Solstice botsFollow

Yes, there is a big difference, however Tineeys original post said "whatever" and a cropped picture is included in whatever. Congratulations on the "omg no u" arguement.

Wow, you're that desperate/bored that you want to resort to a semantics argument?



Man, if you're going to pick apart a post, why not take the first part of the sentence he said:

"If such pictures were ever posted"<--

Obviously, the "such pictures" refers to the type of pictures that are displayed in the OP, which are uneditted screenshots of entire forum posts within a private forum.

Cropping a screenshot to three words from an entire screenshot that actually shows the word /sarcasm in the same line of text != "such pictures".

Seriously, we could go all day back and forth on stupid things like this, but all that goes to prove is that:

a.) You're arguing with paper thin defensive tactics (if you're even trying to defend yourselves, which you probably aren't)

b.) Utilizing amazing Bush administration deflection tactics to take the heat away from yourselves (But wait a second, none of you give a crap about this right? Which begs the question why any of you are even posting here, when in reality you'd just be ignoring it if it really didn't matter to you).



Exactly how was he "proven wrong"? I have yet to see anything concrete, but rather some badly editted screenshots that don't really show anything in the first place. Way to take more things out of context, seems like that's what the norm is nowadays.

Unless of course, this is what you call humour, in which case you fail as a comedian.

H'okey, was expecting this and the inevitable derails. So let's go, shall we?



There's a huge difference here. You have no credible proof whatsoever. On the other hand, in this very thread there's screenshots admitting that you did and continue to bot. I mean, seriously, it wasn't even us that started this; as far as I know, this OP sockpuppet isn't even in SF (which might not be true, but this IS the Internet, who knows). It's not like SF went on a holy crusade the instant that the screenshots surfaced. Frankly, I find this whole situation incredibly ironic and amusing more than anything.

Speaking of which, it was your OWN disgruntled members/ex-members that sent everyone else the screenshots. So really, we're not here to defend ourselves. But as Bedrock has stated on Makore's LJ, this really begs the question as to why YOU'RE here defending yourselves.



Well, frankly, I didn't want to discuss something like this, because frankly I don't care what your LS does with your own drops. I really don't. Let's stay away from this since it seriously has nothing to do with anything anyways.



Except that you have members admitting that you botted quite frequently (Kaali even admits he botted every Fafnir) and continue to do so?

Again, I'm not naive enough to think that there aren't any botters in a particular LS. I'm more than willing to kick them if you can prove to me, like in those screenshots of your LS, that someone is botting.



Again, I don't give a damn about your AV, seriously.



Unnecessary derail and more deflection tactics, it's what I expected anyways.

Fateful day? Shall I recap what really happened?

After 2 failed attempts at Tiamat, people were obviously a tad disgruntled. I'm sure there were errors made on both "sides" here, but it really didn't help seeing stupid things like a Solstice Carbuncle hitting Tiamat and waking it back up right after it was slept, etc.

3 people out of the 15 or so people decided to leave to sit at Aspi because they were tired of dealing with Tiamat for the day. Not once did we ever say we were leaving Tiamat officially to a sackholder of Solstice. Find me some evidence of this, because we asked for it and it was never given.

Then, we simply get a "no hard feelings guys" and you guys disbanded the alliance and proceeded to claim Tiamat on your own, leaving us there asking "OK, what the hell?". Afterwards, completely non-productive conversations with your sacks resulted in us pretty much deciding that there wasn't going to be anything resolved from this point on.

So really, considering the fact that you broke the alliance with us, what makes you think we really owe you anything, hmm?

Feel free to make up more stories though.

Zidana ftw! xD

Daamian already said what happened, but allow me to give you the blunt version. Hes a sackholder, and contrary to your linkshell, ours conduct themselves with a certain amount of class to maintain inter-linkshell relations. But hey, Im not a sack, I dont have to do that:

-We wiped to Tiamat because your summoners repeatedly woke him up with Carbuncle Melee.
-You reraised, and took it upon yourself to cockblock another linkshell gathering for their attempt by immediately reclaiming and trying again. You then killed it by yourself in typical slowstice fashion.

Alliance: Disbanded. Agreements: Broken. Mutual respect anyone may have had for Solstice: Gone.

Game Over.

And here you are, contributing absolutely nothing to a conversation that doesn't involve you at all.

What is it with you anti-HNM LS people who take every opportunity to try and bash HNM LS's?

Let me ask you a question: if you think this is all about "worthless items", how is this affecting the "majority of players" who don't have any interest in that? HNM and non-HNM activities are pretty seperate, so why does this even affect you, if you what you say is true? After all, they're worthless items, thus meaning you don't really want/care about them, so how does this concern you at all?

My apologies that somehow camping HNM and beating them -> getting items for members of my LS = belief that I'm somehow ruining this game for players who aren't even interested in this element of the game in the first place.



As opposed to what? You're saying that we should all just stop doing anything in this game and just chat? Why even play FFXI then; might as well just load up an IRC client and chat with your LS mates.



And you're saying that there's no friendships within an HNM LS? My LS is my FFXI family to me. I don't have any other LS. I hang out with them, joke and chat with them over Ventrilo, exp with them, camp HNM with them, beat tougher endgame encounters with them, etc. etc.

So who are you to say that there is no friendship involved? Hell, if it weren't for friendship within the LS, most of us would have probably quit the game by this point in time.

As well, there are people I regularly chat and talk to in other HNM LS, so what? The only people really making a big deal about this are people who don't understand the situation in the first place.

Good job derailing this thread into something completely different, but whatever. It's obvious that HNM LS's have come and killed your cat or something, seeing the kind of response I expected from you.



Hello, that's how any community works. People move on and make new friends. That's their choice. This is also how ANY MMORPG works. There are always going to be casual players and hardcore players. To bash people who enjoy playing more hardcore than others, well....it's just as stupid as hardcore people bashing "casual" players. You're no better for doing that.

Where a person wants to go and spend their time has nothing to do with this artificial dichotomy of "HNM-LS" and "non-HNM-LS". Maybe should seperate it more into "hardcore" and "casual" LS's, really, as that division is starting to blur more and more as of recent anyways. There's plenty of "casual" LS's who kill popped NM's/Gods and there plenty of "hardcore" LS's that have regressed into doing casual activities.



Hold on a second, you're jumping to your own conclusions. There is going to be cheating in online games and this is mutually exclusive to HNM LS, there are "casual players" who also cheat. That doesn't mean that suddenly all HNM LS's promote and openly encourage this sort of activity, sorry.

Your gripes you are describing exist in any game, complaining that somehow it's ruining this game is moronic. People choose to do what they do, noone is holding a gun to your head and telling you to remain in an LS where you're not having fun. Noone is stopping you from leaving a "**** regime" and joining a casual LS if endgame doesn't suit you.

The reason most good HNM LS have certain rules in place is simply to avoid conflict of interest. Helping friends out is one thing, but there has to be some lines drawn somewhere in order to reduce arguments as much as possible. Perhaps if you actually tried and ran a successful HNM LS you'd actually understand what I'm talking about, but it irritates me to see people spout off about this when they don't know what they're talking about.



And you wonder why there's so much Allakhazam bashing, it's because of mentalities like your own.



Blame the game then. This game doesn't support more than 64 people on a LS at a time, most events can't hold many people (except for Dynamis). Honestly, you really have more than 64 people that you REGULARLY talk to and do activities with? Seems farfetched to me anyways. This game doesn't support "massive community" like you're suggesting, but for that matter neither does any other one out there.

You're the one going on about "friendships" in this game, what's wrong with an LS of tightly-knit people doing what they enjoy in this game?



Way to give a pretty inconsequential example. People can easily be replaced in an exp PT. Is that really the extent of your gripes on how HNM LS affect everyone else? H'oooookey.

Most good HNM LS will tell their members to not try and exp/etc. when they know ahead of time there is going to be an LS event. So what? It's their choice when they joined the LS in the first place.

The problem you're describing is due to the way this game is setup. Things like Tiamat/etc. don't sit around waiting for people to slowly gather. Blame the way the game is made then.



Well, I can throw the reverse back out at you. I wonder what value people (like you) find in logging into the game day in and day out and perform the same monotonous tasks of levelling a character to 75, farm for gil for new equipment for that 75 and then farm for equipment for a new job and then level that job upto 75 as well, rinse and repeat.

HNM LS doesn't automatically mean that you can't exp/do assault/mission/quest/etc., we get plenty of that done in addition to other endgame activities.



How do you even think HNM LS's first started? A group of friends who wanted to kill stuff together. That's how TSHoT first formed. >.>

What you are describing probably isn't a problem for many HNM LS's, but you have to understand the conflict of interest that pops up, hence why the "sh*t fit" in the first place.

Anyways, there's no point in trying and explaining to you, because you're obviously hellbent set on your ways and thoughts. Nothing I say will convince you otherwise anyways.



And where exactly did I do this? In fact, the point of this thread was to point that justifying botting was INCORRECT I thought, hmm?

Your post is so full of non-sequitars it's not even funny. One minute you're talking about how "HNM-LS is the downfall of FFXI" and then the next second you're talking about how "botting is bad". Stick to one topic please.

Here it is, i usually dont post on forums, in fact this is my first, but i gotta say, you all need a dose of RL. Are your lives so deprived of drama that you need to flame on the boards just to feel important? i'd suggest, learn what its like to pay your own bills, mabe support a family, then appreaciate a game for the fun that it should be instead of dreading logging on because of all the jackasses with nothin better to do but ruin what should be a good time.

I'm done talking about the botting **** but since the Tiamat issue needs resolve, I think your opinions are pretty unfair.

-Did you forget about the first attempt that we were doing fine until a SF BLM dissolved the alliance at 1%?
-On the second attempt the SMN who woke up Tiamat was a mistake no doubt, but why were we at the point of having to sleep Tiamat? Because there was no communication, tanks were sucking (myself especially), stuns were misplaced and elegy was off. It's a number of problems of something that wasn't fought properly being blamed on a smn who's carbuncle was probably only attacking Tiamat because of a lack of hate control and he was attacked..
-Graeson's a great friend of mine and not trying to get him involved, but after the second wipe he sent me a tell saying no one wants to fight it again. I understood and said np and we formed our own alliance.. Definitely weren't in a hurry and I can't remember anyone else attempting to claim. Though even if there were, i've seen many linkshells reraise as quickly as possible at a number of HNM's to get another shot. I'll have to remember for future referance that's considered **** blocking...

If all you were looking to do was make cheap shots at my linkshell then sorry for wasting your time with this response. I apologize if our Tiamat technique is not up to your standards.

The alliance wasn't disolved, a party was dropped to get in sleepers as per orders. Yes, the communication sucked and thats a big reason it failed. I personally dont care about this incident/your tactics at all. It was brought up by your linkshell. As far as I was concerned, it was a dead issue.

The past is the past, thats what happened, and it ended up breaking the alliance between the two. You're the ones who obviously feel like we still owe you something despite all this, because it was "your mistake for trusting us"? Yeah, ok.

Oi oi I may not play anymore but I agree with Wicc... Can't stop people who don't admit to what they're doing.. Try and enjoy the game and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing. Fair or unfair, there's little much you can do about it, ne?

Anyway, I think I left the LS just before they s tarted getting into HNM stuff, so I dunno what I missed, but the people in that LS when I joined seemed the honest type, I wouldn't have figured any of them to bot, so if they were joking around? I'd believe they were. They joked around about darn near everything when I was there, why not about botting too?

Just my two gil.

Dear Lenwei,

Never before have I seen a post as retarded as yours.

Love,
Meph

Edited, Oct 19th 2006 at 3:18pm PDT by MephRagnarok