Info on certain chinese groupsFollow

Well, back to the issue with other HNM ls having with Kourtney and their crew, they have now been officially removed from our LS. I still feel somewhat pitiful at them (in both postive and negative ways), but when the majority tallies up, I believe that there's something with the person at that point. Usually I tend to believe it's just a bunch of kids playing this game whining, but eventually things start adding up.

And to further explain more of what I've learned of their crew, as well as LS_____ / Warchild, etc, over time when Zenas / Kourtney was in my LS. I am of chinese background myself, and can communicate to them with no problem, as well as comprehend atleast most if not all of what they tell me.

Group1: The following are one group of people:
Kourtney, Irina, Carmeia, Marylyn, Zenas, Ricohard, Windsor (Mostly members of Skywarrior LS (purple) )

Group2: The following is another group of people:
Aloker, Villok, Vamieok, Vivianky, Frederick, Vondilla, Yolonda, Nanokeya, Rasalasa (Mostly members of LS BeRich (teal) and Skywarrior)

Group3: This is another group of people:
Hitme, Lsfallenangel, Lsmbjaek, Lszyjjack, Lszyjjako, Bavant, Bigbom, Goodcat, Doctorman, Nottank. (Probably a few more of Warchild LS (gray) that I've missed)

There's probably a few more stray people I've missed, like the infamous MPK'ing BST Charleston.

Learning off a few key people, such as Aloker and Vivianky, Group 2 and Group 3 used to be seperate groups but combined forces (you probably saw them farming in Kuftal during the stages they were all DRKs, etc). Eventually, something happened within Feb/March of this year which caused them to split.

Vivianky told me that he felt the exact cause of this was their first intial breach of the standard HNM's - Simurgh and Roc. Basically, he told me that group2 and 3 used to fight and banded forces all the time, until after awhile Group2 was unhappy that Group3 started taking all the loots on the HNM and didn't share the profits with them.

Aloker's response about this - "They are trash" (translated, and directed towards group3)

Well anyways, Group1 leveled over the time period when Groups 2 and 3 were likely splitting apart. I was semi-retired in game during this intermission period, so I don't know really what happened.

Nowdays, Group 1 and 2 coexist without problems. They are seperate groups, but if something calls for an alliance, then they gather together and form one. However, they are constantly fighting with group 3 for lots of NM's and trigger mobs. I haven't seen Group2 MPK, but I've seen Group3 attempt to MPK them countless sorts of times (Defenders in MG room, Pots/Ghosts/Skels in Garlaige, etc). They do however, NM steal, which I will cover in a bit.

These groups all work in seperate places within China, they rarely use the chatmode Linkshell or Party command unless its communication across groups. I cannot confirm anymore if they are a gil-seller or not, because each time I press the issue, they continually reply that they aren't (groups 1 and 2), and are very unhappy that the general public does not believe them (especially group1). However, I can confirm myself that Group3 is a gilselling LS, because once during an interaction I had with them, I accused them of being gilsellers (in chinese) and they acknowledged that fact.

I was invited to go and watch them kill sky mobs (which all I basically did was skillup stuff like throwing and gkatana ..) and I saw them kill trigger mobs for Genbu, Seiryu, Suzuaku. So far, it seems as they don't know how to do Byakko yet.

Anyways, earlier when I was mentioning on stealing NM's - after getting to know them better and seeing their actions over time - it's safe to conclude that within the group, certain members DID NM steal. Vamieok (the RNG) is one, as well as Vivianky.
I tried many times to explain the standard ethics of H/NM claims - Original claimer gets to keep the NM, unless their crew dies or is in the complete verge of dying. I said to them if they were to lose claim to NA or JP, don't attempt to claim it.
So far it seems they have listened to this on Roc, when I saw that they listened after I told them to stop attempting to claim it. However, disclaimer is that I don't know what the future holds. I did tell them if they were camping against Group3, or if Group3 were to claim the NM, then I don't see any problems with them stealing from group3, because they already are harassed and MPK'ed by them always.

If anyone wants to post any additional things, feel free to do so. This was not directed as harassment towards any group in general, but rather, as an informative post.


Oh, and I forgot to mention that it seems likely that they are on 24/7, but they are not the same person playing behind that character during that time. For Group1 I know that they have a shift for one person at 8:00AM - 4-6PM their time, while there's a person that fills in the night crew. I don't know about groups2 and 3, but it is likely that they follow the same order, seeing how it is literally impossible to be playing this game 24/7.



Edited, Tue Jul 19 00:42:06 2005 by gaidensensei

On a side note, not all the people that you've mentioned are, in fact, gil sellers. A few joined those groups simply due to ease of communication. It didn't help that they were ostracised by the general English speaking society because they spoke mandarin and were immediately branded as 'gil-sellers'.

There are, however a large number of... 'groupies' that follow these groups around and provide additional manpower from time to time, or guidance through certain missions, NMs, etc. These mercenaries are usually billingual and can converse well with both English and mandarin societies.

Another thing I'd like to point out is that not all are from China. Some of them are from HK.

I recently returned from a trip to China, and having seen a number of these... "LAN cafes", I'm inclined to concur that they play on shifts, and usually just shout across the room to communicate. However each shift does not necessarily have to be in the same building. At a set time, everyone logs out, and some people in another location log on. (It was very creepy to be playing WC3 DOTA whilst spying on these people, getting carried away, then suddenly realising 5 mins ago the place was packed, and then suddenly you're the only 2 people in the room.)

Well, in the spirit of the OP, just my 2 gil. :)

" I just want to know why in the world would someone invite these sellers into a HNM guild to take on HNM's and Gods in Sky? What kind of deals were involved to insure regular players actually got items they needed?"

Actually it's the other way around. The gilsellers made the LS which camps HNM and gods, and regular players joined them. On one hand its pretty sad for these players to do this. On the other hand these players had applied to various HNM ls's and been turned down, so they did get to experience some endgame content that otherwise would not have been able to.

About the different groups of gilsellers. I have had major problems with both group 1 and 2. Most of my problems from kourtney alone, but aloker, vivianky and vamieok contributed as well. After they stole Mother Globe from us and MPK'd my LS, I was pretty upset. Followed Kourtney around the next day mpk'ing her/him over and over x_x. Finally had villok begging for us to be friends, so we offered to leave them alone if they return our springstone. In fact we gave them the option of either giving us the ro'maeve water in kourtney's bazaar or the springstone. They refused, but offered to help us kill Mother Globe.. lol. Anyways, hopefully they are starting to learn the ettiquite, or they will have major problems in sky. Group 3 I had problems with in the past but have since made ammends and actually believe they are attempting to follow rules. I Speak frequently with Lszjyjack, shes a 22 year old chinese girl about half the time. The other half its a guy playing the character who I dont know very well.

On that note, Kourtney stole Cassie two days ago and fought with the members of Group3.

Also note: A large number of normal players have apparently 'sold-out' and who[/b]red their expertise to these groups.

These mercenaries exchange their services and experience/information for gil, or a share of the loot.

/disgusted

/spitsat25RMBwh[b]ores