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#27 Dec 02 2004 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent

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Well... after I said I'd stop posting I really thought I was going to. I even considered getting a staff just to see how it would work out. When I got to the auction house I was looking at them and I asked myself, "Self... Why do these all look so incredibly useless?" (Sometimes I talk to myself because I like to have an intelligent conversation). So then I asked my linkshell and they all agreed that a staff is useless for BRD. So then I told myself, "Self, what if they don't know... you should ask more people." So I decided to figure out how to do the vote thing and try it in /party chat before I bothered anyone. Well, maybe I'm not so intelligent and I screwed up and did it for everyone to hear. Surprisingly... only one vote for Elemental Stave. Do with that what you will.

That's nice, but how do I even know that this little story of yours is true? You could be just grasping at straws in an attempt to prove me wrong through any means necessary, even lying.

Also, even if true, that doesn't exactly make your sources reputable. For all I know you could have polled a bunch of people who can't even use elemental staves yet. Or, for that matter, people who wouldn't know the difference, such as melee's.

And what am I willing to bet that that one vote you got came from the only other high-lvl mage present?

The fact is that elemental staves do, in fact, have this hidden +10% bonus to aid spells in landing. Ask any 70+ BLM or RDM why they carry around a full set of staves. Heck, while you're at it, ask them why they put it in their equip macro every time they cast a spell of that element. They'll tell you the same thing.

Go post on the Bard boards. Ask them why 90% of those who are above 50 carry around a Light and Earth staff, and ask them why they put the Lightstaff in their Lullaby macro and the Earthstaff in their Elegy macro. They'll tell you the same thing.

Join a party of 70+'s. Ask anyone who has *ever* played a mage past 50. They'll tell you the same thing.

Join a good, reputable HNMLS. Ask the BRDs, RDM's, and BLM's in there. They'll tell you the same thing.

I do believe the deck is stacked against you. But if you want to have your friends sock-puppet this thread to death and tell me why I'm wrong, then bring it on.

Edited, Thu Dec 2 11:00:21 2004 by Cydille

#28 Dec 02 2004 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent

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And in case I'm not convincing enough...

From the Bard forums - Good explanation of why ele. staves are beneficial to we merry minstrels.

A similar thread from the BLM forums.

And another, also from the BLM forums.

A complete Bard guide which lauds elemental staves. A quote:

"You'll NEED to pick up a Light Staff, it's probably our most powerful weapon for the rest of the game. Not only does it make your Cures more powerful, but it has a hidden effect that helps us stick our light-based offensive songs. That means that Requiem and Lullaby will enjoy the effects of the staff, and it helps more than the CHR from the Monster Signa ever could. After that, get an Earth Staff for the same reason, it'll help you land your most important offensive song, Elegy, more often (and you'll also take less damage should you somehow manage to get aggro)."

A good thread in which the signa vs. staff debate is discussed a little. Some quotes:

"At 48+ in Garliage I started to notice considerable debuff resists, which died really quickly once I hit 51 and could equip my elemental staves." - JeyKama

"Monster Signa: I got it. I thought it was gunna be awsome! I was wrong. --; There was literaly no difference." - Nekky

"terra's and apollo's are both better than signa. Terra's is best IMO, especially at 75 (in fact, apollo's doesn't really matter much anymore once you hit 75), and apollo's is also better than signa" - Titanmahler

From The Bard Guide by Trickybeck: "At level 50+, you can use the Elemental Staves to increase the power of your debuffs. Light Staff will increase Requiem, Dark Threnody, and Cure potency. Earth Staff will increase Elegy. Macro these staves in for specific songs."

These are just a few examples; I could look up many more if you wish.

I do believe the word is "pwned."

Edited, Thu Dec 2 11:30:25 2004 by Cydille

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That would be the word I guess.

On another note, so bards songs benefit from the staves just in the same ways as black mages attack spells then (fewer resists and better potency)? Too bad it seems as if red mages enfeebles only(!) get the benefit of lower chance of resists when using the appropriate staff. In the case when our spells stick at nearly every attempt anyway we seem to benefit more from the higher mnd/int you get from a wand than the effect of an elemental staff.

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In the case when our spells stick at nearly every attempt anyway we seem to benefit more from the higher mnd/int you get from a wand than the effect of an elemental staff.

A quick search on the RDM forums turned up this thread; here's what it had to say:

"Do I still need my Wand? Ok hot shot, you've got ALL the staves... So you can dump the wand now right? Absolutely not, buy the best one out there and carry it to every XP session. But when do you use it? This is where we get into the "feel and judgement" part of RDM, or dare I say "player skill." I'm learning this as well (I didn't mean to sound cocky, I'm not) but I'd like to share what I've learned. Realizing that MND/INT is what affects our Enfeebling Damage, then we need to get as much as we possibly can into each cast. The basis of this whole guide is to help people understand that if you can land your enfeebles with the wand, then do so! That extra 8 or 9 MND over your elemental staves is HUGE as long as the spell lands effectively and stick "harder." How much would a melee pay for a +8 or +9 boost in STR, are you kidding?!?

If you are fighting IT+++ mobs that are strong to Ice, then you'll likely need that Ice Staff to land Paralyze. However, it's they're IT+ or below, maybe sneak in a few with Mr. Mythic Wand and see how it goes. This is actually pretty fun because you will quickly learn more about your job and how you can even better perform your duties. Instead of just spending 90 billion gil on the staff set, you can even properly use them!

NM/HNM/Gods/Sleeping Adds are all OWNED by the Elemental Staff set. Maybe all the VT/IT/IT+ camps are taken and your party needs to step up to something a little too hard, as we all learned from our soloing adventures a properly debuffed mob can be reduced several levels quickly. The staves also hold trump in this arena."

In other words, for the majority of EXP parties you are correct, but for the end-game, elemental staves are always > wands.

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Cydille- Heziki: Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Elemental staves > signa.

Wow... First and foremost I never knew anyone could be wrong on an opinionated statement?

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To elaborate on the staves... they have a hidden bonus which gives a +10% chance for debuffs to land. They don't "increase potency," but they do have a much greater effect than Signa or any other +CHR item in the weapon/shield slot ever could in helping debuffs land.

Hmm.. This statement would be held in highest validity IF Heziki said he was having a problem with debuffs landing which he never mentioned.

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That's nice, but how do I even know that this little story of yours is true? You could be just grasping at straws in an attempt to prove me wrong through any means necessary, even lying. Also, even if true, that doesn't exactly make your sources reputable. For all I know you could have polled a bunch of people who can't even use elemental staves yet. Or, for that matter, people who wouldn't know the difference, such as melee's.

Wow... Once again. That statement would have to be the most juvenile thing you have posted in this entire topic, or perhaps you simply felt you may have been wrong. And no this was a "poll" that Heziki did ask since I was present at the time. I am able to use staves as well with both of my jobs that I level. Also, the comment about melee's not knowing about staves is ridiculous, how do you know they arent already on their third or forth job that they are taking to end game and their mains are mage class.

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Ask any 70+ BLM or RDM why they carry around a full set of staves.

Since its clearly apparent you are knit-picking you should have also mentioned smn's as well since HQ versions lower avatar perpetuation costs. But lets not get technical I am sure you knew and just forgot to cut and paste it?

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A quick search on the RDM forums turned up this thread; here's what it had to say: for the majority of EXP parties you are correct, but for the end-game, elemental staves are always > wands.

Hmm this is about Signa's value not about RDM's which should've been posted on a RDM forum however this is the only thing that you said that could not be misconstrued as an opion and being truthful.

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And "all the +CHR items you can get" isn't "a requirement" by any means, even for the endgame. Why spend millions of gil on luxury gear just so you can upgrade your Elegy landing chance on gods from "once in a blue moon" to "twice in a blue moon"? :P

Aren't you yourself saying that having +CHR is a positive factor? Thus making you a hypocrite?

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I do believe the word is "pwned."

Hmm you said it yourself.

Also for the multiple quotes on a single posting. I didnt feel like spamming with posts over and over like some people hence the single post.

Edited, Sat Dec 4 04:08:10 2004 by CrimsonHunter

#32 Dec 04 2004 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent

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CrimsonHunter - For the record, Heziki apologized to me in-game and I was prepared to let this thread die. But if you want to make a complete *** of yourself by twisting my words, making assumptions about things that neither I nor he ever said, and rating me down for *gasp* offering proof of what I'm saying, then go ahead. I don't really care. Not like any of your out-of-context quotes or personal attacks justify a response in the first place.

With that, I'm going to let this tread drop off. I hope you'll do the same, since its original intent was fulfilled, Heziki and I have made amends, and no one but you really seems to give a damn anymore.

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My apology was only to make sure there was no bad blood. I was not saying that I was wrong. I simply want no problems between myself and anyone else. Personally I felt like I was being attacked by Cydille (and TSHoT) for simply stating my experience and trying to be diplomatic (vote process). Luckily for some reason I got rated up more than I have ever been while posting in these forums. Of course I got my first rate-downs, undoubtedly by some of the people involved in this discussion (not mentioning names) but I managed to stay in the positive area. I was also called a liar (which was very strange, and quite possibly an act of desperation (I have no idea)) even though I had no reason to be called that. So being (the bigger person) as nice as I am, I decided to make a "peace offering" between myself and others (without doing it in a post) to make sure that I was not interpreted as some malicious evil person. Personally I have no reason to argue about this because I really don't care.

However, I do agree that Cydille did stress the importance of +CHR in an earlier post. And if you cruise the BRD forums you will see just as many posts (if not more) about the importance of +CHR as you will about elemental staves. I also agree that I never said I have a problem landing debuffs. Hence the reason that I stated that each stave looked useless to me. Hidden ability to land debuffs 10% more + whatever else each stave offers to me = useless.

My favorite saying: "I can sleep Jesus." (sorry to any religious people I may offend with that.)

But I promise... when I get my BLM and RDM a little higher... I am all over those things.

Edited, Sat Dec 4 14:24:15 2004 by Heziki

#34 Dec 04 2004 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent

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i have something for you.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=11002484165231224

Fire Staff/Vulcan's Staff
[Lv51 DMG30/35 DLY366/356 Str+4/5 ICE+15/20 Atk+10 Ratk+10 Additional Effect: Fire Damage ALL]
FIR element magic damage+10/15%. ICE element magic damage-10/15%. Perpetuation cost of Ifrit-2/3. Perpetuation cost of Shiva+2/3.

Ice Staff/Aquilo's Staff
[Lv51 DMG30/35 DLY366/356 Int+4/5 WND+15/20 Elemental Magic Skill+10 Additional Effect: Ice Damage ALL]
ICE element magic damage+10/15%. WND element magic damage-10/15%. Perpetuation cost of Shiva-2/3. Perpetuation cost of Garuda+2/3.

Wind Staff/Auster's Staff
[Lv51 DMG30/35 DLY366/356 Agi+4/5 ERT+15/20 Evasion+10 Additional Effect: Wind Damage ALL]
WND element magic damage+10/15%. ERT element magic damage-10/15%. Perpetuation cost of Garuda-2/3. Perpetuation cost of Titan+2/3.

Earth Staff/Terra's Staff
[Lv51 DMG30/35 DLY366/356 Vit+4/5 LTG+15/20 Physical Damage Taken-20% Additional Effect: Earth Damage ALL]
ERT element magic damage+10/15%. LTG element magic damage-10/15%. Perpetuation cost of Titan-2/3. Perpetuation cost of Ramuh+2/3.

Thunder Staff/Jupiter's Staff
[Lv51 DMG30/35 DLY366/356 Dex+4/5 WTR+15/20 Critical Hit Rate+15 Additional Effect: Lightning Damage ALL]
LTG element magic damage+10/15%. WTR element magic damage-10/15%. Perpetuation cost of Ramuh-2/3. Perpetuation cost of Leviathan+2/3.

Water Staff/Neptune's Staff
[Lv51 DMG30/35 DLY366/356 Mnd+4/5 FIR+15/20 Divine Magic Skill+10 Additional Effect: Water Damage ALL]
WTR element magic damage+10/15%. FIR element magic damage-10/15%. Perpetuation cost of Leviathan-2/3. Perpetuation cost of Ifrit+2/3

Light Staff/Apollo's Staff
[Lv51 DMG30/35 DLY366/356 Str+1/2 Dex+1/2 Vit+1/2 Agi+1/2 Int+1/2 Mnd+1/2 Chr+1/2 DKN+15/20 Cure Potency +10% Additional Effect: Light Damage ALL]
LIT element magic damage+10/15%. DKN element magic damage-10/15%. Perpetuation cost of Carbuncle-2/3. Perpetuation cost of Fenrir+2/3.

Dark Staff/Pluto's Staff
[Lv51 DMG30/35 DLY366/356 Str+1/2 Dex+1/2 Vit+1/2 Agi+1/2 Int+1/2 Mnd+1/2 Chr+1/2 LIT+15/20 MP Regeneration While Healing+10 Additional Effect: Dark Damage ALL]
DKN element magic damage+10/15%. LIT element magic damage-10/15%. Perpetuation cost of Fenrir-2/3. Perpetuation cost of Carbuncle+2/3

i think these would be considered worth more then a signa -.-'

CHR does help brd, it is a possitive factor~ But the elemental staves help more overall (i'm gonna hold overall as an all job thingy just incase i'm wrong Smiley: tongue

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#35 Dec 04 2004 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent

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Sweet post Deadgye... good rate-up on that. I like these staffs myself. Like I said... need 'em for my mages. What I was wondering is if someone could post something about the +10% debuffs landing thing. I followed the link (rate-up to all who mention) but I saw nothing of that mentioned, even though what I saw seemed to be rather complete. However, I do see a lot about increasing the potentcy of each elements magic. Maybe I am reading it wrong.

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Heziki wrote:

However, I do see a lot about increasing the potentcy of each elements magic. Maybe I am reading it wrong.

I think the way to look at it is that the songs or any debuffs all have an element tied to them. If the staff makes that element more powerful then the debuff would become more powerful and be resisted less. I think that's the logic of it all...

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CrimsonHunter - For the record, Heziki apologized to me in-game and I was prepared to let this thread die. But if you want to make a complete *** of yourself by twisting my words, making assumptions about things that neither I nor he ever said, and rating me down for *gasp* offering proof of what I'm saying, then go ahead. I don't really care. Not like any of your out-of-context quotes or personal attacks justify a response in the first place.

First I didn't twist your words around I cut and pasted what you yourself had typed. Secondly I didn't rate you down either, I didn't even rate you. So frankly, you made an *** out of yourself for assuming. Also, I don't rate down. I have better stuff to do than act like a child.

Also Deadguy, like I said I am fully aware of what elemental staves do as a mage class had you fully read my posting. K thnx. There is no where in my entire posting where I mention as to which holds a higher value to a bard. Therefore your posting of the stats on staves was redundant and not needed once again since I am already aware of the value for mages (If I haven't stressed it already both of my main jobs I level are mage class). However, the link did have some nice other latent effects stuff on items I wasn't aware of rate up.

I think it' funny how Heziki stated that having a Signa was his personal preference (also never mentioning any resists or failed attempts) and then Cydille says how he is wrong for having a choice/preferrance and makes ten-zillion postings on how she is right and he is wrong (Arrogance perhaps?). Like I stated in my first posting on this subject. Heziki made no mention of resists or failures, if he did he MAY want to consider a elemental staff to figure out himself which would indeed be better as his preference (when and if that comes you can try out my staves). Once again my whole reason for posting was I really don't see how a player can be wrong for having a preference in which they don't have any problems with and yet have a player make a clear attempt to make them look stupid and prove them wrong.

Edited, Sat Dec 4 17:16:23 2004 by CrimsonHunter

#38 Dec 09 2004 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent

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bumpy bumperton... Someone post something on the +10% debuff thing please. Something nice like Deadgye's post.

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There is a rumor now that since the update, this guy spawns everywhere in that area now. Possibly anywhere in that grid square. People might have half a shot on camping this while the spawn is not exactly known. (Why do people always assume they have to buy an NM drop?)

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Yeah... I camped him yesterday and he popped up the hill. Take a widescan job.

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I haven't been on for a week, is there a difference with the NM's...like if there are just as many or less people camping them as usual...if the drop/spawn rate is higher/lower/unchanged etc. Or has the update introduced something new that simply replaces the usefulness of this thing?

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BUMP!

Can anyone find anything about the +15% debuffs thing on staves? I'm really interested in learning more about that.

Thanks...

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Same thing with me. I ended up buying mine on fenrir for 470k, but hey, its WELL worth it.

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There is a rumor now that since the update, this guy spawns everywhere in that area now. Possibly anywhere in that grid square. People might have half a shot on camping this while the spawn is not exactly known. (Why do people always assume they have to buy an NM drop?)

i loved camping him.. i was able to talk with the ls while spamming voke.. usally got him.. camped him once every few months.. he was how i made money.. now if i need to make money i'd need to sub rng and spam widescan then search a lot.. >.<

the one thing i loved about him was i was able to do little while camping him.. another reason why i didn't like camping VE a lot... but alas.. i can't do that anymore >.<

Edited, Tue Dec 14 23:59:24 2004 by Deadgye

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#45 Dec 24 2004 at 4:56 PM Rating: Default

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Okay... this is my last bump. Mostly a call out to Cydille to post something about the +10% debuff thing. If there is no response with something that looks as nice as what Deadgye found I will assume that it is just a myth. I mean unless it's "double-secret hidden effect" that only Cydille knows about. No offense Cydille. You were awefully rude to me though for something that doesn't seem to exist. Once again I agree that the staves have some use but they do not help land debuffs like +CHR does. Please read Deadgye's posting and tell me what you think. I'm sure I will get rated down for this but I don't really care. I just wanna know for sure.

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coming from someone that likes to toot their own horn so much but pretty much ran a "personals add" as to how they needed a hnmls that should speak of ones own validty. just do your own thing and not everyone knows what they are talking about when they believe they do

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Seriously, tho, I'm beginning ta get serious about shopping around for a HNM LS, and was wondering if anyone would be willing ta accept a poor BRD. :) I'm currently in a primarily social linkshell, & I have way too many friends there ta leave completely, so "purists" - i.e. those who would only want me ta be in 1 shell at all times - needn't apply. Also, I'm staying on Ragnarok, so no shells that are moving please. Otherwise, as long as you're a nice group of people I really don't care; im sure I'll get to know ya all well. Post here or /tell Cydille in game if you're interested in recruiting me, or want more info about me or sumthin :)

if you were that good of a bard and knew so much you wouldnt post how you needed a hnm shell to be in.

link : https://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=53&mid=1096579650551551889

Edited, Sat Dec 25 05:44:37 2004 by FaceInTheCrowd

#47 Dec 25 2004 at 10:35 AM Rating: Default

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Wow... at least I got one Christmas present this year.

Here are some of my favorite posts on this thread so far... from Cydille.

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Why spend millions of gil on luxury gear just so you can upgrade your Elegy landing chance on gods from "once in a blue moon" to "twice in a blue moon"? :P

What exactly does this mean? CHR does or doesn't help landing debuffs?

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To elaborate on the staves... they have a hidden bonus which gives a +10% chance for debuffs to land. They don't "increase potency," but they do have a much greater effect than Signa or any other +CHR item in the weapon/shield slot ever could in helping debuffs land.

Talk to any other 70+ bard worth her Corsette +1 and they'll back me up.

Very hidden bonus. So hidden only you know about it apparently. At least to me it looks like there is only increase in potency rather than incresed success rate. And the potency increase seems to only work on elemental magic damage. Not sure if that means element base of magic or only Stone, Aero, Fire etc. Does it increase the anmount of Ballad you get? No? Okay then. Oh... and I have talked to plenty of other BRD's thanks.

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Join a good, reputable HNMLS. Ask the BRDs, RDM's, and BLM's in there. They'll tell you the same thing.

I do believe the deck is stacked against you. But if you want to have your friends sock-puppet this thread to death and tell me why I'm wrong, then bring it on.

Hmmm... We'll talk about this in a minute and I didn't bring one friend into this either. However you smeared a lil TSHoT from what I can see.

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These are just a few examples; I could look up many more if you wish.

I do believe the word is "pwned."

Why didn't you post anything about the importance of +CHR. Did you look past all those posts? How bout that nice thread where it is explained that when fighting gods you need every piece of +CHR you can get?

Okay now... As far as throwing your LS name around like a bag of rocks... not a good idea. I have have seen "good, reputable" HNMLS's break for less than this type of behavior. Not that I am saying anything bad about TSHoT (like a lot of people do) because I have some friends in there and I respect them. In fact compared to some other HNMLS's that I have seen around (not mentioning names) TSHoT is a step ahead. However, maybe they need to adjust their recruiting techniques. I would never join them that's for sure. Especially with someone like Cydille in them. A person recruited no more than 2 months before this thread started and acting like the messiah of HNMLS's. Obviously has her facts a little mixed up and flaming good players like "omgwtfbbq". Spoony bard #2? What does that tell me? Probably that TSHoT needs more BRD's and that Cydille only had one other BRD to base her thoughts on.

Once again... staves rock for mages and I'm sure I will buy some as soon as I level RDM some more. I also know I will be rated down a bit for this but I need to sacrafice myself to get my point across. Oh... and if you can still find something solid about the increased debuff success rate, post it.

Merry Christmas!

Edited, Sat Dec 25 11:13:58 2004 by Heziki

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I have been following this thread for a while. Never responded. I can tell by the massive rate-downs that Cydille has read it though. Apparently she doesn't have anything else to say. I wonder why? Well... TSHoT is a great LS if they just flame people and rate them down. Apparently you don't have anything better to do than rate down people who have something intelligent to say. What does that say about you? I will leave that up to you guys. They don't call you TSH!T for nothing though I'll tell you that. TSHoT will always hold a special place in my heart. Sorry about that Heziki. From bard to bard I give you rate-ups for knowing what your talking about.

Edited, Wed Dec 29 19:40:22 2004 by AnonymousRagnarok

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Yeah yeah... I knew this was gonna happen. Cydille obviously sucks a little more than I had anticipated though. Did her LS do this? I have no idea but my suspicions tell me yes. It's too bad that when people come to prove a point they get crapped on. Although I guess if nobody tried to set things straight people like Cydille would run around telling people all the stupid things they read on posts. Funny thing is that before today Cydille had gotten soooooo many rates down on her idiotic postings and now she has reversed on me. This was the first thread I ever really responded on and it will probably be the last. This should be something under the ethics thread because this is one of the crappiest things I have ever seen. I guees the more rate-downs I get the more right I am. At least that's how I'll have to look at it since Cydille is too weak to respond.

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First off, I'm not a Bard, and I have neither done any experiments with the elemental staves, nor much research. The RDMs I personally know tell me they land debuffs much more reliably with the proper staff equipped, and - correct me if I'm wrong please - all songs also have an elemental color to go with them. So I would guess the same rationale can be applied there.

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I guees the more rate-downs I get the more right I am. At least that's how I'll have to look at it since Cydille is too weak to respond.

Could it possibly be that Cydille has been caught up in holiday activities? Assuming you are right because people rate you down is ludicrous, and in my humble opinion, Cydille shouldn't have bothered to reply after the first opinionated retort in the first place, so I fail to see it as a weakness.

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The reason I say it was Cydille is because before my call out to her I had been rated very high in this post. She was rated down. Then it switched. Please note that my ratings and Cydilles ratings reversed on December 29th.

I go entire xp sessions without missing debuffs at times. I don't know many others who do. Although all songs have an elemental color the staves don't effect them all, like ballad. They only work on certain songs. And as you can see from the very complete "hidden effects" posting the staves really just increase potency.

Also... Cydille was the damn rudest person in the world to me. If you read this whole thread I even apologized to her in game just in cases I had offended her in some way by my postings. Unfortunately she did not do the same.

Why don't you read the whole thread and tell me what you think?

Edited, Fri Dec 31 14:40:45 2004 by Heziki

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