GILLSELLER SOLUTIONFollow

#WARNING RANT#

The thing that bugs me the most is that Gilsellers, or people that camp NM's or monopolize some aspect of the game, do not care that they are ruining the game for others. They have no remorse for what they are doing. They have no shame in what they are doing. It is a shame that a RL person, has so little of a life that they have the time to do this. Even if they are getting paid to doit..ummm come on, think about it how much money can you actually make really...im sure flipping burgers at McDonlalds will pay you more ^^.. Another thing it really sux having to pay crazily inflated prices for thing that have no reason being that high...I will most definetly send an e-mail, everyday until this problem is fixed ^^, it will be my pleasure!

I was actually going to post a reply here, but I had quite a bit to say so I'm going to make another thread :)

Yesterday I found a guy in Jugner forest turning on himself ...

I ask him why he did that but he was like AFW.

A few hours later I came back to the cavern and this player was here turning on himself and taking every Tiger spawing around.

No doubt, that s a script, I contacted a GM, and he told me he will investigate at this player.

If you find players turning somewhere for a very long time and camping a good spot, just contact a GM, that s a bot !

I think two things that could be done would be to increase the drop rate, so that there are more items out there. And to add a timer limit to each NM. Sort of like a 2-hour ability. After you, your group, or your alliance fights a particular NM, you have to wait a certain amount of time before any person in your party can attack that NM again. Make the wait something like 4 or 5 spawns. That way a particular farmer can only attempt to claim 1 out of every 5 or so spawns. Then other people could have a chance at getting that NM. This might even go so far as to discourage pure farmers from even camping since they would want to wait that long. And if they try to MPK other groups that try to fight the NM, that's when you notify a GM and get them banned.

I believe that is something that could help cut down some on all this farming and give other people a chance at getting to fight the NM and possibly get a drop.

you can count me in ill be sending my email to pol and/or SE about these problems im sick of this crap!




Zidana

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Edited, Mon Jan 24 13:49:13 2005 by ZidanaoftheRoc

I have to say that I am somewhat surprised that SE hasn't come up with a patch for this problem. With the shear scope and depth of this game,(and the fact that they come out with patches and updates on a seemingly daily basis) you'd figure it would be possible. Here is what i mean:

There are some very obvious gil-sellers in the game. People have written alot of complaints and made complaints to G.M's, etc.

If SE were to conduct a full 'investigation' of these players, and tracking the players gear, and where their gil is going and what these people are doing with all their 'game-time', etc.... AFTER it has been confirmed that the person is more than likely a gil-seller, wouldn't it make sense to:

NOT JUST CANCEL THE PERSONS ACCOUNT (*because they would lose alot of money that way!*), but rather - here are two seemingly viable options (both logically and economically) :

(drum-roll please)

OPTION 1. Put a 'block' on the GS (gil-seller) receiving any drops. Or even, as a lesser of two evils, blocking the GS from receiving drops from NM's. It makes the most sense. YES...for a little while, the unaware GS's would still camp the NM's, but then once they realize it's all for nothing, they would either quit the game or maybe actually go and play it like it's supposed to be played.(<-doubt it) Further to this, the patch could actually make it so that when an NM is claimed by the GS's - there would be an automated message that would say something like "You have been blocked from receiving items and gil from Notorious Monsters. Please contact customer support for more information. Thank you for playing Final Fantasy XI" In contacting customer support, they could tell the GS that their NM drops have been suspended for (First Offence - 2 weeks - Second Offence - 1 month - Third Offence - Indefinite suspend)

OPTION 2. Make the aforementioned NM's 'un-claimable' by the GS's. If they can't fight an NM, they can't sell the items the NM drops. Of course, there would be loopholes in getting around this one, such as having a party with a non-gil-seller involved, thus making claiming with that non-gil seller (or new, untracked gil-seller) a real possibility.

CONCLUSION:

I'm sure that either of these ideas would not completely eliminate the problem of gil-selling, and people always seem to find loopholes around things, but the real point here is that it would be REDUCED...and any reduction in the troubles and frustrations GS's cause is better than the current state of affairs.

Anyones thoughts on this?

DISCLAIMER:

Bear in mind, this is my opinion of an option I feel should be explored, AGAIN, IT'S MY OPINION. So please give me your thoughts on YOUR OPINIONS and don't just attack my THOUGHTS on this. Thanking you in advance.

Magicmansix.
Ragnarok Server

I was just doing some area search, and I noticed that strangely a large number of gilseller was not playing, what happened??
No Logitech, Hpc, Smalltail, Villok, Nanokeya, Aloker, no Chinesegirl nor Guangtou. No Nonipini and co. mining...
The only two LSxxxx that were online had quite "normal" job and sub and were in low level exping areas. I checked after several hours too, same result.
Some ironically said: "they're moving to WoW"
But gilsellers don't "move" they will surely populate any new MMORPG, but they don't leave a still highly played game like FFXI.
So i was just wondering: is SE doing something against them, or was it only a huge blackout in China?

^ here here...good post Rate up...we are all resposible for the ecom..

Edited, Wed Feb 9 14:10:44 2005 by UNCTGTG

Good point. Most governments regulate the creation of currency as a check against inflation and to help the currency retain its value. For example if the US mint was given authority to double the cash supply to the US economy, prices could be expected to double, and the value of the dollar would reduce by roughly 50% in the world market.

The reason is simple, more currency in the channel creates lower values for that currency. So it takes more currency to purchase the same good.

Now in the case of someone like IGE selling currency in an MMO, the money is not 'new'. IGE cannot make money, they can only take existing gil and transfer it from person to person. Square is the only one 'making' money.


I kill a goblin, get 7 gil. That gil is 'new' money. it did not exist in the economy untl I killed that Gobby and it came into my possesion. The gobby also dropped an Earth crystal which I sell inthe AH for 100 gil. That gil is 'old' money. Someone else had it first, another player has transfered it to me in exchange for that crystal.

If that player then loses the crystal in a synth or drops it, then it's lost, nothing can come of it. But if they sell it to an NPC for 15 gil, then there is MORE new money in the game. If they craft an item and it sells to another player, then that gil is 'old' as well. But many crafter will blow out stocks of low level poorly selling items to NPCs, infusing the economy with 'new' money.

The argument threre is that the gil lost when selling to an NPC over the AH evens out. But it's not true. The person who might have bought that Harp for 2000 gil still has his 2000 gil but I now also have 400 gil that never existed becuase I sold it to an npc.
Even when I spend 10,000 at the AH to buy supplies to make an item and I can only earn back 5,000 gil by selling to an NPC, this is not a net loss to the economy..it is to me...but there is now still 10,000 gil in the hands of other players from my purchases, and a NEW 5000 gil in my posession from the NPCs.

All IGE does is take existing currencies, and for a real world price, re-distribute it. This has ZERO impact on the value of the currency in a real sense. There is no more and no less gil in the world as the result of an IGE sale.

What you CAN argue is that it may shift the perceieved value of gil in the eyes of the gil purchaser. Now you have a person who can "earn" 1 million gil with a few mouse clicks and a couple of bucks, instead of a month of tedious farming and effort. So this person has less effort and value attached to the gil so there is less hesitation to overspend on a item.

I suppose in a sense it's a bit like a teenager learning the value of money. For so many years needs are filled with 'I want' and the item appears, no conncection to the labor and effort required by the parnets to earn the money to make the purchase, but when the time comes that "I want" is answered with "earn it" suddenly a $400 iPod, which seemed pretty cheap...after all its ONLY $400, becomesan expensive item that takes weekes of sweat at the local grease burger joint to earn.Suddenly $400 has a new sense of value and worth, there is an effort and labor attached to it that was previously absent.

Same with buying gil versus farming it....buy it and you have no sense of effort so an item is "only" 100k gil, but if you have to farm it, then that same item is "A F@#*& 100K!!!!"

While MST3K did stop being produced in 1999, it continued being broadcast until just last year, despite the Sci-fi channel's attempts to drive its ratings down by putting it in inconvienient time slots.

But I see your point. I think the majority of FFXI players don't care either way about gilselling/buying.

I've changed my opinion of gilselling/gilbuying many times over the past year.

Pasco and Nozokimi I actually like. Sure, they might be selling their gil for RMT, but they're performing a service for the rest of the community. I'm sure several of us have found ourselves in Jeuno looking for a teleport and wishing they were there.

Gilsellers like the amemit and morion campers, that are just plain rude sometimes, I don't like.

And as far as gilbuying goes...earning enough gil to buy what you want takes a lot of time. If you're a college student, who is taking a full-load of classes and working part time, you really aren't going to have time to farm or craft or fish for hours and hours to earn the gil you need.

Also, I see nothing wrong with buying gil and using that gil to skill up a craft. Every business needs a great amount of capital to get started. If you buy a million or two gil and use that to build up a trade skill, then you have a way to earn more gil "legitimately". This also is providing a service to the community. If more people spent the gil they buy on crafting, we'd have more crafters, higher supply, and lower prices (although it'd probably cause the price of crystals to skyrocket).

Unfortunately, this doesn't happen, as it's easier to just buy the gil and the equipment you want, then buy more gil when it's time to upgrade.