Dynamis and your LSFollow

Already posted in the LJ, but I just need to say for a small mistake, that was kinda rude how everyone was blanketed as "evil villins". It was a simple mistake, of which was by New LSs that never of knew of such unwriten rules. To wish ill to them though... that's just asking for bad karma to return to the source.

It's one of those times when everyone has to back off and accept the day was lost. Nothing can bring it back, but this time around, at least there will be more orginazation.

This isn't about the two though, is it? Those LSs are big, but the two in question right now are small in comparison. So lay off.

If you have dynamis scheduled up til november, why dont you post that in SF's website found here: tshot.org
Then we can prevent what happened saturday to happen again. If there's a conflict you can talk to the other LS's leaders and see what you guys can do. Even /random for the zone.

SF's calendar isnt about who runs the server but it's basically there to show all the dynamis linkshells which area and time most dynamis linkshell wish to go. Also shows conflicts if there are any which can be solved by the leaders of the linkshells. We arent here to ***** over smaller linkshells but it's not right for other linkshells that schedule their dynamis times 1hr before other linkshells go to prevent them from entering that zone which they had also planned weeks in advance, same as you. We arent asking you to break your linkshell but only ask that you go to that website and post which areas you will be going to.

One need only read the Livejournal entry in the OP to understand why I refuse to be a part of this. It is offensive, degrading and repulisve to anyone who reads it. Why would I want to list my linkshell or those in it among a group that thinks that way? Or does not, at the very least, speak out against such behavior?

Sorry but I have recieved tells ORDERING me to remove my LS from Dynamis because I STOLE a slot and it doesn't take much to know why I refuse to post there. yet, when a month long planned run is forced to change because no one respect ours times, and I am told "What gives you the right to this", one does have to question the true motives. What gives ANYONE the right?

I reject any 'service' that is so abusive and vulgar towards other LS or so unforgiving of a LS who was unaware of the little secret calendar which has never until now been publicized. I think it all belies a rather ugly truth in the matter.

Its why all our runs are listed on our calendar a month in advance, and also at dynamiscalendar.com in the ragnarok calendar. ( a URL 1000% times easier to remember anyway).

I do make an effort to check the tshot thing before I shcedule ANY run for my LS, so I know at the time of scheduling that there is NO run listed. Given that Solstice, Kuponet, Lemonade, Tshot, and several other LS are aware of our calendar, I can't imagine why there would be schedule conflicts in the future.

More insulting and attacking comments? Clearly you are trying hard to further my belief that bad attitudes prevail at 'end-game'.





I do not 'hate' end game LS at all. I find some to be entirely too full of themselves and too ready to beat down anyone who tries to better themselves instead of helping. I reject that mentality. As it has been my primary experience thus far of other Dynamis LS giving orders, and placing demands on other LS who may or may not have known about a tacit agreement to discuss runs, has been wholly negative. Why would I wish to associate with primarily negative persons? Or those who rather than informing, attack? Just look at the live journal entry in the OP. Is that a service to anyone? Is that in any way shape or form a positive impression? I don't think any person with self-respect can say yes. It's offensive and I would never allow myself or my LS to be associated with such persons.

I agree something needs doing, but the distrubing manner in which so many have attacked LS who were uninformed suggests it has been handled poorly or at best, not fully thought out. Again, just referring to the live journal posted should be enough to cause anyone to question the true motives here.



Agreed. But constantly attacking new LS, or 'newer' LS, degrading them, acting abusively towards them will also alienate you. Eventually those LS will get sick of it and act directly counter to the stated goal. If you look carefully, this is already starting to happen because of how things are being portrayed and how a LS not aware of this 'resource' is generally treated. Resentment breeds and grows quickly. it's already started quite obviously.



The first run in I had with this problem was during a run in Sandy. At the time, TWO LS used the Tshot Calendar and I was told it was LAW to follow, ORDERED to drop my hourglass, and upon completetion of the run, and asking around, NO ONE had ever heard of it. Solstice learned of the calendar for example THROUGH ME and a post on MY LS. Stellar even registered and posted into the thread. So, the claim of "established rules" is patently false in that sense.




Decided not to push it? What was there to push? Someone had entered Dynamis and that is that. What would you have 'pushed'? Threats? orders? Unsupportable demands?



Blocked? You mean there was an situation where someone got there first. Blocking implies some sort of deliberate improper actions. If this is true I can honestly say that our Jeuno run this past saturday was 'blocked' it had been planned, based on the tshot calendar, for a time and place which was NOT OCCUPIED nearly 3 weeks in advance. Someone got there first. We did bastok. So I suppose I have some great right to be indignant and vulgar now for that? Hardly.

The attitudes shown in these responses are my entire issue. Who apointed you spokes person and divine rules. I feel bad honestly for Bedrock. He tried, with what I am convinced was nothing but good intent, to make something positive and it was usurped by those who would use it to be abusive and spiteful to others. Listing a run on a LS forum does not give any one 'rights' to anything. Any more than my posting a run, even a full month is advance, does not give us 'rights' to it. But as so many LS have asked, and been given the URL to our calendar, one would think they would check it. You know, out of courtesy and respect.




Actually after my first run in I spent over 2 hours searching the net for any links or info to such a resource. No luck. I did find it very entertaining that everytime I searched for "Dynamis Linkshell" at Google, the highest ranked Ragnarok NA LS was... mine. And when searching for Dynamis Calendar, the highest ranked related result was a dead page I had made on the subject at a now expired URL. Obviously I mention this to point out the fact that this "well known" calendar was in fact a total mystery to all but a tiny few, was not even significant enough to register in Google.

I think those that have older LS (funny, most are 'reformed' from something else and thus not really as old as they like to think), should start thinking of the rest of the server more if they really want to be helpful and would do a far better job at simple PR. Instead, most seem intent and abusing and punishing those with smaller or newer LS or those with no idea things were supposed to be handled a certain way.

I'd argue that many of the 'smaller' LS who have been attacked to date are likely to be highly resentful. People might want to start thinking in terms of "neutral territory". Unless, certain 'large' LS exist in too much fear of being pushed aside by other, 'smaller', more tolerant LSes.

I speak for no one but myself.

I find much lacking in much of the attitudes here. Namely that the Live Journal entry in the OP is seen as some sort of positive thing. It's offensive, and if the goal here is to be inclusive, that needs to end immediately. Indeed that kind of behavior needs to be renounced or the poor view many have of some 'end game' LS and players will only be made worse.

Also, the attitude that it is incubent on a new LS to seek you out is a poor one. A true communit would attempt to reach out in every way possible. Not attack those who simply had no idea. It's counter productive.

I DID ask a couple of months ago, no one had heard of such a think as a calendar. Yet I was admonished for failing to check it. Solstice didn't know. I live with a member of Solstice and ask, and that person asked, and NO ONE KNEW. I can even dig up Stellar's post stating he never knew such a thing existed, AFTER we had been ordered about by members of Kuponet for 'breaking the rules'. How is this in anyway beneficial? Or helpful?


I have no problem withthe concept, it's needed, it's the execution and poor attitudes of so many involved that are bothersome. I think it generally reflects poorly on all involved when you have something like that live Journal entry and no one speaks out against it publicly. Or, and here's a thought towards 'respect', apologizes for it. Why would I, or really anyone, accept a good idea on bad terms when it can be made into a good idea on good terms very easily?

Again, its important to point out that I think Bedrock had a great concept, and took a good first step. I don't think he considered some of the challenges and potential problems, which is by no means a dis just an observation.

It can work, sure, but there are obvious issues that need adressing.

Edited, Mon Oct 24 13:38:17 2005 by airamis

If Russta hadn't made a flame-bait topic, NOBODY would have paid attention to it.

I've made extensive posts on there, go and read it. Pretty much, many of us are sick and tired of people telling us that "we don't own the server", etc. etc.

It's a stupid argument because that's not we were trying to do in the first place.

I seriously don't understand why people can't honestly step back and look at the big picture once in a while instead of automatically lashing back and jumping to the conclusion that us established LS's are simply "greedy" and "need to adapt" and "arrogant ******** who are trying to be dominating". Seriously, grow up.

It's been stated time and time again that our calendar isn't at all the end-all means of dictating anything. It's merely a tool that others can see certain LS's have indicated wishes to go to a certain area at that time.

I am too tired to type out my more indepth explanations, but you can read them on page 2 of that LiveJournal if you want.

Or you can continue to show absolutely no respect to the people who have been doing this for months on end. Does that mean just because we've been doing it for months on end that we should get everything and newer players should get nothing? No. While I'm sure some people feel that way, that was never the intention of a calendar system. I'm sure people are capable of civil conversation, people know who the leaders of the major LS's are, strike up a conversation sometime. It's not unfathomable.

~fin.

Well, just a thing, all people was born knowing all? seems like some people yes

Edited, Tue Oct 25 11:07:02 2005 by Squallido

I see lemonade, who has full access to our calendars, and has had for sometime, and conflicted with a previously scheduled event has now, and by now I mean within the past 30 minutes scehedule a run that can conflict with a run I have had scheduled for 3 weeks now.

Obviously this is deliberate.

According to the "Lord of the Flies" system the seem to work by I guess so.


We have runs posted clear up until November 29. This one has been posted 3 week, Lemonade decides at 1pm to do a 5:30 PM run? Ummm..no that doesn't look bad at all. not a bit.

So much for 'respect'.

So basically what your saying Mystoval before you edited your comments: Airamis calendar is personal, then what is Bedrocks the all knowing Calendar.


Edited, Tue Oct 25 13:52:53 2005 by UNCTGTG

Edited, Tue Oct 25 13:46:41 2005 by UNCTGTG

FFS, it's not a reservation for the umpteenth time....

It's a tool to INDICATE that a particular LS has an intention of doing said area at said time at said day.

It's called communication; most LS's are willing to negotiate if there is polite conversation that occurs between sackholders/linkshell leaders.

If you don't know, ask! Noone was born with this knowledge. I've posted about this before, but what annoys me is that people go on and on about how they shouldn't have to do any research whatsoever. When did "research" automatically imply "search on Google for 10 mins"?

Don't you know ANYONE who is a member of LS's that have been doing Dynamis for a while? Nobody? Can't you ask a simple question like "Hi, was wondering about Dynamis scheduling, etc. know any information or who I'd talk to?"

The simple reason I said this is because people in the HNM community aren't psychic; if you are up and coming and want to Dynamis, that's fine! But we can't predict the future and think "Hmm, I think that LS might want to do Dynamis in the future, let's schedule with them!"....it's you that has to contact us. While I realize that it must seem SO absolutely arrogant that you must try to establish communications with us, you're not willing to even see that?

And again, I'll say it: not everyone thinks the way I do, I'll admit it. Some are threatened, some are annoyed, whatever. This is a community of players, there's bound to be widely differing opinions. The problem is, a vocal minority of players openly bashing newer players is more easily seen than a majority who doesn't mind that much, to be honest. But a majority of the players in the Dynamis/HNM community would be content with a little effort on the part of newer players. This doesn't simply mean search on Google for 5 mins or so and call it quits....use simple methods of communication ingame. There's lists and lists of linkshells listed on this very site on this forum. Scroll through it and see who does Dynamis! Maybe they might have a clue as to how scheduling might work... is it that difficult to send a couple of tells to a sackholder and ask them a few questions?

And instead of simply telling us that the TSHoT calendar "sucks" and "blah blah", might you realize that it's an honest effort for setting up communication? It's meant as a means of scheduling and seeing who has intention to go to a particular area. It's not a manifesto that indicates that "LS A WILL TAKE AREA X ON DAY Y WITHOUT ANYONE HAVING ANY ATTEMPT AT SAYING ANYTHING DIFFERENT!!!"....

P.S. I totally dislike this karma system on this site. I love how every thread appears entirely one-sided as per usual. The MPK thread has pretty much everyone who isn't in Anzanas rated down (so basically one-sided that the newer LS's are always perfect and they are victimized, meanwhile the older HNM LS's are all evil greedy bastards who are feeling threatened). Same with this thread: everyone who is "part of the man" and part of a big HNM LS is automatically rated down in an effort to make sure that the "downtrodden" newer LS's are painted in a better limelight. It's not that simple. There are scores of players on both sides of this "fence" that are in the right AND in the wrong. It's a community for Pete's sake. I don't know why we can't start acting like one. Communicate.

One fact renders these statements invalid - No one really knew about the existence of the calendar until recently.

Is a Dynamis calendar a good idea? Undoubtably. But why take so long to announce it's existence here on these forums then berate those who did not use it because they never even knew about it?

How are people supposed to find out about these things? Are we supposed to check the forums of every linkshell there is on the off-chance we might just stumble across it?

Is it just me or is it that under such circumstances it is totally unreasonable to lambast people for not using something that they were not aware of?