Get over BobbyjaiFollow

honestly, i haven't even seen him, though i don't think that's for any reason other than I'm nowhere near his lvl, so he wouldn't be in the areas i frequent.

But i can say that until i actually see for myself whether someone is a jerk or not, then i treat them nice. if He didn't do anythign to you, just leave him alone and move on with your lives... if you want to make him feel outcaste because of somethign that happened between him and other people, then instead of going out of your way to slap, insult, berate, or what-have-you... Just leave him alone...

There's 2 players i can't stand myself, and i simply ignore them... unless we end up in a pty together, in which case i put the enmity aside and do my job without hesitation.

Even on the game, the golden rule still applies. If you want people to be nice to you, then be nice to them first. I had to deal with a few rude people last night, and their excuse for being total numbwits was that their behavior wasn't against TOS... that is a really lame way to look at it. just because you can do somethign doesn't mean you should right?

Just remember, if you tick someone off, word will spread, and soon you'll be hated by all. the best thign to do it just let it go and move on. if what they do is truly horrid, and they KEEP doing it, then it's understandable to badmouth/report them..

Sorry for being longwinded, but this is somethign i feel really strongly about.

/end rant

If he didnt do anything to you then stfu already. It gets really f***ing old to hear people ***** about him and /emote the **** out of everytime i log on.

I know what he did was wrong but i personally have no problem with him. The only thing i could think of is that hes arrogant.

It is such tolerance for immorality such as this that plague's this society.

No, it's not stupid to trust someone. Why would you not trust someone in a game that involves real humans and reputation is so important? Bobbyjai was stupid and chose the option of more gil for a complete loss of reputation, which is a very rare case. I've had the ability to ***** many people out of gil, but I haven't, because I do not want my reputation to be harmed (and I'm a good person, but different point :-P)

Trust, honor and respect are things that many Japanese are close to, and I wish more americans were. There are plenty Americans that live up to these values, but there is also a good number of people like Bobbyjai, pardon someones ignorance and trust in the human race, ok?

Also, there are people that do not know about Bobbyjai, if people are slapping him, those people will ask, and more people will be informed, so Bobbyjai's time online will be even worse. There is still progress being made by this.

And if you need to listen to your LS/party, put it into "hold" in your chat filters and the spam from the slappage will keep going and you can read what others are saying.

Morons is a bit extreme and inaccurate. About as innaccurate as the idea saying that Bobbyjai has learned some sort of lesson. By all accounts he is still the same person he was and doesn't care what people say or do to him. It seems to me that most players have never really heard of bobbyjai until recently. Given this it would seem that most of the people saying 'get over Bobbyjai and/or give Bobbyjai a break' are the ones who don't know anything about Bobbyjai. If you accept that statement as true; then the people saying to give him a chance and let bigons be bigons are saying so out of some sort of misguided sense of superiority and compassion. Superiority because they believe they are somehow more 'objective' and thereby 'right' than the people closer to the original problem. This I believe is flawed logic.

I agree with Eagle in the idea that everyone is entirely too willing to 'allow' immorality to just slide. The idea being that 'we have no right to force our ideals on another human being'. That is not correct. Might makes right; whether you like it or not that is the way the world works. In terms of might, society governs the 'morals' everyone is upheld too. If you can't accept those morals you deserve to be punished until such time you decide to change.

Logic dictates that there are only two solutions. 1.) allow people to do what they want with no rules... law of entropy dictates that this will result in disorder, chaos, and destruction 2.) Hold people accountable for their own actions against a universal moral code. The object of the code is to promote harmony between individuals. SE has proven to be unreliable in functioning as a force of stability regarding player to player interaction. Therefore there is a 'need' for 'someone' to 'punish' those who go against the popular code of 'morals'.

It seems that 'everyone' has accepted that responsibility of watchdog in some form or another. So that is why you have everyone /slap Bobbyjai or mpking him or whatever. People are trying to make an example of him and make an effort to punish him. I believe the first objective has worked sense the tail of bobbyjai has been told over and over and over again. The second objective has not worked so well because by all accounts he is still the same person he was. Obviously this is why people seek to continually 'punish' him.

At this point it is not about the Peacock Charm being stolen. It is about Bobbyjai himself not being a positive member to the FFXI player society. You say get over Bobbyjai? I say get over yourself. I for one, may never type /slap Bobbyjai but I will never associate with him.

According to AH history in Jeuno, Bobbyjai sold the Peacok Charm for 6 million gil.
People have to live with the consequences of their decisions every single day.
Bobbyjai made his decision in stealing the drop and have to live with the consequences.

FFXI is a game where reputation is paramount since so much content are only accessible through mutual cooperation & trust (AF, LB, Missions, Quests, HNM hunts). I am glad that Bald have inrefutable proof on Bobbyjai's betrayl, this way most of the Shiva population will know to avoid Bobbyjai, least he would do the same to any of us.

I don't believe that the ToS of the game has strict enough standards honestly. Moral codes and personal philosophy aside, claiming something you have no right to (other people's agreed upon shares of a drop) is theft. Theft of the time the people who deserved their shares had to spend making that gil back. There are few lower forms of life than thieves, and far from feeling people should "get over" Bobbyjai, I would like to loudly thank anyone who provides other players with information on a known thief.
Laws of pretty much any civilized society have severe punishments for thieves, and while it may or may not be spelled out in a computer game's ToS is pretty irrelevant in the long run. Petty theft of something as small as a candybar carry fines and documented history repors of people who choose to do this. If I understand this situation correctly and he stole 4million that should have went to other people, let's consider what that's equivalent to IRL. I've known several high level players who spend hours a day on the game and probably 1/2 that time earning gil. Lucky drops and all aside, I don't think it's outragous to say it might take a month to farm for 4million gil in real time.
Now, a month's salary for most people is a fair amount larger than a candybar, and could quite likely result in jailtime. I'm certainly not going to just "get over" having irrefutable proof that my neighbor stole a month's salary from me!!!! I think any reasonable person would contact the police.
While I'm sure no judge would put someone in jail for actions taken in a videogame, the realities of what he did do not change. Apparently Square/Enix does not choose to assert any form of moral justice over a domain they have controll of, but this does not mean other players should sit back and allow thing like this to take place. I for one will never associate with this person, and if I'm in an area and see him there I will shout warnings, send tells to PT leaders, anything I can do to warn people that a known thief is among them and to please tread with caution. As for things like /slap... well that's easily filtered and I agree with whoever posted that he's likely amused by these actions. I certainly feel a sense ofresponsibility as a decent human being to warn my neighbors that a thief is among them.

This is a game where people play at being heros. In saving people from thieves you have a chance to be one for real.... think about it.

Edited, Sun Oct 3 18:44:21 2004 by RainsweptRedmage