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#1 Jul 22 2005 at 10:15 AM Rating: Default
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I posted this over on the main forum, just to help out with some of the rangers..any other combos that you can see, please post and help out the rangers. The ranger in my static did a little experimenting last night and here is what he had to say.


This is what happened in the last two nights of our static. Posted by our ranger "Airamis"



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I played RNG/WAR last night.

With Sushi I was at my pre-patch /NIN levels of DMG on pretty much everything from the sweet spot.

But with Yellow Curry, I was over that DMG, by a good 10-15 points per shot.

Throw in a Berserk and Warcry and I was hitting IT+ and ++ Gobs in Bibiki Bay for 140+ on a normal shot, Nailing my Barrages, and without realizing it I was pulling hate ( a new line to find, whoopity). At one point even the BLM asked what the hell I did, The Drk announced to the LS 'Rangers are back!' and we racked up XP like we always have.

Kept the Francisa for the Ranged Attack, gave up the off hand weapon, changed foods. Picked up Warcry and Berserk (careful with using both prior to WS, you WILL get a new friend) I now deal more on XP mobs than in the past.

BTW, I used a Gendawa (NQ) and Demon Arrows. So it's not like I was doing anything exotic or high priced.

Oh and TP gain was not a problem, despite never once being in Melee range.


So far I haven't been able to get a handle on GUNS however. They seem to have taken a legitimate whack. Maybe someone who uses them more than I do can shed some light. I don't thing /WAR will help you since GUNS get no benefit from the additional STR of WAR and Curry ( wasn't like I was overloaded on STR BTW, I'm hume and I was 60+9 with /WAR and Food)



Also, roughly 60 RNG on Ragnarok last night. 58 were subbing /NIN and one was /SAM. I was the lone /WAR. People need to be willing to at least EXPERIMENT before they go running off crying and shouting that the sky is falling.

Oh, and for those interested, over 200 BLM on at the same time.. .most of them under 25.
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Also Someone on Alla. Posted where to stand for maxium ranged damage.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.ht...8&num=5

Here is another thread of him posting his damage.

http://www.digitalbackspin.com/forum/inde...wtopic=2356

So basically just try new combos, it will work out..everything is not lost.

Now I don't know about gods, but I would assume if your kiting the mob rangers will just have to move shoot, move shoot But I don't know..
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#2 Jul 22 2005 at 10:46 AM Rating: Default
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More detailed post by Airamis.

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I went out last night, terrified. My second night of the patch and I was going to do something different. I was subbing WAR. I'd tried it at 54RNG but the tree is not the place for a RNG to be giving up a second melee weapon with +R ACC on it.

So I started to fret, I had to change macros I've had for A YEAR NOW. I had to remember where they all were.

Then I had to pick a food? Squid suish? Sole? Something else entirely? Give Curry another whirl? Solution? I took all three.

Then the set leader informs us we're going back to Bibiki bay and fighitng Gobs (oh great I make all these changes and he decides to go fight gobs. I got no shadows, new macros and a new sub. I am so dead).

We start off I pop Squid. Not bad. I'm ok in the sweet spot, WS are lacking. So I try Sole, things Improve.

My fingers keep hitting my Utsusemi macro only to get a "unable" erro. Oh yeah, new sub. Which then kicks my brain into gear. New sub, new abilities. WARCRY... DMG jumps... BERSERK...DMG JUmps... umm..hello?

A little while later I pop the Curry, WARCRY, BERSERK, Ranged attack hits an IT++ mob for 140+ consistently... Tanks starts sweating, I hit my WS, BLM shouts out "WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT!?", Mob comes rushing at me, DRK whiffs cause the mob is now all mine...and I gots no shadows. Tank gets it back, DRK announces to the LS "RANGERS ARE BACK!" and we proceed to flatten everything.

Without Warcry and Berserk my noraml Ranged attacks are 124+ on IT+ and IT++ mobs. Barrages are landing just fine and for nice 500 and up consistently, Arching arrow breaks 600 easily with everything running.

NO uber gear required either. Yes I have O-hat, and Amemt +1 but the Gendawa is a NQ and I was using Demons. If I had had a +1 I assume those numbers to be mildly higher.

If you want to be a Ranger, be a ranger. Work it, figure it out. At least in an XP party you can still do what you are used to doing.

Gods/HMN are a different matter from everything I have seen so far however. Just need to figure that one out too.
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#3 Jul 22 2005 at 11:03 AM Rating: Default
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Little surprised he doesn't know that STR & ratk boosts from /war & curry do in fact help Gun damage (sweet spot for gun is different than bow though), but glad to hear that he made it work.

I've needed another reason to finish off my /war, this may be the time to do so before finishing up my rng.
#4 Jul 22 2005 at 11:17 AM Rating: Default
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He, just like ever other ranger, still needs to experiment with many new combos, food, gear, and other stuff, but I am very glad to see that rangers weren't cut off the map completely.
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#5 Jul 22 2005 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Hehe, I was that only RNG/SAM last night :P

I prefer this combo because I like to skillchain. I got plenty more hp and str than I do when I used /nin, and the third eye every minute is pretty nice, especially since we don't get hate as easily anymore.
Meditate only gives 60tp but with the lack of meleeing we do now, it is a nice thing to have now.

I have yet to use /war since the patch but thanks for that info, I'll try it.
#6 Jul 22 2005 at 10:08 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah, leveling in kuftal this morning, (Subbing NIN still), I ate a marbled steak and was hitting for 90-100 a shot (Plus great holy damage, I was seeing in the 40+ range), slugs for around 600-700, with my othinus' bow. RNG is perfectly fine now, it just takes a bit more work
#7 Jul 23 2005 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I was Xp'ing w/ a Rng/Nin Last night in Kuftal Tunnel on some Crabs and Gobs. The Rng was doing anywhere from 60-120 Dmg on Regular Arrow shots, and Sidewinder was about 550's or so Dmg.

I'm Just a monk, but from my Observation, Rng is still a good Dmg Power-house, Exp Considering we were chaining IT HD's pretty smooth into the night.

Just as a Blurb, it seems the Changes to Nin are pretty cool too. While shadows do seem to loose hate, I've had fun working w/ the Nin's to Keep the Hate as well, w/ some Boosting and Chi Blasts when the time Calls for it.
#8 Jul 26 2005 at 8:30 AM Rating: Default
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Basically from what I have seen from most rangers that I have watched and seen over the last week, Subbing warrior or Ninja doesnt' really make a difference but a few points in damage. Now these are on xp mobs, Gods are another story.

Basically here is what I have seen.

Bows have the furthest damage from where u need to stand
Xbows are next but a little closer
and weird thing that Airamis found was guns do extreme well closer but just out of melee range.

So my conclusion of all this, ranger so called "nerf" is you can't melee anymore, just ranged, if you want the damage.
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#9 Jul 26 2005 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I also discovered, that a Repeating crossbow will let you stand at the crossbow sweet spot OR right up on the mob becuase it has such inherently low DMG. From what I could see, Sweet spot was about 8-10 more DMG than point blank. But with the rate of fire and the added melee DMG, you can actually crank out a steady stream of pain on the mob.

It pretty much sucks for WS though, but when' you're opening light anyway, it's not that big of a deal as long as you hit it.



#10 Jul 26 2005 at 9:27 AM Rating: Decent
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The possibility of /whm & loading up on MND gear with the repeating/machine xbow & spamming holy bolts came up in LS chat- but I don't know anyone that's tried it in an xp situation.

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