18% of vegetative patients are actually conscious, this is pretty horrible. It's pretty much the worse possible outcome of any condition I can think of. Can't move, can't communicate, all you can do is think and watch the world go by potentially for decades while everyone thinks you're a piece of furniture. That being said "Yay!" now we can tell you're not actually a piece of furniture and we might change the channel for you once in a while.
So, mind reading seems to be the science of the year. We're seeing a lot of these type of studies, mind controlled videogames, someone just climbed a skyscraper with a mind controlled prosthetic leg etc. This is all good stuff in a general sense but it brings up some interesting moral dilemmas. How do we protect people from having their mind read against their will? Do we even need to? How would you even know you've been read? In a world where thoughts can be easily read are thoughts protected by reasonable expectation of privacy laws? As this technology advances it's reasonable to assume that remote scanning will become quite possible and probably quite easy at some point in the future.
Even worse, what happens when we figure out how to remotely alter someone's thoughts?
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I read that as vegetables the first time, and was suddenly concerned about eating carrots... 
I remember reading somewhere that scientists could (by monitoring brain activity) predict a yes or no response with 80% accuracy, before the person being asked the question even knew what their response was going to be, freaky...
I want a mind controlled video game, but I'm afraid it would just be "um... um, um, damn... um, um... shoot I'm dead!
" because that seems to be my reaction when things go poorly fast... 
Edited, Nov 13th 2012 12:10pm by someproteinguy
I remember reading somewhere that scientists could (by monitoring brain activity) predict a yes or no response with 80% accuracy, before the person being asked the question even knew what their response was going to be, freaky...
I want a mind controlled video game, but I'm afraid it would just be "um... um, um, damn... um, um... shoot I'm dead!
" because that seems to be my reaction when things go poorly fast... 
Edited, Nov 13th 2012 12:10pm by someproteinguy
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Yodabunny wrote:
That being said "Yay!" now we can tell you're not actually a piece of furniture and we might change the channel for you once in a while.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
I think one of the concerns is going to be prosthetic upgrading. We're capable of making prosthetic limbs that are far superior to our natural limbs the only real barrier is our control over said limbs. Given technological telepathy you could replace your arms/legs with super strength, bulletproof, fireproof, supersensitive, superfast versions and control them with perfect precision.
As always when vegetables come up,I think back to Terry Schiavo. The tragedy for her is that she was not only unresponsive, she was so brain dead her physical brain actually atrophied down a third of its size. Her brain cavity was mostly cerebral fluid....
It's good, though, that we can determine which ones are truly unresponsive and which ones have some hope, however slender, of recovery.
If I ever end up in that situation, where I am "locked in," I'd request that someone at least play a variety of radio stations for me so I wouldn't go completely and utterly insane, even if they had no way of knowing whether I could hear it or not.
It's good, though, that we can determine which ones are truly unresponsive and which ones have some hope, however slender, of recovery.
If I ever end up in that situation, where I am "locked in," I'd request that someone at least play a variety of radio stations for me so I wouldn't go completely and utterly insane, even if they had no way of knowing whether I could hear it or not.
catwho wrote:
If I ever end up in that situation, where I am "locked in," I'd request that someone at least play a variety of radio stations for me so I wouldn't go completely and utterly insane, even if they had no way of knowing whether I could hear it or not.
I don't know a damned thing about it, but I wonder how much consciousness one would have in such a situation, even in the most optimistic scenario. Even with brain activity and functioning senses, I feel like you'd still drift into a sort of dream (or nightmare)-like state of altered perception. Hell, when I take a nap in the afternoon, I end up in a fog that doesn't clear until I splash some cold water on my face. I can't imagine what it'd be like without the ability to move or properly gauge my surroundings.
Edited, Nov 13th 2012 3:33pm by Eske
Eske Esquire wrote:
Hell, when I take a nap in the afternoon, I end up in a fog that doesn't clear until I splash some cold water on my face. I can't imagine what it'd be like without the ability to move or properly gauge my surroundings.
Yes, but that's only because you've just taken a nap. After 12-16 hours of sleep you'd be wide awake and REALLY REALLY bored and probably have really really itchy eyes or some such.
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I think one of the concerns is going to be prosthetic upgrading. We're capable of making prosthetic limbs that are far superior to our natural limbs the only real barrier is our control over said limbs. Given technological telepathy you could replace your arms/legs with super strength, bulletproof, fireproof, supersensitive, superfast versions and control them with perfect precision.
Why bother grafting them to you and chopping an arm off? The technology allows you to remotely control things.
Kavekk wrote:
Why bother grafting them to you and chopping an arm off? The technology allows you to remotely control things.
I expect remotely controlling a disembodied arm would be less intuitive than a grafted one.
Yodabunny wrote:
18% of vegetative patients are actually conscious, this is pretty horrible. It's pretty much the worse possible outcome of any condition I can think of. Can't move, can't communicate, all you can do is think and watch the world go by potentially for decades while everyone thinks you're a piece of furniture. That being said "Yay!" now we can tell you're not actually a piece of furniture and we might change the channel for you once in a while.
Just imagine how many times the plug has been pulled on somebody who was screaming frantically in their head NO! NOOO I'M ALLLIIIIVVVEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee........ *
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
How long does it take to suffocate when none of your muscles are moving, or even flexed?
Yodabunny wrote:
How long does it take to suffocate when none of your muscles are moving, or even flexed?
When you have a mechanical bellows puffing up your lungs, indefinitely.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Yodabunny wrote:
I think one of the concerns is going to be prosthetic upgrading. We're capable of making prosthetic limbs that are far superior to our natural limbs the only real barrier is our control over said limbs. Given technological telepathy you could replace your arms/legs with super strength, bulletproof, fireproof, supersensitive, superfast versions and control them with perfect precision.
Sounds like a WALL-E prequel.
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Debalic wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:
18% of vegetative patients are actually conscious, this is pretty horrible. It's pretty much the worse possible outcome of any condition I can think of. Can't move, can't communicate, all you can do is think and watch the world go by potentially for decades while everyone thinks you're a piece of furniture. That being said "Yay!" now we can tell you're not actually a piece of furniture and we might change the channel for you once in a while.
Just imagine how many times the plug has been pulled on somebody who was screaming frantically in their head THANK GOD, FINALLY........ *
Yodabunny wrote:
I expect remotely controlling a disembodied arm would be less intuitive than a grafted one.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Just imagine how many times the plug has been pulled on somebody who was screaming frantically in their head NO! NOOO I'M ALLLIIIIVVVEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee........ *
None? Vegetative is not the same as brain dead. Pulling the plug on a patient in a vegetative state is murder, pretty much everywhere.
None? Vegetative is not the same as brain dead. Pulling the plug on a patient in a vegetative state is murder, pretty much everywhere.
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