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#52 Dec 14 2004 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
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wow those links that Buni put up took atleast an hour oor so to look through them both, wish i could read japanese. I have to admit there atleast 2 names there though that I would black list myself, only because I've had bad experinces with them also and i am a NA. Never the less this hating between NM and JP players is said to see.

I played Phatasy Star Online back for the Dreamcast and loved that game. I had a lvl 100 HuMar named Gren and i can still remember how angry i was when i lost everything i had due to trading with someone i didnt knw well. All my items were legit, I trades a sword i had for a rifle, can't remember the exact names or how to spell them. I get on 2 days later and the game claims there is something wrong with my data yadda yadda and wiped my character clean of itesms and meseta. I was so pissed when i found that person i cursed them out in front of dozens of players in a lobby for giveing me a hacked item that clearly was the reason my character had all their gear and money reset to 0. So I can understand that japanese player also that talks about how the game was hacked to death and ruined, it was. Who started it I don't care, i just know what it did to the game.
#53 Dec 17 2004 at 2:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd like to say that it's not just a North American problem, everywhere there's **********
#54 Dec 22 2004 at 12:21 AM Rating: Good
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from what i see, the JP are pissed at these players who arent really 100% na. the fact of the matter is that they do speak english thus damage the whole english speaking population (which is like 50% or more, the other half wud be them)

i hate to say it but this problem has affected more than it shud. english speaking players have a hard time communicating with the JP because the jp think or assume they are NA (from the language they speak). of course there are circumstances when this does not occur but the fact remains that our reputation (the english speakers) is getting whupped. this also leads to the growing problem of EN players hating the JP more. since the jp go JP only, the EN refuse to play and even despise the JP players (which again isnt good)

best thing we can do now (yes all of us) is to try and see both sides of the argument. it wont help if we continue this pointless problem :| it just ruins the game for everyone.

(i am not a US player, i am from asia but the thing is i cannot use my native language in the game unless the person i am talking to is a fellow countrymen. i am forced to use NA as my primary language inside FFXI and i have experienced being told JP ONLY i'm sorry. i just go thank you. take care ^^. doesnt hurt to be friendly)
#55 Dec 22 2004 at 2:59 AM Rating: Decent
This came from the 2nd link that Buni posted and proves even more that they were most likely talking about Gilsellers

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Lszjyjack   H♀白50/戦5
Lsfallenangel E♂anon(暗49以上)
Lsmhbjaek   T♂anon(白50以上)
Lszyjjako   M anon(ナor暗50以上)
Lswillowisp  E♂anon(ナor暗47以上)

Elliw    H♀anon(50以上)
Ellynydd  H♀赤49/シ18
Elsianie  E♀anon(戦49以上)


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Lsfallenangel
Lsmhbjaek
Lswillowisp
Lszjyjack
Lszyjjako
Taren
Tossgirl
Happyfish
Markleaf
Hwang
Kwang
Wwang
Zwang
Nozokimi
Pasuko


Quote:
Hpc WHM61/BLM23
Qinlong PLD60/WAR
Zhuque RDM61
Xuanwa MNK63
Smalltail THF61
Logitech DRG60


Ill try to get my brother to translate some of whats located on the links.
#56 Feb 24 2005 at 7:41 AM Rating: Decent
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its unfortunate. I have actually partied with a few "JP Party Only" JP and they were very very nice. Someone explained it to me once..about how we NA do disrespectful things like /laugh at dead people..and to them its a very big insult. I dont know if that is true becausemy knowledge of asian languages & cultures falls just shy of mongloid - meaning, Im dumb.
#57 Feb 26 2005 at 5:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Wheres the list >..>);
#58 Feb 26 2005 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Wheres the list >..>);

He or she ate it <.<
#59 Feb 27 2005 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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its unfortunate. I have actually partied with a few "JP Party Only" JP and they were very very nice. Someone explained it to me once..about how we NA do disrespectful things like /laugh at dead people..and to them its a very big insult


I've pted with all Japanese parties before and random Japanese people in English speaking pts and have to say they have always been nice people as well.

And I have to say that language barrier alone could be the big reason they prefer not to pt with us. I'm sure that anyone who has ever been the only one not speaking Japanese in a pt will agree that sitting there having almost no clue as to what's going on and not being able to talk to any of the people in the pt gets to you after a while. However I'm not going to turn down an exp party just because of that.

EDIT::While going through one of those links I found a link back to this thread. Somewhere in the first link down near the bottomish part. Theres also a post talking about Kittycat in there.
The thing about laughing at dead people. Honestly I'm rather insulted by people do that as well. And people who will go and sit on random dead people or walk on them. Sure it's just a game but still, that's the me in game. And honestly if you saw someone do any of that to a real corpse wouldn't you be pissed?

And did anyone find a translator website that would translate those two links? I ran them through babelfish and it had errors translating them.

Edited, Sun Feb 27 10:15:49 2005 by WanderingBard
#60 Feb 27 2005 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
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The thing about laughing at dead people. Honestly I'm rather insulted by people do that as well. And people who will go and sit on random dead people or walk on them. Sure it's just a game but still, that's the me in game. And honestly if you saw someone do any of that to a real corpse wouldn't you be pissed?
I completly agree with you there.
as for kittycat maybe its cus he runs a hnm - compitition?
#61 Feb 27 2005 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Kitty mostly got hate by camping in Castle Oz like its a town. That probably got ppl thinking he's a botter or something.

Other then Kitty, I only know 2 other Thfs that like Castle Oz. but ever since astral ring is no longer there, I guess that place is quieter.....
#62 Feb 28 2005 at 11:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I tried encoding these to english and all I got was that stupid winding font >.<

Guess I can try pasting it to MS Word and see what it does.
#63 Mar 01 2005 at 2:50 AM Rating: Decent
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We'll im not japanese but i'm in a japanese linkshell because i tried talking to them. They found me very useful when trying to party with english-speaking people since i can speak bot language. What we just have to do is show them respect, but respect in japan is really different. You see them not stopping /bowing to each other when getting a favor from each other. Everything they try to acknowledge. I'm just generalizing but most of them are like that. Most are just shy to be laugh upon when they make mistakes speaking english.

I read the thread about the japanese conversations and here are some points:

"Note: ill just use foreigners instead of NA because they seldom refer to us NA they call us gaijin(foreiners)... this are my thoughts so dont flame me"

-"tried partying with foreigners, it was fun, but we didnt level up"

-one guy listed his "why he hates foreigners"
1. many foreigners dont know manners/courtesy (comment: yeah courtesy/manners is big thing here in japan)
2. most foreigners dont think about other players' feelings (comment: now with all the i won't sneak/invis you thing from WHM? i never get that with JP)
3. most foreigners think that JP are "supposed" to help them.
4. when they reply saying no to invites they are being questioned/harassed etc... (comment: some replied thats why they totally ignored invites from foreigners. some replied they are replying to "polite" foreigners)
- "But isnt it troublesome getting /tells like "Excuse me" "Hi" instead of just getting to the point. If you just donft pay attention to manners then it would be faster. Ifm amazed though how lately foreigners /shout with gExcuse meh in the beginning. (comment: he is right sometimes pleasatries are troublesome but not all japanese think like him)

- gI think that is not the problem. I think courtesy is not the reason why we hate foreigners. Its like the reason we hate some of our own LS members: always asking for help, doesnft help at allc. I think 80% percent of foreigners are also like that.h

-gAfter helping a foreigner he is asking me to /befriend him!!! Frightening!


I denied his request.h

-gGJ!h

-gForeigners compared to japanese players are low levels, beginners, donft have much knowledge so they donft have the chance to help.

I heard that in other overseas online games rich players give weapons/armors to beginners. g

I'll continue reading thread and post it here later...just looked at it... its quite long

Edited, Tue Mar 1 03:28:42 2005 by SquallJapan
#64 Mar 01 2005 at 8:28 AM Rating: Default
Japanese players should think to much of NA politness.It's Japanese culture that dictates their own politness in society,however Americans run by different standards.Who are they to judge us saying we are inpolite? One phrase to an American may be polite or casual but may be extremely offensive to a Japanese player,they should realize this,that we have different cultures. They get mad when we laugh at dead people,while an American player may just laugh too,it's a joke. After all it's just a game,we should all have fun and not worry about being polite and formal.
The Japanaese view of courtesy is WAY different than American courtesy,it doesn't mean they have it and we don't they just express it in a different way than us,we are in fact two wildly different cultures. They think our actions are barabaric and inpolite,while at the same time we think we are being polite and nice,and it's THEIR reaction to our politness that's cruel and rude.

Is it safe to say Japanese players are Xenophobic a tad?
#65 Mar 01 2005 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I can't figure it out. Maybe if my sister were here I could hound her to read it for me, but can someone check the list for Mav and Ekin? Mav being me and Ekin being a JP BST that Gonnagal and I trioed with a while ago.
#66 Mar 02 2005 at 3:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Xenophobic? Hmmm kinda. You can say that. But more on afraid they will look stupid trying to talk to foreigners. See they've been learning english in since grade school until college but most of them can't speak the language. Most who have been to school can read and form sentences but they are having problems expressing their thoughts orally. At present they are trying their best to practice foreign languages thus the boom of english schools in Japan. Well most of them are trying to communicate... Ive been to mixed parties lately and each one is trying their best(using translations etc...) so its not as worse as it used to be. There are just some jerks anywhere in Japan or in NA orother countries that is giving each one a bad name.

Not all Japanese think foreigners are impolite nor all foreigners are polite. Its a "social" game and most of the time you can't please everyone because of your differences. We even argues with our own brothers and sisters because of differences. What do you expect from a large collection of people with totally different beliefs, tradition? Communication is the answer or just show them not everyone is a jerk. Yesterday my LS asked me to translate for them talking to this guy from the US because he was really cool my Japanese friends loved him.
#67 Mar 02 2005 at 11:15 PM Rating: Decent
I have met many nice Japanese players,even a fellow DRG who shared my strife as we desperatly begged people to help with our AF3. She was so kind and was able to communicate perfectly fine using autotranslation and some engrish lol. There's a thread on killingifrit that has a bucnh of helpful japanese phrases for playing FFXI translated in romanji so anyone can use.I recomend them. I learend alot from japanese players,like before a few weeks ago I had no idea it was feasible to level at the entrance of sea serpent grotto. No more goblins! ^_^
#68 Mar 10 2005 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
I used the Google Japanese to english webpage translator located as an advanced feature on the google.com web page.

http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/10583/1085970167/ below is what it translated this page as:

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3 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/05/31 (month) 11:37 [ NoI2kjSc ]
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4 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/05/31 (Monday) 11:42 [ 4nL7yLbQ ]
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5 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/05/31 (Monday) 11:52 [ EDAzBaC$i ]
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6 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/05/31 (month) 17:46 [ Yj5mcXta. ]
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7 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/05/31 (month) 17:55 [ cs0O51g6 ]
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8 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/01 (fire) 01:09 [ ayqc9cw7. ]
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9 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/01 (fire) 03:32 [ p4vC97xs ]
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10 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/01 (fire) 14:58 [ 9qstQ/iE ]
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11 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/01 (fire) 20:52 [ EB27hjkU ]
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12 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/01 (fire) 21:28 [ EB27hjkU ]
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13 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/02 (water) 01:45 [ OXM5kBMo ]
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14 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/02 (water) 04:08 [ Rq/SmxVc ]
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15 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/02 (water) 22:12 [ C$wzD8rfM ]
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16 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/03 (Thursday) 00:30 [ bHbvvh/o ]
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17 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/03 (Thursday) 11:42 [ kLZbzmwQ ]
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18 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/04 (Friday) 19:44 [ UVo8usS2 ]
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19 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/05 (Saturday) 04:20 [ EiOueNzA ]
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20 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/05 (Saturday) 04:57 [ Udwydskc ]
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21 name: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/06 (day) 12:37 [ yxLHjycZi ]
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22 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/06 (day) 19:35 [ TN8eKJVs ]
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23 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/06 (Sunday) 23:31 [ H/Le43jQ ]
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24 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/07 (Monday) 00:09 [ 3l6C$kd4q ]
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25 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/07 (month) 00:54 [ PJVwEncOe ]
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26 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/07 (month) 00:56 [ j5pBmcUju ]
>>19
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27 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/07 (month) 01:03 [ 3l6C$kd4q ]
>>25
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28 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/07 (month) 06:28 [ 85v7sDv6 ]
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29 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/07 (month) 10:55 [ 7DOMF8L6 ]
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* Doomsday *

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30 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/07 (month) 11:09 [ jriTkzL. ]
> > 28
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31 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/07 (month) 12:44 [ m158dacDy ]
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32 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/07 (month) 17:10 [ nk5chc6ga ]
>>28
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33 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/08 (fire) 00:03 [ 651gf.46 ]
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(Well, the genuine droppings however there is no control effect even with the Japanese, W)
The to list it converts the doubtful prayer, here and whether also it is good to solve, don't you think?.......

34 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/09 (water) 00:58 [ 27/0Ne2g ]
The turtle strongest!

35 names: Name of the lag mackerel it is not contribution day: 2004/06/09 (water) 03:30 [ KFhOUECc ]
30 it just became the &#12472;&#12521;&#12472;&#12519;&#12502; you probably will take, the damage person who depends on others taking, thinking it is proper, &#12427; person
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This is as far as it translated... NOt sure if this helped or if I will get rated down for putting a long string of crap in here but hey, Someone asked , I answered what I could...
#69 Mar 10 2005 at 5:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Those of you whom want to Translate try from this page theres a little more info Available and theres plenty to view even if ya dont understand~http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/10583/1094695147/l100
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