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I may have to give in and get premium again. These advertisements are driving me insane. I can't actually see them thanks to Adblock, but they push all the tables around.
I can't believe I was almost tempted to get a premium account. It's complete bull to charge for basic forum privileges.
I had a page claim post all ready for this page. But then I joined a meripo and forgot to camp the thread. :(
I'm about to cancel my premium, this **** with rog has pushed me over the fence, so stupid.
Doctor Darkdoom wrote:
I'm about to cancel my premium, this sh*t with rog has pushed me over the fence, so stupid.
They used a stupid pretense to mute him and say he's banned if he ever does anything remotely mean/loldrivingawaynewcomers/etc again. It's basically retarded because it's the same thing quite a few other people on this forum do.
Also lol at the OPs responses to Rog in that thread, as they were far worse than the things rog said.
We're already the laughing stock of the endgame community in ffxi, I don't think making it kiddy time is going to help that much. Wiki is better for overall information and BG is better for anything endgame related, we don't have much besides our forum discussions going for us here, and the only people that really make a difference there are established posters. Newcomers don't often stay around past asking their first couple questions because there really isn't any need to.
Also lol at the OPs responses to Rog in that thread, as they were far worse than the things rog said.
We're already the laughing stock of the endgame community in ffxi, I don't think making it kiddy time is going to help that much. Wiki is better for overall information and BG is better for anything endgame related, we don't have much besides our forum discussions going for us here, and the only people that really make a difference there are established posters. Newcomers don't often stay around past asking their first couple questions because there really isn't any need to.
Doctor Darkdoom wrote:
They used a stupid pretense to mute him and say he's banned if he ever does anything remotely mean/loldrivingawaynewcomers/etc again. It's basically retarded because it's the same thing quite a few other people on this forum do.
The way these forums have been going? I'm not surprised at all.
I was wondering why I wasn't seeing his spam in =10. So what thread is it that got him banned?
The wegame issues one, and he's not banned -yet-. Just muted for now.
I wonder how long till they just ban all of their members.
While I obviously agree with you that Alla is overly-moderated (i.e. my recent lack of premium), I can see both sides in this situation.
Off to bed for me to try and get some sleep. 12 hour shifts the next three days. :(
Off to bed for me to try and get some sleep. 12 hour shifts the next three days. :(
I still just don't see how it makes sense that now with a practically dead game we have to be nice to newcomers, but there was very little of this kind of moderation when we actually had newcomers.
also by nice I mean basically saying nothing even remotely negative/mean
Edited, Jun 18th 2010 9:55pm by Darkdoom
also by nice I mean basically saying nothing even remotely negative/mean
Edited, Jun 18th 2010 9:55pm by Darkdoom
The funny thing is, one of the long-term gripes I've seen about this forum is the lack of actual moderation, instead placing too much reliance on the (innately flawed and easily abused) karma system. This is a gripe I've shared as well. It does seem that as of late, admins are actually stepping in more, so I'm generally in approval.
Edited, Jun 19th 2010 5:43pm by Fynlar
Edited, Jun 19th 2010 5:43pm by Fynlar
I will backtrack later and post, but for now:
Since I started posting here, it was always "The Karma System is Working as Intended."
God knows I love MineAdmins (they know who they are), but some of this moderation feels petty. I understand that this is a business and if we are nasty enough to chase away new players/posters, then we are essentially "c-blocking" the companies bottom line.
Before anyone jumps in on "it's only a few thin skinned people," keep in mind that in the age of the internet all they need to do is post/tweet and their experience could potentially reach thousands people. Like pushing a snowball down a hill. A satisfied customer will tell probably a handful of people or less.
Where this becomes ridiculous is our thread here. With elements of bawse/+1/ascii/et al, we are enjoying the site. Building a feeling of community that this board has never really had. We are trying to pull people in not get them to leave. The spam in here is harmless. It is also a far cry from the post pharming that goes on in journals.
That being said, the over-moderation in here feels extreme. Unnecessary, as we could easily be doing it in a journal ourselves. If we are having fun, others are going to want to play too, drawing in more posters. Take Darkdoom for example. He isn't even from this server. I'd say it's working for us. If we hide in a journal, we lose much of that opportunity. We are not forcing anyone to post. Hell, we aren't even forcing them to read our thread.
While yes, this is a business, it's also a site for people who play video games and never plan on growing up. There has to be a balance.
The question for us would be, do we stick it out until they lock us again or move it to a journal =/10K/
~Bun
Edited, Jun 19th 2010 2:53am by GrowlingBunny
Since I started posting here, it was always "The Karma System is Working as Intended."
God knows I love MineAdmins (they know who they are), but some of this moderation feels petty. I understand that this is a business and if we are nasty enough to chase away new players/posters, then we are essentially "c-blocking" the companies bottom line.
Before anyone jumps in on "it's only a few thin skinned people," keep in mind that in the age of the internet all they need to do is post/tweet and their experience could potentially reach thousands people. Like pushing a snowball down a hill. A satisfied customer will tell probably a handful of people or less.
Where this becomes ridiculous is our thread here. With elements of bawse/+1/ascii/et al, we are enjoying the site. Building a feeling of community that this board has never really had. We are trying to pull people in not get them to leave. The spam in here is harmless. It is also a far cry from the post pharming that goes on in journals.
That being said, the over-moderation in here feels extreme. Unnecessary, as we could easily be doing it in a journal ourselves. If we are having fun, others are going to want to play too, drawing in more posters. Take Darkdoom for example. He isn't even from this server. I'd say it's working for us. If we hide in a journal, we lose much of that opportunity. We are not forcing anyone to post. Hell, we aren't even forcing them to read our thread.
While yes, this is a business, it's also a site for people who play video games and never plan on growing up. There has to be a balance.
The question for us would be, do we stick it out until they lock us again or move it to a journal =/10K/
~Bun
Edited, Jun 19th 2010 2:53am by GrowlingBunny
Speaking of karma... my name is green!
Also, I can no longer use the mobile site. Sad panda. :(
Also, I can no longer use the mobile site. Sad panda. :(
GrowlingBunny wrote:
I will backtrack later and post, but for now:
Since I started posting here, it was always "The Karma System is Working as Intended."
God knows I love MineAdmins (they know who they are), but some of this moderation feels petty. I understand that this is a business and if we are nasty enough to chase away new players/posters, then we are essentially "c-blocking" the companies bottom line.
Before anyone jumps in on "it's only a few thin skinned people," keep in mind that in the age of the internet all they need to do is post/tweet and their experience could potentially reach thousands people. Like pushing a snowball down a hill. A satisfied customer will tell probably a handful of people or less.
Where this becomes ridiculous is our thread here. With elements of bawse/+1/ascii/et al, we are enjoying the site. Building a feeling of community that this board has never really had. We are trying to pull people in not get them to leave. The spam in here is harmless. It is also a far cry from the post pharming that goes on in journals.
That being said, the over-moderation in here feels extreme. Unnecessary, as we could easily be doing it in a journal ourselves. If we are having fun, others are going to want to play too, drawing in more posters. Take Darkdoom for example. He isn't even from this server. I'd say it's working for us. If we hide in a journal, we lose much of that opportunity. We are not forcing anyone to post. Hell, we aren't even forcing them to read our thread.
While yes, this is a business, it's also a site for people who play video games and never plan on growing up. There has to be a balance.
The question for us would be, do we stick it out until they lock us again or move it to a journal =/10K/
~Bun
Since I started posting here, it was always "The Karma System is Working as Intended."
God knows I love MineAdmins (they know who they are), but some of this moderation feels petty. I understand that this is a business and if we are nasty enough to chase away new players/posters, then we are essentially "c-blocking" the companies bottom line.
Before anyone jumps in on "it's only a few thin skinned people," keep in mind that in the age of the internet all they need to do is post/tweet and their experience could potentially reach thousands people. Like pushing a snowball down a hill. A satisfied customer will tell probably a handful of people or less.
Where this becomes ridiculous is our thread here. With elements of bawse/+1/ascii/et al, we are enjoying the site. Building a feeling of community that this board has never really had. We are trying to pull people in not get them to leave. The spam in here is harmless. It is also a far cry from the post pharming that goes on in journals.
That being said, the over-moderation in here feels extreme. Unnecessary, as we could easily be doing it in a journal ourselves. If we are having fun, others are going to want to play too, drawing in more posters. Take Darkdoom for example. He isn't even from this server. I'd say it's working for us. If we hide in a journal, we lose much of that opportunity. We are not forcing anyone to post. Hell, we aren't even forcing them to read our thread.
While yes, this is a business, it's also a site for people who play video games and never plan on growing up. There has to be a balance.
The question for us would be, do we stick it out until they lock us again or move it to a journal =/10K/
~Bun
/slowclap
Moving 10k to a journal feels like defeat to me. If they lock this thread, I will keeping making 10k threads till I get told not to or banned. In which case I will leave Alla forever due to ridiculous over-moderation.
In all likelihood it will never have to come to that, but the point here is that we're not harming anyone. This thread is the best thing that's happened to the Lakshmi forums. I hope that everyone will continue to promote this blossoming community we are creating, no matter what happens.
Edited, Jun 19th 2010 8:04am by Dynas
GI'm an idiot. I thought I was guru for a second, but I now realize that it's just this Zam skin that came up on my phone.
chewzer wrote:
Speaking of karma... my name is green!
Also, I can no longer use the mobile site. Sad panda. :(
Also, I can no longer use the mobile site. Sad panda. :(
chewzer wrote:
GI'm an idiot. I thought I was guru for a second, but I now realize that it's just this Zam skin that came up on my phone.
chewzer wrote:
Speaking of karma... my name is green!
Also, I can no longer use the mobile site. Sad panda. :(
Also, I can no longer use the mobile site. Sad panda. :(
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Fynlar wrote:
The funny thing is, one of the long-term gripes I've seen about this forum is the lack of actual moderation, instead placing too much reliance on the (innately flawed and easily abused) karma system. This is a gripe I've shared as well It does seem that as of late, admins are actually stepping in more, so I'm generally in approval.
I'm in agreement with Fynlar as well. A lot of people on this site can and are douchebags that need to be smacked down once in a while. If a person comes in with a legitimate question about FFXI and is thinking about joining, there's no need to antagonize him. It's only going to convince him to not play the game as he's going to walk away thinking FFXI has a worse community than WoW when the opposite is true. It's the way that this forum is moderated that part of the reason I came here. Do I go to BG? No, I find them to be full of douchebags that need to be smacked down and around to make them learn something or two about humility and empathy towards others. It's Penny-Arcade's Fuckwad Theory in full effect over there. Granted, not everyone is like that, but there's enough of them to keep me away.
Doctor Darkdoom wrote:
They used a stupid pretense to mute him and say he's banned if he ever does anything remotely mean/loldrivingawaynewcomers/etc again. It's basically retarded because it's the same thing quite a few other people on this forum do.
Also lol at the OPs responses to Rog in that thread, as they were far worse than the things rog said.
Also lol at the OPs responses to Rog in that thread, as they were far worse than the things rog said.
Yeah, the OP went overboard with his reponses as well, but really, he was provoked. He came to the Alla with a legitimate question, and the first response back was something of a spit to the face. It's not really fair to the OP to mute him over that. As for Rog, I think he should have known better. We've all been told by the admins to be nice to newcomers multiple times.
Doctor Darkdoom wrote:
We're already the laughing stock of the endgame community in ffxi, I don't think making it kiddy time is going to help that much. Wiki is better for overall information and BG is better for anything endgame related, we don't have much besides our forum discussions going for us here, and the only people that really make a difference there are established posters. Newcomers don't often stay around past asking their first couple questions because there really isn't any need to.
You know, let them laugh at Allakhazam if they want to. I find a majority of endgame players to be elitist asses, so I honestly couldn't give a rat's *** about them. Sure Alla is weaker when it comes to wiki information, but really, I think people come here because it's an established forum with a strong connection with Square-Enix and because we have nicer people.
GrowlingBunny wrote:
God knows I love MineAdmins (they know who they are), but some of this moderation feels petty. I understand that this is a business and if we are nasty enough to chase away new players/posters, then we are essentially "c-blocking" the companies bottom line.
Before anyone jumps in on "it's only a few thin skinned people," keep in mind that in the age of the internet all they need to do is post/tweet and their experience could potentially reach thousands people. Like pushing a snowball down a hill. A satisfied customer will tell probably a handful of people or less.
Before anyone jumps in on "it's only a few thin skinned people," keep in mind that in the age of the internet all they need to do is post/tweet and their experience could potentially reach thousands people. Like pushing a snowball down a hill. A satisfied customer will tell probably a handful of people or less.
True, a person with a bad experience can tweet about it and it can turn a snowball into an avalanche. Sometimes it's justified, sometimes, it's not. Although, I think for the most part, you won't see bad PR over someone being muted because he was being a ***. :P Rog was hurting the company's bottom line by chasing the newbies away with insults.
GrowlingBunny wrote:
Where this becomes ridiculous is our thread here. With elements of bawse/+1/ascii/et al, we are enjoying the site. Building a feeling of community that this board has never really had. We are trying to pull people in not get them to leave. The spam in here is harmless. It is also a far cry from the post pharming that goes on in journals.
That being said, the over-moderation in here feels extreme. Unnecessary, as we could easily be doing it in a journal ourselves. If we are having fun, others are going to want to play too, drawing in more posters. Take Darkdoom for example. He isn't even from this server. I'd say it's working for us. If we hide in a journal, we lose much of that opportunity. We are not forcing anyone to post. Hell, we aren't even forcing them to read our thread.
That being said, the over-moderation in here feels extreme. Unnecessary, as we could easily be doing it in a journal ourselves. If we are having fun, others are going to want to play too, drawing in more posters. Take Darkdoom for example. He isn't even from this server. I'd say it's working for us. If we hide in a journal, we lose much of that opportunity. We are not forcing anyone to post. Hell, we aren't even forcing them to read our thread.
I don't understand how Darkdoom could be used as an example of over-moderation. He might be muted if he says something stupid or insulting, but the moderators aren't going to be kicking him out of this forum because he's not contributing to the current discussion. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to wander into the WAR forums and ask questions about their job because I'm a career WHM with a strong hatred for melee. Ok, I don't wander in to the WAR forum, but I could if I wanted to.
As for the locking for the 10k thread, I don't think it was fully justified. Maybe someone was having a bad day. I agree that we were just having fun. However, I think they just want to be consistent and not play favorites with anyone, because I do believe that what we were doing were against forum rules. It sucks, but that's how it goes. :\
GrowlingBunny wrote:
While yes, this is a business, it's also a site for people who play video games and never plan on growing up. There has to be a balance.
Video games is serious business!!
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In the interests of forum diplomacy the content of this post has been toned down, it is totally not a plus one. :O ( <.< >.> <.<;; )
I am not at my most articulate at 3am, so to clarify:
True, a person with a bad experience can tweet about it and it can turn a snowball into an avalanche. Sometimes it's justified, sometimes, it's not. Although, I think for the most part, you won't see bad PR over someone being muted because he was being a ***. :P Rog was hurting the company's bottom line by chasing the newbies away with insults.
This was me agreeing with the admins for issuing a mute to Rog. I was referring to the new poster tweeting about what a bunch of jerks we are. Rog chasing them away without mod intervention is the bad PR. Rog being muted shows the new poster that the site does not condone his behavior. Now they only have one asshat to tweet about and not a whole website.
I don't understand how Darkdoom could be used as an example of over-moderation. He might be muted if he says something stupid or insulting, but the moderators aren't going to be kicking him out of this forum because he's not contributing to the current discussion. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to wander into the WAR forums and ask questions about their job because I'm a career WHM with a strong hatred for melee. Ok, I don't wander in to the WAR forum, but I could if I wanted to.
Lol I meant that we are enjoying ourselves to the extent that people who aren't even on our server (dd) stay to hang out. So when it comes to building a strong community, we are doingitrite. (We don't want dd kicked out. We want him to bring his friends.) If they over-mod us and we stop enjoying ourselves, we are bound to lose our cross-server friends.
I hope that makes better sense.
~Bun
kappachan, Eater of Souls wrote:
GrowlingBunny wrote:
God knows I love MineAdmins (they know who they are), but some of this moderation feels petty. I understand that this is a business and if we are nasty enough to chase away new players/posters, then we are essentially "c-blocking" the companies bottom line.
Before anyone jumps in on "it's only a few thin skinned people," keep in mind that in the age of the internet all they need to do is post/tweet and their experience could potentially reach thousands people. Like pushing a snowball down a hill. A satisfied customer will tell probably a handful of people or less.
Before anyone jumps in on "it's only a few thin skinned people," keep in mind that in the age of the internet all they need to do is post/tweet and their experience could potentially reach thousands people. Like pushing a snowball down a hill. A satisfied customer will tell probably a handful of people or less.
True, a person with a bad experience can tweet about it and it can turn a snowball into an avalanche. Sometimes it's justified, sometimes, it's not. Although, I think for the most part, you won't see bad PR over someone being muted because he was being a ***. :P Rog was hurting the company's bottom line by chasing the newbies away with insults.
This was me agreeing with the admins for issuing a mute to Rog. I was referring to the new poster tweeting about what a bunch of jerks we are. Rog chasing them away without mod intervention is the bad PR. Rog being muted shows the new poster that the site does not condone his behavior. Now they only have one asshat to tweet about and not a whole website.
kappachan, Eater of Souls wrote:
GrowlingBunny wrote:
Where this becomes ridiculous is our thread here. With elements of bawse/+1/ascii/et al, we are enjoying the site. Building a feeling of community that this board has never really had. We are trying to pull people in not get them to leave. The spam in here is harmless. It is also a far cry from the post pharming that goes on in journals.
That being said, the over-moderation in here feels extreme. Unnecessary, as we could easily be doing it in a journal ourselves. If we are having fun, others are going to want to play too, drawing in more posters. Take Darkdoom for example. He isn't even from this server. I'd say it's working for us. If we hide in a journal, we lose much of that opportunity. We are not forcing anyone to post. Hell, we aren't even forcing them to read our thread.
That being said, the over-moderation in here feels extreme. Unnecessary, as we could easily be doing it in a journal ourselves. If we are having fun, others are going to want to play too, drawing in more posters. Take Darkdoom for example. He isn't even from this server. I'd say it's working for us. If we hide in a journal, we lose much of that opportunity. We are not forcing anyone to post. Hell, we aren't even forcing them to read our thread.
I don't understand how Darkdoom could be used as an example of over-moderation. He might be muted if he says something stupid or insulting, but the moderators aren't going to be kicking him out of this forum because he's not contributing to the current discussion. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to wander into the WAR forums and ask questions about their job because I'm a career WHM with a strong hatred for melee. Ok, I don't wander in to the WAR forum, but I could if I wanted to.
Lol I meant that we are enjoying ourselves to the extent that people who aren't even on our server (dd) stay to hang out. So when it comes to building a strong community, we are doingitrite. (We don't want dd kicked out. We want him to bring his friends.) If they over-mod us and we stop enjoying ourselves, we are bound to lose our cross-server friends.
I hope that makes better sense.
~Bun
You made alot of good points, but one thing really jumped out at me:
Video games is serious business!!
You're right. I told my wife before we got married, I may have to get old, but I'll be damned if I'm ever gonna grow up. :) Now I'm nerding out on FFIV: The After Years while waiting for FFXIV to come out. I think I have three scenarios left (Porom, Edward, Lunarians) before I do the final chapter.
EDIT: somehow, I are become Guru. :)
Edited, Jun 19th 2010 1:24pm by Ralrra
kappachan, Eater of Souls wrote:
GrowlingBunny wrote:
While yes, this is a business, it's also a site for people who play video games and never plan on growing up. There has to be a balance.
Video games is serious business!!
You're right. I told my wife before we got married, I may have to get old, but I'll be damned if I'm ever gonna grow up. :) Now I'm nerding out on FFIV: The After Years while waiting for FFXIV to come out. I think I have three scenarios left (Porom, Edward, Lunarians) before I do the final chapter.
EDIT: somehow, I are become Guru. :)
Edited, Jun 19th 2010 1:24pm by Ralrra
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