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#577 Sep 20 2012 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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Guess if that argument works for gbaji, it'll work for just about anyone.
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#578 Sep 20 2012 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
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Do I need add more words first?
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#579 Sep 20 2012 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
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If you think it'll help you. It hasn't worked yet, but maybe you can succeed where he fails.
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#580 Sep 20 2012 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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2. Ladies can get artificially inseminated whether they are het or lesbian.


Correct, but irrelevant. She is choosing to inseminate herself in a manner which ensures that there is no responsible biological partner involved. She chooses to take that responsibility on herself. She has no expectation of parental support by said partner and thus has no need of the state stepping in and creating a legal status which ensures that said support will happen without requiring her to spend the time/money pressing the issue in the courts.


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I don't claim to know the court system, but I think a man has a case to void any child liability if his wife decided to artificially inseminate herself without any agreement

Traditionally, the courts are overwhelmingly in favor of putting two people on the hook for supporting a child if its at all possible. The man might "have a case" in this event but I'd give him equal odds of losing it if not greater.


I can see that. If she got in debt without him knowing, he will be more than likely liable, but if she cheated and gotten pregnant, probably not. So, this case is probably somewhere in the middle.

In any case, even if the husband is forced to raise the child, he is still irrelevant in the creation of the child and him raising it may very well vary from state to state.


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#581 Oct 21 2012 at 8:26 PM Rating: Excellent
I watched this and remembered at some point Alma argued that gay rights & civil rights arguments weren't similar.



After he kindly goes & fucks himself, feel free to carry on.

Edited, Oct 21st 2012 10:27pm by Omegavegeta
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#582Almalieque, Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 5:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I apologize for being able to see the difference between slavery vs the ability to marry the person of your choice. Maybe one day, you'll be able to as well.
#583 Oct 22 2012 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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"I don't recall any gays being lynched or beaten because they're gay."

Great video there.
#584 Oct 22 2012 at 7:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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So I bothered to watch that entire video, and I think out of the two of us Alma, I might have been the only one.

High points:
People who are against gay marriage are like pedophiles, neither of them are directly hurting anybody.
New York will suffer from overpopulation due to gays moving there.
People who are afraid of thunder and lightening are abnormal, because normal people are not afraid of nature.
Because of gay marriage, there will be more tsunamis and the sun gonna take you out.
#585 Oct 22 2012 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
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I propose this thread gets wrapped inside a capsule and shot up into space. When it reaches 28miles Kao, with one of his many remote control devices, will blow up the capsule. Then when all the letters of all the words start dropping through the atmosphere and reach the speed of sound - we'll hear Alma's voice on the wind.
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#586 Oct 22 2012 at 7:50 AM Rating: Good
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Allegory wrote:
New York will suffer from overpopulation due to gays moving there.
Yeah, there really isn't a gay scene here.
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#587 Oct 22 2012 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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I apologize for being able to see the difference between slavery vs the ability to marry the person of your choice.


So do I, you cowardly ******! Much like the abolishment of slavery & the civil rights movement (which in turn spawned the gay rights movement) lead to legalized miscegenation, the abolishment of homosexual persecution & discrimination has lead to the (eventually) gay marriage movement.

Religion isn't an excuse to be a ****, if you don't believe me rewatch the video. Freedom of religion is also freedom from religion, for those of us who aren't ignorant douches.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2012 1:29pm by Omegavegeta
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#588Almalieque, Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 3:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you took that as the high point of the video, then you fail at comprehension. Especially given the text of this conversation. The "high point" is that there is a difference between black civil rights and homosexual rights.
#589 Oct 22 2012 at 3:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
I see how you conveniently left out the preface "Now, I'm not going to say that there weren't any isolated incidents where maybe some gays were attacked, jumped beat down or whatever.but when you compare that to what the so called blacks had to endure..."

I probably should have included it, because it's funnier that way. He tries to make the point that homosexuals haven't experienced the oppression black have, then realizes how little he knows about homosexual oppression and tries to marginalize any counter examples, then completely forgets why he bothered to marginalize those incidents and goes on to state how he can't think of a single example of a homosexual being lynched, beaten, or denied a job because of their sexuality. To be fair, he probably can't.
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Now I'll admit, he went on a tangent, but my point was in the first 6 mins, you know, the topic of this conversation.

Your point was that gays haven't been lynched, beaten, or denied career opportunities due to their sexuality, except that they have but those incidents don't count? How all the rights they want, they already have, but don't?

This is the guy you think best articulates your position?

Edited, Oct 22nd 2012 5:02pm by Allegory
#590 Oct 22 2012 at 4:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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I see how you conveniently left out the preface "Now, I'm not going to say that there weren't any isolated incidents where maybe some gays were attacked, jumped beat down or whatever.but when you compare that to what the so called blacks had to endure..."

"I'm not sayin' you all haven't been attacked, jumped, beat down or whatever, I'm just saying you need to be attacked, jumped and beat down MORE for it to really count..."

Hey, maybe a couple more gay kids tortured and tied to fence posts, left to die and they'll be worth counting, huh? God, they can only dream of how glorious that day will be...
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#591Almalieque, Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 4:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nope. That wasn't the intent. I was simply putting up a video to show how irrelevant it is that you found a guy on the internet agreeing with you.
#592 Oct 22 2012 at 4:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
especially if you're comparing fruits.


Unintentional funny is funny

I can't believe that you are equating someone with red hair to someone who is homosexual. Because that shows that you don't believe homosexuality is a choice, but a way you are born.

Good on ya, Alma!

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Edited, Oct 22nd 2012 3:28pm by stupidmonkey

Edited, Oct 22nd 2012 3:29pm by stupidmonkey
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#593 Oct 22 2012 at 4:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Alma wrote:
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#594Almalieque, Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 4:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I can't believe that you are equating someone who has black skin to someone who is homosexual.
#595 Oct 22 2012 at 4:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
I was referring to natural red heads of course. Even if they dye their hair, they are still red heads.


I was not in any denigrating the plight of the ginger, merely pointing out that, you know, a homosexual can marry someone of the opposite sex and still be a homosexual. Just like if someone who is black marries someone who is white is still black. See, we agree. None of these people has any control over that particular trait that we are focusing on, was my point. And the fact that you had become a little more enlightened by pointing this out in your previous post, that was also part of my point.

You really aren't very good at coherent arguments or reading comprehension, are you?
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#596 Oct 22 2012 at 4:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Requiring slavery as a pre-condition is taking an extremely narrow view of civil rights in the United States. Apparently you've decided that "civil rights" belongs strictly to African Americans. Completely erroneous but there's sense in debating it if that's your stance.
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#597 Oct 22 2012 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
Actually, he was pointing out the fact that the struggle that homosexuals suffer from are no different than every other group have suffered from. Fat people, skinny people, nerds, geeks, goths, whores, short people, handicap, red heads, immigrants, foreigners. etc. have all been beaten up, attacked and physically and emotionally harmed for simply those traits described.

And we have laws protecting them. Not every state protects employees from termination due to sexual orientation. There is also a difference between individual acts of hate and institutionalized persecution. Some putz on the street calling you a ****** and a state prohibiting you from adopting a child due to your sexual orientation are worlds apart.
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Same applies to this scenario. If you are going to compare civil struggles, you factor out the things that are common in all civil right movement, such as hate, fear, mistreatment and discrimination.

How convenient for an argument that the two movements are entirely incomparable if you disregard everything similar about them.
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I'm not going to waste time articulating something that you obviously understand.

So you'll just waste time linking a youtube video about it instead?
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Nope. That wasn't the intent. I was simply putting up a video to show how irrelevant it is that you found a guy on the internet agreeing with you.

Are you doing that thing where you merge everyone who disagrees with you into one borg collective devoid of individuality?
#598 Oct 22 2012 at 5:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Requiring slavery as a pre-condition is taking an extremely narrow view of civil rights in the United States.
I'm part Irish and demand reparations!
#599Almalieque, Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 5:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Smiley: grinYou must have selective reading.
#600Almalieque, Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 6:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post)
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Spoonless wrote:
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Requiring slavery as a pre-condition is taking an extremely narrow view of civil rights in the United States.
I'm part Irish and demand reparations!


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