Help me, I'm getting discouraged.Follow

OK, so after only venturing out of my moghouse for the past 2 months for friends AF&G1, Gobbies that won't pop, weekly set pt, and planned linkshell events, I decided to take a break from my money making crafting and venture into the world of Jeuno. I got a tell from a fellow asking me if I could help him with the Eldieme Necropolis clay quest - he was looking for 3 others. I told him that quest could easily be done with 2 people, since that is the number it took to open the correct doors.

We decided to head out, after he changed jobs to his RDM (so he could sneak/invis himself). I TOLD him bring 1 prism powder for the bomb, because it will aggro sight/magic. Since he did not know where to go in eldieme, I looked up on the web while I was headed there the location to drop. I left him at the gate and said to be careful (he was 25rdm/war at the time), and if sneak was wearing go to a safe place to recast. When I opened the doors, I told him to go south...He headed north...then when I waved at him and told him to go south, he headed south.

I proceeded to the gate while explaining to him exactly what to do - Before you enter the big room, cast invisible, make sure you have sneak, hug the wall, and head NORTH...go up the stairs until you see a lever. Wait until the bomb is facing the other way...cancel invisible, pull the lever...use the prism powder...do not use magic.

The next thing I know, he is in Jeuno. He said the bomb was too close to him so he warped. he never opened the door. When I asked him...he said he did not want to die..I told him that if he had waited until the bomb was not facing him, he could use the lever, and chances were that I would get there before it turned again...Besides, lvl 25... raise...thats even a good area for raise once bomb is destroyed (gee, one guess how I know THAT one). Then he proceeded to ask me if any of my other high level friends could go open the lever so he could finish his quest.

SO I guess here is my question...or my concern...or the end of my rant..whatever...Have we as some relatively high levels, spoiled lower levels so much that they can not even pull their own weight on their OWN quests? Was I asking too much of this guy who wanted to finish his quest that he actually open a door and buy a prism powder in case he needs it? And, NO, lvl25 was not his highest lvl...he was a 40something DRG when he first sent me the tell.

And, finally, I really want to be able to help random strangers. It is one of the very cool things of the game. There are a number of times when I listen to shouts and teleport everyone for free just so I can hi to new faces. What can I do to try to avoid something like this? How can I help the people, that, in MY MIND, deserve help the most - the ones that would do it themselves, but actually NEED someone to help them (like 3 people to open garliage gates). BUT, not someone that wants the quest done, wants the reward, but wants to put forth NO EFFORT whatsoever to make it happen. Any helps, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated...Please please make them constructive?

/comfort Kamkam.

People who are industrious in real life tend to be industrious in the game; and similarly, people who are lazy-asses in real life will be lazy-asses in the game generally.

You have my accolades for trying to make the Ragnarok world a better place by lending a helping hand....to bad the person you were helping was a lazy cuss.

It's people like you that are a joy to help. And you are right, it's a huge accomplishment when you do it on your own. And sadly, it's a feeling a lot of players choose to cheat themselves of by expecting someone to do it for them.

I hate when people don't even know the zone the fight is in. That's fine if you don't know how to get to the actual spot, but at least have the zone and a map coordinate or something that helps us find it. Nothing more fustrating then doing an af fight thinking it's going to be quick just to run around the place looking for a ???. The other massive pet peeve is people who don't do their legwork first. I often help out with rank 5 for people and I absolutely hate when they haven't even talked to anyone yet for it and haven't obtained the key items they can obtain on their own. They expect you to lead them around Jueno by the nose from npc to npc and even want you to get the meat for them so they don't have to buy it at the ah. =\ Same with a dragon fight I was asked to help with not too long ago. I join the party just to find out the person still has to go visit all of the cities. I didn't stick around. Even more fun when they don't research the quest and don't realize they have to visit the cities and you get the the bc just to find out that they can't enter. I once went with a party out of the kindness of my heart. 4 people needed it, 2 of us were helpers. Only 1 of the people who needed it actually did the legwork. How we got that win I will never know.

I'm sure we've all had our fair share of horror stories when trying to help. And I'm sure when we were starting out we may have caused our own share of horror stories when someone was trying to help us. I understand there is a learning curve and so I try to have extra patience on the newer players. When helping them I try to also guide them into how to fend for themselves and get themselves prepared for future things. But by rank 5 or af, if you haven't learned how to prepare yourself before asking for help, then you are most likely one of the ones that are looking for a handout, not help.

I just don't get the point of playing the game if you don't actually participate in the challenging stuff. That's the big part of the game. The quests and missions and major fights are a big part of the game, why people always want the easy way out is beyond me.

There is nothing wrong with trying your best and dying to accomplish a goal in FFxi...It is a game afterall. If you don't risk, you will never obtain the sweet nectar of victory.

While dying in FFxi isn't pleasant, I find it is generally instructive and teaches me to try to not make the same mistake again.... I generally play bst and tend to die regularly ... /shrug

Some examples:

To obtain Rank4, it was truly a lesson of stealth (sneak/invis) vs. brawn to avoid the mobs as much as possible until we could reach the top of the tower and fight the NM for the key (went as whm33).

To obtain Rank5, I think I must have died 6 times to finish that mission as a whm34....but when it was finally completed, it felt well earned.

For Genki 1, I was able to solo the exoray mold...hehe, died once... but taught me to be aware of what is behind me.

For Genki 3, I pretty much soloed the castle oz. portion, and duoed the beadeaux and davoi portion with a fellow Linkshell member who also needed it completed.... /cheers on Rmog (you are one cool rdm).

For Crawler's Nest Coffer Key, after 2 deaths .... I finally got it to drop off a helm beetle.

I think I have died about 300+ times, according to what the moogle told me....hopefully each death has taught me something useful.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, but please do your research and any legwork necessary before seeking assistance to facilitate the successful completion of the objective.