. The truth is I dont care what level someone is. I dont care what ls someone is in. I dont care how uber someones equipment is. I care whether someone is nice, honest, fair, and fun to be around. These are the requirements I use to judge people.

Thank god I am not a "True Knight" and a member of EK. I consider this is a compliment.

kruger,
sigh... where to start.
promyvion - holla, im at the bcnm entrance ready to go inside
i got a /tell from krugerwill, and old friend who i remember from doing bastok m7-1 with.
he told me he and a few other members of slumsofbabylon were intrested in joining us.
7 members... krugerwill, janessa, malystryx, zephyrus, cueball, therock and rabbai.
i told him i was about to enter the bcnm and had to go to work soon, i told him id discuss it with the other leaders and asked them how they thought of letting these ppl join.
the next day i told ryunoire, and she contacted u and told u our rules. u asked if it was possible to let more ppl join and ryu told u they could join IF they agreed with all of our rules.
our rules arent that strict if u compare it to other hnmls rules.
yes, i agree with it when u say we dont have the same rules as a chatls, but thats only cus we are NOT a chatls.

one of the main rules is to wear our ls as main ls, and dont have any other hnmls's.
we spend time and effort on our ppl, help them get the items and equips they want, isnt it normal to expect them to at least be in the ls so we could ask them for help/assistance when we need them? isnt it normal that we dont want ppl who wear other hnmls's to keep our TODs safe? isnt it normal to expect loyalty from ppl cus u helped and will help them time over time?
i understand what lienna wrote, its hard to when u join a new ls and meet new ppl, and u might even think that u get ignored by others.
joining a new ls isnt easy, and i think a lack of communication from both sides is one of the reasons why things didnt work out well.

anyway, back to what happened.
ryunoire told kruger about our rules, and told him that IF ppl agreed with it, they could join us.
the next day was thanksgiving and ryunoire couldnt be on due to rl circumstances.
she gave krugerwill a pearlsack and told him to take his ppl with us to bune, everyone who would come camp with us there was supposed to get a pearl from him (for communaction on strategy/formations etc. etc. just the usual things).

i log on a couple of hours after bune was killed and find the ls filled with new ppl.
i was happy to see old friends and meet players who ive never met.
however, u invited a lot of ppl who didnt know about our rules or didnt agree with them.
im not gonna name anyone, but there were a couple of ppl who were members of another hnmls and used that as main pearl.
they shouldnt have been invited in the first place, and their pearls got broken when we found out.
u are right when u say we kicked someone without saying it before, it was me who did it.
i sent a /tell to that person (member of another hnmls but wearing our ls at that time), i got no reply.
we were talking about nms at that time (in ls chat) and just to be safe and not let our TODs leak out, i broke the pearl.
is that such a big deal?
perhaps he was afk, and wasnt able to reply to my /tell, we do have our rules and he wasnt supposed to be in here, especially when talking about important matters such as hnms.

our background checks.
normally we dont let ppl in without agreement of all the ls leaders.
we did make an exception for this case, but we didnt expect all of them to join and accept our rules. (many of them didnt even agree with it and left out of own will later)
the reason dash reacted like that was just cus he was concerned about the ls, as any good caring leader would be.
the reason why we had a background check on certain ppl after they joined was cus we got complaints from our members as soon as certain ppl showed up in the ls.
"wtf is he doing in here? that guy has acted like such a **** when i exped with him" etc. etc.
isnt it just normal to check up on those ppl?
we have a ls to take care of, we dont want drama or fights between our members.

lienna told the truth about her feelings, i respect her for being honest about how she felt about our ls. (i wish it wouldve worked out better)
kruger, on the other hand, is lying about facts...
u quit when u found out persephony (who is a very nice player imo) got kicked from the ls for not following the 90% rule.
this wasnt anything personal against her, heck, i even like her cus she's always very nice to me.
we just apply the same rules to everyone...
rules are rules, same rules for everyone.
i even had to ask a good personal friend to leave the ls cus of this.
its just fair to have the same rules for everyone, right?

kruger, the real reason why u left is cus u couldnt handle the rules u agreed with...
i frapsed what happened when u left, this is the entire chatlog of what happened.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/makoholic/chatlogs/KW.jpg

krugerwill, u wanted to join our ls, u were welcome.
u agreed with our rules and invited ur friends who should have agreed with those rules also.
things didnt work out as u wanted, cus we treat everyone equal.
our rules are rules, no exceptions or unfair priorities.
u didnt agree with those rules after u saw u couldnt simply handle it...
why make a post like this?
u decided to leave, fine, just leave peacefully.
dont try to make us look bad cus u had personal problems with us.

u and ur friends joined linknard's ls now, Nanoface.
i wish u good luck and i hope it works out better there.
good luck to those who became our friends but decided to leave with their friends who they started with.
and good luck to those who disliked us, i hope u guys find a happy home in nanoface.

Okay. Give me a Break?
Here's a break. I trusted you, I let you into my home, I welcomed your members as my own, and I did everything in my power to help them with what they wanted. I even started a wish list to help me keep track.

I told you before you joined you wouldn't like my leadership. I also told you that we have rules, and that as long as your members agree to them they can join. YOU YOURSELF AGREED THEY WERE GOOD RULES. Regardless, this is my LS, I run it as I see fit, my people love me and I love them. We work together and get alot done with and for each other. They respect the rules, or they leave, that's how it is.

In retrospect it becomes clearer every day that you, and several of you people hate me for a few reasons.

1) I'm a woman.
2) I'm younger than you.
3) I'm a better leader than you will ever be as was so clearly illustrated when you joined my LS because yours was falling apart.

This is not heresay. I'd post screenshots but I think its inappropriate. Upon being removed from, or leaving my LS, several of the former SOB members send me /tells harrassing me and telling me that I needed to 'grow some balls' that 'women were never meant to lead.'

To illustrate this further I'll reference how you refer to me as 'her highness Ryun.'

Wanna Break?

I gave you a break, and you stabbed me in the back because you can't handle taking orders from a woman.

At any rate good luck in Linkhard's LS, I'm sure you'll do well there, Linkhard has balls just like you wanted.

Ryunoire
I don't know you at all but have you listened to what you have been saying. You sound like u actually belive you are the leader of Medievil Knights in real life or something. It's a game ... Now im not here to make fun of you in any way, but I really think you need to honestly think about taking a break from this game and getting your real life priorities straight. You sound like your starting to let this game run your life and it shouldent be that way (trust me i took a break from playing to much to it helps get things in perspective.) Like in your other post you say "I raised my knights to think they were the best", how are they your knights they are people who enjoy playing a game with you but they are not yours, at anytime they could leave you and do as they will ... it could happen tommorow. You sound like you really need a break from doing what your doing though please don't let this game run your life all of you who read this post it is just a game please realize this.

/cry Mako..
my first pull lost on serket this week ;_;...
blaize dualed it with thaesus >.<

ok, im going to post the same thing as on the other EK thread. People, you've gone too far. Lienna, although she was wronged in some ways, has had her fair share of problems. Im not going to go into that on this thread. The only point i wanted to make was every person has bad days. Anyone who says that they havent been upset or angry or having a bad day and took it out on someone else in game, is lying right there. I do the same thing although, often enough with stress about finals and other personal matters, i have been rather crabby lately, and i appologise for that, but that isnt what this is about. There has been a lot of things happening lately that i have noticed in different forums. People make mistakes fine, the merger didnt work, fine. What truely disgusts me is that people judge simply from one post. You hear 1/2 a story and thats good enough, these people are horrible. Before you make an opinion, please, please try to find the whole story. Yes EK has problems, yes im an *** at times, but that doesnt mean im someone you might not like and EK is by far the best ls that i have ever been on. I was originally from Inspire where you have to beg on hands and knees for help. i had to wait almost a month for them to finally get me LB1. Maybe i was wrong to ask in help for that, i dunno, but most of the SoB members were gone before even a week had passed. Please everyone, try to hold judgements until you read both sides of the story.

Lol zephy i'm glad i dident come and watch ;_;.

Nah, actually I do have a rather good life outside of FFXI. This forum doesn't really matter to me, it too is part of the game, and in the game I am Ryunoire.

I don't make contacts IRL from people in game, I don't carry grudges or really think much at all about the game, unless I'm on forums when I'm bored at work, or actually in the game.

This is all a game to me, and I think I'm one of the few people who keep my real life separate from it.

That's why its so easy for me to not care what people think. at any moment I can hit the power switch and never come back, same with these forums. If everyone in Vanadiel hates Ryunoire, that's ok, they can all be forgotten at the flip of a switch, and I do maintain the control over myself to do that.

I chose not to though. When going gets tough, those who run away have not proven anything. I'm learning real life lessons from this game every day.

As far as thinking I lead a buch of real knights IRL or something... I must say I did laugh when I read that. It's not true at all. This is an RPG, and I'm here to make the game more fun for my LS, they are all my friends. I like to motivate them, and I like to help them.

If I responded to any of these posts with how I thought IRL about these issues, honestly I just wouldn't have responded. I said what I have because my LS members feel attacked. And after reading my posts, they feel proud, which is more than I can say for any of the ******** krugerwill has ever said to anyone.

At any rate, My purpose is served here and the Morale of the EternalKnights is stronger than ever, and this game will ramain to be fun for us.

And to those of you who respect me until someone else tells you not to; (like Kloe for instance who I previously had a mutual respect for) I see who you are, and will remember how easily that respect failed.

Have fun bashing me guys, I won't be around these boards to see it.

lol surpirse sex...good times... and I was in the ls the day Krug left... no comment on that... I was mad she got booted but not like that.. oh well.

As for moving to linknard's ls. I know several people from that ls (I think).... but they way the move is being organized is total BS... so I think I'll bow out of Babylon as well. thank you.


Meh, seems people just keep bringing this stuff back to life. Lets see, I was wronged several times in an ls, along with many other people but you say I have no right to tell someone about it? Thats what I mean by looking down at others. thinking your always right, why dont you just stop it? *sigh* This has gotten absurd indeed... and not just because of us..




now about that high and mighty ******** that ive talked about quite a bit. There you go. No, I posted and made it "public" because the treatment we recieved was utter ********* There was no "open arms" Starting almost the first day people were rude and disrespectful. and this is EVERYONE else's business. No sorry but you cant hide in your ls thinking you are so perfect and always right that we came in and danced on your beautiful ls. Then ran off to whine to the world. nope. This might as well have been posted in the "servers worst players thread" THAT would've been a slander to an ls. Speaking of hypocrites.

Edited, Tue Dec 14 17:36:47 2004 by Lienna

ya I proly will just flat out stay in Babylon. the moves are getting absurd and just flat out tiring...not to mention whats to say the same thing wont happen again. Bleh, somedays I tire of this game -_-

Ryu i did not mean to bad mouth you in any way I know what you are talking about that it does take time for people to adjust to being in a new ls especially when it is ALOT of people that still see their old leader as thier leader and not you. I happen to know some of the people in your ls, and some that have left quite well. I'm just saying it sounds like you have alot on your plate in this game "People bugging you for help and such". Maybe you should just take a short break and take some time for yourself. I think you might benefit from this. that's all i had to say i wasnt taking sides or trying to bad mouth you in anyway. You just seem like a nice person that i thought i would try to help out with some friendly advice.

Sure there's reason...when people want in a LS to fight HNM, etc, they have a choice of many. How're they gonna know which is right for them without posts like this? Personally I find it good to know that EK is all about ignoring and abusing their newer members, and hope that everyone reading these posts gets the same out of it. You can say it's only this SoB merger all you want, but I've heard many testimonials like this from friends testing out different HNM linkshells. When dealing with any EK in the future, I will treat them with similar disrespect.

dont try any of this "these people" ********* I in no way bashed Ryu. I ignored the few things she did wrong. Its funny. Even people from EK are posting that I told the truth. people with pearlsacks. yet some people still come here and say Im some demon trying to destroy the ls and all the good in the world or some other BS. Ya know? All this stuff REALLY did happen how I say it did. All these things really were as much of a problem as I said they were. Even EK members, not only in game but HERE are admitting to that.(Hell even Ryu admitted to that in the other thread, that some people in the ls were very rude) Yet you people still say we are at fault for the fact that some of you are ***-holes. What? Did I really just say that? Sure the merger didnt work out, the ls's parted on a (rather) bad note. BUT WE DID NOT MAKE YOU HOW YOU ARE. Ive gotten several tells each day from former EK, Babylon and even members from other LS's whove come in contact with EK members, and who would have thought, according to EVERYONE who has ever sent me a tell, many of you WERE *** holes to begin with. You weren't intimidated by us or felt some kind of scary rush of people. Thats not what caused this, it was you always were.

And on an amusing note, no one has ever said "actually Lienna, its your fault, or I Hated Babylon, or That LS is so awsome" Eh? Why is that? Oh ya there are posts here. from SoB and EK members other than like 1 person. But where is this great outside support or friendships some claim to have? Well?. Meh Ryu you ignored my PM, doesnt surprise me. But what does surprise me is your total shock to Krugerwill's post after you really did practically blame him for undermining the merger between our two linkshells? LOL I mean you provoked him then get all puffed up when he makes a reply? Now thats just silly.

Whatever, seems more people are still learning the "truth". I'm glad to hear it.

Edited, Tue Dec 14 18:07:16 2004 by Lienna