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He didn't have the advantages of being Latino.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
We've already done that one, haven't we?
Its funny because the majority of those 47% are likely GOP supporters. So his comments seem wonky. The majority of those who don't pay these net taxes reside in Red Block states, and the majority of them all are Old age folks who are already unsatisfied with Romney/Ryan plan to make medications vouchers.
Outside of his elite 50K a plate dinner party, I just do not see how these comments could be valuable to the campaign. Then again to be fair he didn't know he was being taped, and certainly couldn't have expected the tape to be released during the revamp period of his campaign.
In either regard, as the saying goes its best to not open your mouth and have people think you are stupid, than to open it and prove it.
Considering he came out within hours of the tape confirming that is how he felt was even stupider, then less than a week later recant on the underlying context of the comments, unbelievable.
Edited, Sep 20th 2012 11:05am by rdmcandie
Outside of his elite 50K a plate dinner party, I just do not see how these comments could be valuable to the campaign. Then again to be fair he didn't know he was being taped, and certainly couldn't have expected the tape to be released during the revamp period of his campaign.
In either regard, as the saying goes its best to not open your mouth and have people think you are stupid, than to open it and prove it.
Considering he came out within hours of the tape confirming that is how he felt was even stupider, then less than a week later recant on the underlying context of the comments, unbelievable.
Edited, Sep 20th 2012 11:05am by rdmcandie
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Elinda wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
To be fair, he was speaking about securing votes.
He directly said that those 47% were too self-entitled, self-declared victims and too lazy and uninterested in personal responsibility to try and get their votes.
He can try and spin that now into "But I really do care about you" but that's his uphill road to travel.
Iir he said he was writing off the 47%. I took that to mean he was writing them off as perspective voters in the election versus writing them off as american citizens. But then yeah, he did go on to say stupid and stupider stuff.
He seemed to genuinely think, or at least genuinely think he could convince his audience, that the 47% that payed no net taxes were the same 47% that said they were voting for Obama in a poll. That seems rather self defeating whether trying to secure votes or campaign contributions.
Agreed (both of you). Just making a semantic point in response to rdm's wording.
Its funny because the majority of those 47% are likely GOP supporters.
probably not. Living in Mississippi doesn't make you a GOP voter by default.
probably not. Living in Mississippi doesn't make you a GOP voter by default.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Its funny because the majority of those 47% are likely GOP supporters.
probably not. Living in Mississippi doesn't make you a GOP voter by default.
probably not. Living in Mississippi doesn't make you a GOP voter by default.
It does make your vote practically worthless if you aren't one.
Smasharoo wrote:
Its funny because the majority of those 47% are likely GOP supporters.
probably not. Living in Mississippi doesn't make you a GOP voter by default.
probably not. Living in Mississippi doesn't make you a GOP voter by default.
No you are right it does not make you a GOP voter by default, which is why I said likely GOP supporters.
http://taxfoundation.org:81/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/UserFiles/Image/Fiscal%20Facts/20100524-229-nonpayers-map-.jpg
Contrast those states to these numbers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008#Result
The probability that the majority of these 47% are GOP supporters is pretty damn high, as a statistics guy I think you should be able to figure out why.
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t does make your vote practically worthless if you aren't one.
It does? I'd think the opposite. My vote for Obama in the 'Chussetts is virtually worthless. He's going to win by 1,000,000 votes. My vote for Romney has more utilitarian value. It offsets an Obama vote. If more Romney voters are motivated it might change something. If more Obama voters are motivated he wins by 2,000,000 votes.
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43% Voted for Obama and 45% didn't pay taxes in Mississippi. I smell a correlation...
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
The probability that the majority of these 47% are GOP supporters is pretty damn high, as a statistics guy I think you should be able to figure out why.
No, it isn't. You're buying spin. The numbers exist already. The majority are Obama voters. Why do you think you're reading a presentation of such oddly compiled data. It's to argue a case. A case that happens to be demonstrably not true. It's easy to find how low income voters broke. They broke for Obama. Some of the very slight outlying cases of families who don't pay fed income tax for other reasons, military or whatever wouldn't be enough to make up the difference if they all voted GOP. They don't.
Don't be a sucker because you're being sold something you want to believe. It's just not the case that low income voters break republican, they don't. It'd be ironic, and a better story, but that doesn't make it true.
Sorry.
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But the Elderly voters went for McCain, and the Elderly voters represent about 27% of this 47%. Which McCain won. Same argument other side of the coin. The lowest income earners (who make less than enough to pay net taxes) only represent about 18% of this 47% (based on votes by income bracket) which Obama did win. He didn't single out the poor, he collectively labeled anyone who does not pay taxes as a victim, and dependent on government, firming it up saying they have no desire to help themselves.
The numbers show that the majority of the voters Romney labeled were GOP supporters in 2008, and likely to be GOP supporters in 2012.
As for being a sucker it doesn't matter to me who paid what and who didn't I live in Canada. I am just observing this with an open mind. I suspect realistically if you were to break it down that the numbers would end up at about 50/50 just like the average popular vote does in nearly every election. But I would bet that the majority of them are Republican supporters, based on demographics, and voting history.
Edited, Sep 20th 2012 11:50am by rdmcandie
The numbers show that the majority of the voters Romney labeled were GOP supporters in 2008, and likely to be GOP supporters in 2012.
As for being a sucker it doesn't matter to me who paid what and who didn't I live in Canada. I am just observing this with an open mind. I suspect realistically if you were to break it down that the numbers would end up at about 50/50 just like the average popular vote does in nearly every election. But I would bet that the majority of them are Republican supporters, based on demographics, and voting history.
Edited, Sep 20th 2012 11:50am by rdmcandie
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Vote share by income distribution (taken from CNN exit polls)
I put that together from another thread back when and am not trying to prove anything with it now other than it seemed topical. Variations in the 2010 numbers were, as I recall, due to CNN changing its classifications.
2004 2006 2008 2010
Income between... R-D R-D R-D R-D
Under $15k 36-63 30-67 25-73 -----
$15-$30,000 42-57 36-61 37-60 41-56 (under $30k)
$30-$50,000 49-50 43-56 43-55 46-51
$50-$75,000 56-43 48-50 49-48 52-46
$75-$100,000 55-45 47-52 48-51 56-42
$100-$150,000 57-42 51-47 51-48 56-42 ($100-$200k)
$150-$200,000 58-42 51-47 50-48 -----
Over $200,000 63-35 53-45 46-52 62-35
I put that together from another thread back when and am not trying to prove anything with it now other than it seemed topical. Variations in the 2010 numbers were, as I recall, due to CNN changing its classifications.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
The numbers show that the majority of the voters Romney labeled were GOP supporters in 2008
No, they really don't. I'm willing to look at some numbers, though. Unleash them.
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Smasharoo wrote:
The numbers show that the majority of the voters Romney labeled were GOP supporters in 2008
No, they really don't. I'm willing to look at some numbers, though. Unleash them.
Numbers.
The lower the income, the higher the margin for Obama in 2008, regardless of age. Interestingly, there is no such clear division between voters aged 50 and above.
rdmcandie, you're wrong. Give it up.
As far as the numbers go, the most disturbing thing for me is that regardless of age or income, white people still vote predominately republican, while other races favor democrats. Whether that's because other races still perceive themselves as some huge minority influence that is being "kept down by the man" or because too many white folk are so indoctrinated and/or retarded as to believe the whole trickle-down theory really helps them, the situation is just bizarre enough to reinforce my negative outlook on the American public in general.
hmm it was 2010 when the Elderly flocked to the GOP, not 2008 my bad. I retract my postings because apparently I forgot how to read dates on the articles I was viewing.
(granted 51% in 2008 is still a Majority =D)
Edited, Sep 20th 2012 12:10pm by rdmcandie
(granted 51% in 2008 is still a Majority =D)
Edited, Sep 20th 2012 12:10pm by rdmcandie
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BrownDuck wrote:
As far as the numbers go, the most disturbing thing for me is that regardless of age or income, white people still vote predominately republican, while other races favor democrats. Whether that's because other races still perceive themselves as some huge minority influence that is being "kept down by the man" or because too many white folk are so indoctrinated and/or retarded as to believe the whole trickle-down theory really helps them, the situation is just bizarre enough to reinforce my negative outlook on the American public in general.
Immigration debate, "anchor baby" attacks, Southern Strategy, Reagan's Cadillac welfare queens, Scary black president is going to end work requirements for welfare, "citizenship papers please" legislation, revival of poll taxes under the guise of "preventing (non-existent) voter fraud", etc.
What's confusing?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Not sure if you forgot a comma, or gay people.
George Carlin wrote:
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I'm more curious about the Jewish vote. For all of the GOP cries about Obama abandoning Israel, he's still polling nearly 3:1 over Romney in that demographic. I know Netenyahu isn't terribly popular even in Israel so expecting American Jewish voters to flock under than banner is a bit silly but Jewish voters are a traditional Democratic voting bloc regardless. A lot more socially progressive Jews than conservative orthodox ones? I hate to assume it's only religion (for instance, Catholic Democrats are often more labor-oriented than Rome-oriented for completely non-religious reasons).
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Wow, the Asian vote really swung fast; from 31/55 to 63/35 (D/R) over just 16 years. That's pretty drastic.
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I'm more curious about the Jewish vote. For all of the GOP cries about Obama abandoning Israel, he's still polling nearly 3:1 over Romney in that demographic. I know Netenyahu isn't terribly popular even in Israel so expecting American Jewish voters to flock under than banner is a bit silly but Jewish voters are a traditional Democratic voting bloc regardless. A lot more socially progressive Jews than conservative orthodox ones? I hate to assume it's only religion (for instance, Catholic Democrats are often more labor-oriented than Rome-oriented for completely non-religious reasons).
I don't spend much time in or know many people from Florida, but most Northeast Jews I know are far less concerned with Israel than most evangelical Christians I know. I imagine the rhetoric is aimed at both places.
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BrownDuck wrote:
As far as the numbers go, the most disturbing thing for me is that regardless of age or income, white people still vote predominately republican, while other races favor democrats. Whether that's because other races still perceive themselves as some huge minority influence that is being "kept down by the man" or because too many white folk are so indoctrinated and/or retarded as to believe the whole trickle-down theory really helps them, the situation is just bizarre enough to reinforce my negative outlook on the American public in general.
Republicans believe either (A) We've fixed all the institutional racism problems and everyone actually has an equal opportunity, therefore minorities only become poor due to laziness; or (B) It doesn't matter if opportunities for minorities are unequal. All that matters is letting the free market reign in order to create the most efficient economy, which will, in the long run, end up helping the poor minorities (become ever-so-slightly less poor).
It's not terribly bizarre, it's been that way for a while.
trickybeck wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
As far as the numbers go, the most disturbing thing for me is that regardless of age or income, white people still vote predominately republican, while other races favor democrats. Whether that's because other races still perceive themselves as some huge minority influence that is being "kept down by the man" or because too many white folk are so indoctrinated and/or retarded as to believe the whole trickle-down theory really helps them, the situation is just bizarre enough to reinforce my negative outlook on the American public in general.
Republicans believe either (A) We've fixed all the institutional racism problems and everyone actually has an equal opportunity, therefore minorities only become poor due to laziness; or (B) It doesn't matter if opportunities for minorities are unequal. All that matters is letting the free market reign in order to create the most efficient economy, which will, in the long run, end up helping the poor minorities (become ever-so-slightly less poor).
It's not terribly bizarre, it's been that way for a while.
Republican platforms quite obviously favor the white middle class over minorities or lower classes. It's not really subtle, so I don't see why it would be surprising that minority and lower-income groups would gravitate towards the Democratic platform. Race was a leading factor in the creation of the New Right, so I don't see why that would have changed, especially not with the Tea Party Movement.
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm more curious about the Jewish vote. For all of the GOP cries about Obama abandoning Israel, he's still polling nearly 3:1 over Romney in that demographic. I know Netenyahu isn't terribly popular even in Israel so expecting American Jewish voters to flock under than banner is a bit silly but Jewish voters are a traditional Democratic voting bloc regardless. A lot more socially progressive Jews than conservative orthodox ones? I hate to assume it's only religion (for instance, Catholic Democrats are often more labor-oriented than Rome-oriented for completely non-religious reasons).
It's a bit complicated but yeah, you're on the right track. American Jews in general are progressive with special sympathy for causes around social justice. They're also pro-education and largely pro-labor, again in general. They tend not to go in for social conservatism being imposed on others in any big way, although many, possibly most, would be considered fairly conservative in their own behavior.
Someday I'll write a paper about the core differences between groups that do proselytize and those that don't, mainly because I'm curious about what I'd end up saying.
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