Your opinion on WAR???Follow

There is absolutely no offense directed to you in the following message.

Choosing a party is very similar to like choosing a team to play major league sports.

You will never see team managers settle for less - they want the best possible setup that will guarantee whatever goal they have.

The same scheme of thinking works for a lot of other things.. You should open up your views a bit and look at the world out there, for example, do you see professional managerial positions settling for less on the applicants for a certain job? No, they will always choose the one that looks the best.

There are a few exceptions out there, but it's small.

I'm sorry for your loss of self, but there is not much honestly that can be done about it.

You'll just have to live with it, and keep it up. WAR 60-75 is a pretty long road, a bigger stretch from 1-60 combined IMO.

But if a manager is presented with two pitchers, one right-handed and one left-handed, he won't say "All left-handed pitchers suck" simply because some other manager (or "strategy" website) told him so.

Every job is useful in its own way. There are no exceptions. People just need to do a little ouside-the-box thinking. That doesn't mean it's easier to use certain jobs, it just means that different jobs call for different strategies.

Things have a way of balancing out, too. While my THF doesn't get as many invites as a BLM does, the percentage of good parties I'm in seems to be a lot higher.

Edited, Tue May 10 13:14:47 2005 by Eekiki

My opinions on WAR:

Warrior is probably the first melee that would ever get an invite from me (not including RNG >.>). Their damage can be insane, and they can take the hits if they get hate (which a good Rampage or Raging Rush will). Sure I may be partial because I have partied with an awesome WAR for like 9 levels, but I have also partied with all other DDs and WAR is by far my favorite to have. I mean if somehow your tank goes down (which I hope is rare with me around), WAR pops on their AF (GO SPORTS BRA!) and you got a psuedo tank.

All the melee are great, some however, get a bad reputation...however my opinion, as a whm, a Warrior (especially with /nin) in the place of a DRK or THF usually saves me 100 mp a fight. I am not bashing other jobs, just giving my opinion on the one you asked for.

As for invites, once you get Mistral Axe, expect people to beg you to come open light for them. Stick with it, hopefully it'll get better.

I know exactly what you mean, my main is a sam and i have been lvl 55 for 2 weeks now, and im only about 5k tnl. Sam is a great job which i believe is essential for multiple WS. But there really isnt anything i can do about, i just gotta start my own pts i suppose.

Hiya Sturg, Grommet here ^^

My sense is that you're the victim of two things. Fortunately, the second one probably will go away once you get cyclone.

1. Increasing Specialization At Higher Job-Levels. At the lowest levels, the jobs have the most "overlap." As we get higher and higher, the expectation of most people seems to be greater and greater specialization. WAR is more "generalized" a DD than are most of the other DD roles, so perhaps people forget that Plain Vanilla can still be a damned fine ice cream cone.

2. Some jobs go through patches (level-ranges) at which demand for them in PTs dips. [I have already started to experience this as 41WHM: see, RDMs (at 41) have just gotten Refresh, so, although PTs still preFER a WHM as main healer, they can "get by" OK with a RDM/WHM and one other backup healer -- and won't wait around to find a WHM.] Perhaps WAR at 61 is in an anlogous situation: did 1 or 2 other DD jobs, at 60/61, just get some kickass new skill or trait?

Sturg, you have just expressed teh same thing I've been speaking about for nearly 2 months, i suppose it was going in one ear and out the other until you hit 61 as well, so hah.

Anyhow, I agree. WAR and DRG may not be chocolate chip cookie dough or some other extremely good flavor of ice cream, but hey. Chocolate and vanilla still rock, when given the chance.

Besides, I swear if i walk onto 1 more airship and catch more than 8 people wearing the SAME gear, i may have to go stab a bunny.

I have seen just how extreme the looking and waiting for that ideal job has gotten, as I had a whm (won't mention names) pass me up at lvl 57 for a 57drk/20nin... come on. Are you so hungry for a big ole scythe that you'll accept him as gimp, even though all my gear was up to date, had AF waiting to be equipped, etc.? Would it hurt to break out of the mold for once, and give some of the more obscure jobs a chance to prove to you that we enjoy parties as much as any ranger, nin, pld, rdm?

I usually try not to get all bothered by things in this game, but the things that go on in Ragnarok stike a stragely familiar spot as did a certain other topic in america at least, being well, the 60's. Cookie cutters, all doing the same thing thinking it's teh only way it'll work, and the hippies (drg, mnk, war) fighting against the current, trying to open the way for a more open society.

We can only do so much to change, but YOU, as the individual playing your job, has to make the decision that "hey, I'm not going to invite the same rng who pulls too much hate, the same rdm who despises casting refresh because it is a hassle, the same nin/war who don't use his tools to keep hate, but relies on his weapons and voke alone. I'm going to invite that WAR who's got newly shined axes that haven't tasted blood in a month. I'm going to invite that DRG whose lance is yet to taste a Torama, even though his gear is beyond par, damn near eagle. I'm going to invite that mnk, looks like he's been gaining weight since he hasn't had the chance to punch a mob in such a long time."

You've heard all the pleading, and complaining that some of the jobs have done, but we can't change the situation by ourselves... so help us.

The thing is, even as much as we can rant about this on forums and create huge debates - I'm sure less than 5-10% of the total server population even bothers reading a forum on a daily basis.

That being, the message which many of us know here, which is to liberate all the other 'possible job combinations' for a party needs to be unbiased and no more stereotypes.

If you can get a majority of the server population to listen up, then you will definately see change.

However through something like this - not much may happen, although it is possible for it to occur slowly within time.

Just about every other forum's job section I've known of always has complaints about this job and that.. Everyone who participates on a daily basis of some sort should know already what is going on.

A simple metaphor I can think of, is like a member in part of a protest that is complaining to the whole group on a protest day..
You really need to get the message into the server.

WAR CAN VOKE!!!!! << my first reaction upon seeing the title =]

But after reading ur thread, i kinda feel ashame my self.....'cause it happened to me once too.

There was a time i was the leader at lv59, the plds and nins were all out dating, while my party needed a tank REALLY bad.

And here comes the lv58 WAR/NIN looking for PT (and it's on bilingual searching), I actually did thought of inviting him, but the second thought comes to my mind... "the rest of the PT will be mad" without even ask for their opinion... maybe it's 'cause i see no one ever mentioned that there's a WAR/NIN seeking when all of us are doing a /search.

To me, I hardly ever had a WAR tank after lv30, and maybe it builds in me that WAR is just not a tank. But come to think of it......WHY ONLY WARRIORS HAVE PROVOKE!?!?!?!?!? I know it's not the only way to pull hate....but it's more obvious way to pull hate than other spells or job abilities.

Btw my PT was ranged from lv59-60 also..

Yup, I've had that happen. "full pt? yeah? oh, you're a drg? oh, uh... I've gotta... go... farm honey for uh... my... grandmother..." :-\