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El Nino, it's just El Nino. Everything is fine. There's no drought in California, we're not having hot weather on the West coast either. The aquifer in the plains is in good shape. The ice cap isn't trending to an all time low. The Liberals are just hyping these things to steal your tax dollars.

Edited, May 31st 2016 10:45am by someproteinguy

I've been running mine since January. This is completely normal for me.

This is not how supply and demand works!

Well. There's always a drought in California. Temps in the US have actually been decreasing over the last decade. But let's not let facts get in the way of good fear mongering.

It was warming for a few decades, thus it will continue to warm for eternity. You honestly haven't noticed that the language has changed from "The past 30 years of graphed 5 year rolling averages show a constant increase in global temperatures", to "the previous 10 years were the hottest on record", to "the previous decade was the hottest on record" (once the first and hottest years of that previous decade were no longer in the "last 10 years"), and now "4 of the last 10 years have been the hottest on record" (so, not the average of that set of years though, right?).

If the same measurement used back in the late 90s as "proof" of ongoing global warming (graphed 5 year rolling averages) were still showing ongoing global warming, don't you think they'd be using that? What's funny is that those graphs (and the projections I recall us arguing over back in like 2002) have almost entirely been scrubbed from the internet. You can't find them. No one talks about them. No one uses them as evidence anymore. Why? Um... Because if you used them and continued to chart temperatures using them for the last 15 years, it would become abundantly obvious to everyone who glanced at them, that the warming trend between 1970 and 2000 quite abruptly slowed and leveled off and is now going in the other direction. Well. Except for one very hot year in 2015, which apparently is all that's needed to restart the global warming bandwagon. So now, single outlier years are what we're supposed to be looking at, and not the longer term trends? Interesting.

There's bunk science going on, but not where you think it is.

Edited, May 31st 2016 6:22pm by gbaji

I'm not the one arguing for draconic and drastic legislative action to prevent something terrible from happening. The burden kinda falls on the side trying to force a course of action, don't you agree? But by all means go google "Global Warming Hiatus" if you're curious. Here. I'll even give you the Wiki version. Super dumbed down, and full of scrambling to explain away why the actual temperature readings didn't match the projections.

The very term, of course, assumes a temporary stop in an ongoing trend. Which is yet more wishful thinking. A far better explanation is that we're seeing the high point in a 70 year natural temperature cycle which we've never noticed before because temperature measurements just weren't that accurate prior to the latter half of the last century. When you combine the fact that temperature measurements become less certain as we move back in time, and the method of estimation more about looking for a pattern one already believes to exist than any sort of accuracy, and then tack a relatively recent set of fairly accurate 40 years of data which do show a steady warming trend, one might be lead to believe that the last 15 years is just a "hiatus". Or, as I said above, it's a natural cycle, and temperatures did this in the past, but we just can't detect it. It's well within the margin of error for past temperature predictions to allow for this cycle without having to depend on some sort of runaway effect.


It does seem that as the evidence in opposition to the stock ACC theories have grown, the proponents of such have just doubled down on rhetoric. Calling people names doesn't make you right. Facts make you right. And the facts show that global temperatures have not remotely followed the pattens predicted back in the early 2000s. Not even close.

I would also recommend that someone do this. And then read the actual studies and papers in scientific publications about it. And then... well, go back understanding that ACC is real, I guess, since all the evidence continues to point that way. Meanwhile... Global Warming Hiatus! Everything is fine!

Yeah, but that counts as "scrambling". See, you find a link and then say that anything in the link that disagrees with what you're trying to project is just the authors "scrambling" from the truth. So now the link proves you're right!

Well, it's Salon, so the headline will be "Dalai Lama is a Racist; Hillary Clinton to Blame"

Less than ten comments to Godwin, though.

Gotta feel a little bad for the family, though. Probably can't go to any real restaurant without fear of incriminating eyes when their table is called.

Pity things are trending this direction, global warming debates were always amusing.