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yeah..I knew that :( alot of us knew Ensane...he was a great guy...always willing to help people..randomly too. I can't count the Kaz key runs he has helped me with.
GLLS let him back in because of the money and gil he gave them that he had stolen (mostly off Ens) their claim is "He was running a recon mission" - I guess it doesn't matter to them where the goods come from so long as they got them.
Ensane went out of his way to help Klu, theres very little klu has achieved without Ens help.
While we can lay the blame on Klu....what HNMLS would tolerate that behavior or even accept stolen goods...how can they not know the items Klu "Returned" with were stolen.
I remember when ENs first got Argus...he had stayed up all night.. it was like 4:30am when he got it. He was an avid Emp Pin hunter...All his Gil he earned....he was always so generous with people. Ens was an awesome gamer.
Even though people I call my friends are in GLLS, to me its like a blackmark on their honor and ethics. They know Klu gave them stolen goods and they do nothing to right the situation(or find a more respectable linkshell). It makes them equally as guilty.
Klu with the help of GLLS has sent the message that End Game to them means forming a HNMLS that condones the robbery of highly respected gamers to further their linkshells "needs"

Booog..I know you are a good guy but if you are still GLLS...do something.

Just to clear a few things up. The only thing that was returned to GLLS was an Osode and a Nobles Tunic that Bibrian stole from us.
Also, the deal with Ensane was something personal that has to deal with RL, there for we have decided that Klu and Ensane are to deal with this personally.
There is alot more to all of this, and klu has said he will post if need be.
Personally if those ppl were stupid enough to trade their items to him for 1 gil then to me they are the only ones to blame. Either way, Klu will more than likely post all the info on everything so that it can clear things up. I have seen most of the stuff, and in the end, only Thalion and Bibrian are the ones that look mean and heartless. They had planned on doing to Vanity what Klu did to them. The decided to let him in their LS just to take his serkets ring.
We are trying to fix the problem with the SH+1 that was taken from Orenshi. She had nothing to do with this, and as they would say, was caught in the cross fires.
klu is a good guy, and if anyone has ever taken the chance to really know him will see this. Before flaming him, maybe some should listen to him first. Basically everything he did, there was a reason for it. Let him tell his side of the story first. Then judge him.
I can honestly say, Thalion and Bibrian and a few others that use to be in our ls and are now in Thalion's are the ones that will look really bad and should be the ones getting flamed...not klu.

I'm not trying to butt-in but what do you guys do in HMN lend out pieces of Gear like that openly....knowing that someone will stab you in the back eventually....If someone doesn't get their way.

It's almost like saying "here, I'll let you handle my 4700 pieces of Relic Currency, for your SH." Knowing full well that 4700 pieces of currency goes for oh 84 mil, compared to 5.5mil.

Edited, Wed Jun 29 11:32:18 2005 by UNCTGTG

Edited, Wed Jun 29 11:30:03 2005 by UNCTGTG

I love how suddenly this is everyone's business. *rolls eyes*

Oh and for the record, I'm the Sheeba in the convo so I'm taking this all pretty personally.



Kluyasufoy didn't betray anyone in GLLS you moron.

TheCrew...yeah, the supposed "innocent people" in this drama ...made every attempt possible to drain our ls bank before they left. The only reason they didn't walk away with all our cash and multiple items was because my friend informed the leader what they were up to. Hell, Bibrian tried to lot on Kirin's Pole in an attempt to get more stuff from us. Kluyasufoya didn't betray anyone who wasn't already an admitted thief and liar. And instead of sitting back and watching it happen (like some OTHER "loyal" members of GLLS who also knew what was going on) he took action. Get your fu[/b]cking facts straight k thanks.

Twangz wrote:

...to get in the good books of the sacks after stealing 40-45M of EQ from people who trusted him...

He didn't steal from TheCrew. He got GLLS LS property back. Think of it more like repossession of stolen goods. Where ARE you getting your information?

Niobia wrote:

GLLS let him back in because of the money and gil he gave them that he had stolen (mostly off Ens) their claim is "He was running a recon mission" - I guess it doesn't matter to them where the goods come from so long as they got them.

Wow...you are way out of line. GLLS did NOT invite him back because he "bribed" us.

Kluyasufoya point blank asked the linkshell to vote on whether or not he should be allowed back. He offered up the Kirin's Osode and the Noble's Tunic, as well as his continued assistance (without reward...ie money, LS points or recognition) on God events and other things. Imagine tanking Kirin, dying to Stonega IV three times and then getting nothing out of it just becuase you told someone you would.

THAT is the kind of person Kluyasufoya really is. Seriously, stop spewing that crap. If you don't know what the hell you're talking about, shut the fu[b]ck up.



Ensane's re-telling of his tale of woe is starting to really **** me off. No one seems to realize that a) this was a personal matter based on an increasing argument between two people and that b) HELLO?!?! What kind of person gives their account info to someone? Seriously?? Does anyone stop and think for a minute "Hmmm, maybe I should give this person I've never met my password...".

In either case, unless you were DIRECTLY involved in the situation, you have NO idea what happened. TheCrew is pissed because they didn't get away with their plan to ***** GLLS over and now they are using the Ensane incident to play the innocent victims of the big bad evil Ninja man.

Stop spreading this garbage in an attempt to "enlighten" the rest of us. As Wiccatu said, anyone who knows Kluyasufoya will see that he is a good guy, a loyal friend, and a great player.

Sorry, I got riled up :<

/em gets a bag of popcorn

drama = meh, It's also the only reason I have left so many other ls' and probably will leave so many more...don't tell me drama is part of life because I don't care about your life's drama.

/em thinks he better get a jumbo pack of popcorn

I have two questions for you:

A) Are you now, or have you ever been, in GLLS or TheCrew?
B) Don't you have anything better to do?

Ahhh, well that explains everything then lol. Thanks for the info Boog, I'll hush now.

Yeah, and while you verbally attacked, universally offended and eventually got kicked for lack of participation and numerous complaints logged against you, I actually HELP and PARTICIPATE.

This is SO a personal vendetta against the LS booting you its not even funny.

I'm done responding to this thread now.

Give me an example of someone in that situation- because it wasn't the case. Thalion stopped getting drops because other RDMs had more points then him- which isn't surprising since he only showed up for gods.

Necro & Bib were told that the nobles were LS property when they were given to them- the fact that Bib tried to trade his points so that he could keep it is proof of that.

I understand you're still bitter fuse- and I was upset that you were wrongly grouped with the others that were booted in error, but your reaction on both private & public forums were so over the top, that reconciliation wasn't possible. However, I don't think you, or anyone outside of Klu & Ensane for that matter, are in a position to talk about what happened. They've known each other for a long time, before FFXI and what happened is a personal matter between the two of them.

HOw bout everyone from both LS's meet in Ballista, owner walks home with the gear....No questions asked.