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Ragnarok HNM Guidelines (English) Version 1
In attempts to avoid further drama, we should try to draft up a set of rules. I'll compile up what I've observed as well as some things I can see to keep the peace, debate here.
Pull-rules:
- All pulls are considered legit. If you think an individual is using hacks, fine. Go find the same hacks and beat it. Otherwise, There is no proof. "We strongly believe ____ hacks" is not proof, and is not an excuse for any underhanded actions.
- GTFO rule: Upon a pull, please clear out of the battle area. In terms of King Behemoth, a good place to go is the tunnels. For Adamantoise/Aspidochelone, the most laggy corner of Ragnarok will do. For Dragonaery, please either escape or sneak out into Zi'Tah as soon as possible. This is a courtesy thing, I scratch your back you scratch mine. It's also a problem if the pulling party wipes instantly and the HNM starts aggroing people. For all these purposes, please GTFO if you lose.
Why GTFO? Various reasons. For one, lag kills. You may want them to die from lag, but causing it is it a very low thing to do. Another is that for things that need to be kited, you're in the kiting path. I know it may "sound like *************** but running into someone while trying to get away from meteo can mean the difference between out-ranging it and eating it. I can understand how some people want to watch, but it's like that time someone from the audience yoinked a baseball and caused a home run that could have been saved by the outfielder.
Randoming Rules:
- In the event that an LS appears to wipe, propose a random in /shout. For Dragonaery, propose it in shout and quickly escape out as a courtesy to the current LS and handle the dealings in Zitah by Boyahda main Entrance.
- Aside from Fafnir, each LS that wishes to participate will have one representative say so in /shout. /tells are too obscure, do it in /shout where everyone can see. In Zi'tah since everyone should be at the escape spot, /say should suffice. If an LS is unable to have even one single representative escape from DragonAery within a reasonable amount of time, then they either have no elemental seal, are afk, or are being discourteous to the currently engaged LS by crowding them. In any event, it's enough to merit disqualification.
- Please refrain from throwing out /random's out of the blue at the time of the dealings. This only causes confusion and can be used against you.
- It hardly needs to be said, but highest random wins. Second highest is second, etc.
- If the winners of the random decide at any point to leave, they lose priority. In other words, if you think they're gonna win and D2 back, then they wipe 30 minutes later, you have no priority even if you return.
- Winners of the random should engage as soon as the original LS wipes (more details below), and begin to kill it immediately. No holding for members, no holding time. If you have enough to hold but not enough to kill at the time of the pop, you should not be eligible to random. Please respect this honesty system and not try to random with 2 people and then go /l HURRY UP GET PEOPLE HERE NOW
- Proclaim the outcome of the /random in shout, so that everyone can see it. Anyone with a dispute speak now or forever hold your peace.
Wipe-out:
- For a LS to be considered wiped, all members have to be dead and the monster back to it's calm non-aggroed mode. It will stop chasing people, start moving slowly and remain stationary of periods of time. Likewise, if you are part of the wiping LS and have raised, if you do not have hate on the NM then you are not considered to be "alive."
- If it "aggros you," it means you didn't follow the GTFO rule. Zone or die and wait for the NM to stop moving.
- Let it be known now. If the mob is taken before the above circumstances are met, it is considered a stolen mob and an MPK attempt. I don't care if they have only one person alive. If you are that sure they are going to wipe, then sit there and let them wipe. Likewise, if you have a legit right to it from the random rules, no one will try to steal it from you. The victimized LS (from now on, regardless of who) should be permitted time for a full recovery and have the NM returned to them. Don't say this rule is ********* it's not hard to wait for them to die off completely. If you can't wait a whole 20 seconds for the last tank or mage to die then you've ruined your shot, it's that simple.
In the event that any of the above rules are not followed:
- Please let the leaders handle it. If LS leaders are not available then have whoever is in charge talk it out. The result may all be from misunderstandings that can be cleared. If one party is simply being unreasonable, be the better man and let them have it. Even the rarest of mobs will pop in another 5 to 7 days, you will have another opportunity then. Be aware, however, that repeat offenses are noticed by everyone, and even though people try to follow rules it's wise not to make enemies in the playing field.
- Under no circumstances will stealing and calling for help and/or direct MPKing be tolerated. Likewise, LSs will be judged if they can not deal with lowlife members who perform such acts regularily. This goes for everyone. No one cares if they broke into your house and punched you in the face 3 seconds before the monster pops and caused you to lose the pull. Call the police but don't call for help on their mobs.
- Please keep in mind that an eye for an eye does not solve anything. Your actions can and will reflect your LS, and it may bring a lot of trouble for people who should not have to be involved.
Who the **** do you think you are to make up the rules? They're not my rules, I'm just listing the common unwritten etiquette that's already been in effect and working. The reason why drama occurs is because some people are unaware of them and/or choose to not follow them. You have any better ideas? We're all listening. Erm, reading.
Gonna need an update when drama moves to the wyrms, but so far we seem good on that part :O
So what's good, what sucks, and why? What else needs to be addressed, and why? Keep in mind that these rules are for everyone, and no one gets an advantage over anyone else.
In attempts to avoid further drama, we should try to draft up a set of rules. I'll compile up what I've observed as well as some things I can see to keep the peace, debate here.
Pull-rules:
- All pulls are considered legit. If you think an individual is using hacks, fine. Go find the same hacks and beat it. Otherwise, There is no proof. "We strongly believe ____ hacks" is not proof, and is not an excuse for any underhanded actions.
- GTFO rule: Upon a pull, please clear out of the battle area. In terms of King Behemoth, a good place to go is the tunnels. For Adamantoise/Aspidochelone, the most laggy corner of Ragnarok will do. For Dragonaery, please either escape or sneak out into Zi'Tah as soon as possible. This is a courtesy thing, I scratch your back you scratch mine. It's also a problem if the pulling party wipes instantly and the HNM starts aggroing people. For all these purposes, please GTFO if you lose.
Why GTFO? Various reasons. For one, lag kills. You may want them to die from lag, but causing it is it a very low thing to do. Another is that for things that need to be kited, you're in the kiting path. I know it may "sound like *************** but running into someone while trying to get away from meteo can mean the difference between out-ranging it and eating it. I can understand how some people want to watch, but it's like that time someone from the audience yoinked a baseball and caused a home run that could have been saved by the outfielder.
Randoming Rules:
- In the event that an LS appears to wipe, propose a random in /shout. For Dragonaery, propose it in shout and quickly escape out as a courtesy to the current LS and handle the dealings in Zitah by Boyahda main Entrance.
- Aside from Fafnir, each LS that wishes to participate will have one representative say so in /shout. /tells are too obscure, do it in /shout where everyone can see. In Zi'tah since everyone should be at the escape spot, /say should suffice. If an LS is unable to have even one single representative escape from DragonAery within a reasonable amount of time, then they either have no elemental seal, are afk, or are being discourteous to the currently engaged LS by crowding them. In any event, it's enough to merit disqualification.
- Please refrain from throwing out /random's out of the blue at the time of the dealings. This only causes confusion and can be used against you.
- It hardly needs to be said, but highest random wins. Second highest is second, etc.
- If the winners of the random decide at any point to leave, they lose priority. In other words, if you think they're gonna win and D2 back, then they wipe 30 minutes later, you have no priority even if you return.
- Winners of the random should engage as soon as the original LS wipes (more details below), and begin to kill it immediately. No holding for members, no holding time. If you have enough to hold but not enough to kill at the time of the pop, you should not be eligible to random. Please respect this honesty system and not try to random with 2 people and then go /l HURRY UP GET PEOPLE HERE NOW
- Proclaim the outcome of the /random in shout, so that everyone can see it. Anyone with a dispute speak now or forever hold your peace.
Wipe-out:
- For a LS to be considered wiped, all members have to be dead and the monster back to it's calm non-aggroed mode. It will stop chasing people, start moving slowly and remain stationary of periods of time. Likewise, if you are part of the wiping LS and have raised, if you do not have hate on the NM then you are not considered to be "alive."
- If it "aggros you," it means you didn't follow the GTFO rule. Zone or die and wait for the NM to stop moving.
- Let it be known now. If the mob is taken before the above circumstances are met, it is considered a stolen mob and an MPK attempt. I don't care if they have only one person alive. If you are that sure they are going to wipe, then sit there and let them wipe. Likewise, if you have a legit right to it from the random rules, no one will try to steal it from you. The victimized LS (from now on, regardless of who) should be permitted time for a full recovery and have the NM returned to them. Don't say this rule is ********* it's not hard to wait for them to die off completely. If you can't wait a whole 20 seconds for the last tank or mage to die then you've ruined your shot, it's that simple.
In the event that any of the above rules are not followed:
- Please let the leaders handle it. If LS leaders are not available then have whoever is in charge talk it out. The result may all be from misunderstandings that can be cleared. If one party is simply being unreasonable, be the better man and let them have it. Even the rarest of mobs will pop in another 5 to 7 days, you will have another opportunity then. Be aware, however, that repeat offenses are noticed by everyone, and even though people try to follow rules it's wise not to make enemies in the playing field.
- Under no circumstances will stealing and calling for help and/or direct MPKing be tolerated. Likewise, LSs will be judged if they can not deal with lowlife members who perform such acts regularily. This goes for everyone. No one cares if they broke into your house and punched you in the face 3 seconds before the monster pops and caused you to lose the pull. Call the police but don't call for help on their mobs.
- Please keep in mind that an eye for an eye does not solve anything. Your actions can and will reflect your LS, and it may bring a lot of trouble for people who should not have to be involved.
Who the **** do you think you are to make up the rules? They're not my rules, I'm just listing the common unwritten etiquette that's already been in effect and working. The reason why drama occurs is because some people are unaware of them and/or choose to not follow them. You have any better ideas? We're all listening. Erm, reading.
Gonna need an update when drama moves to the wyrms, but so far we seem good on that part :O
So what's good, what sucks, and why? What else needs to be addressed, and why? Keep in mind that these rules are for everyone, and no one gets an advantage over anyone else.
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