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Found this on Google+ earlier. I don't watch the show, so I don't know much about it, but I find it interesting that people are getting so worked up about it. I get that we're supposed to respect our Presidents (past and present), but it's just a decapitated head. If it was of a celebrity, even one well liked, I don't think people would get as upset. It was the first season of the show, their budget was probably really low. I don't think it's that far of a stretch to believe them when they say they were just using what resources they had.
I watched that video and to me, it didn't look like W.'s head.
The picture does more so. Meh. I think the director was an *** to mention it, and for the record I do think it's disrespectful.
Why is it disrespectful though? I'd agree that the director shouldn't even have mentioned it, and it's likely no one would have even noticed it. Would you find it disrespectful if it was some other sort of famous person?
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Would you find it disrespectful if it was some other sort of famous person?
If it was Obama the shouts of racism would be deafening.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Why is it disrespectful though? I'd agree that the director shouldn't even have mentioned it, and it's likely no one would have even noticed it. Would you find it disrespectful if it was some other sort of famous person?
Given that it was at the far edge of a scene, facing away from camera, with a non-GW-Bush wig on, that no one would ever have even noticed, I'd say it being a case of limited resources or even just a little on-set joke are credible, and that this is a non-issue.
David Benioff and D.B. Weiss wrote:
We use a lot of prosthetic body parts on the show: heads, arms, etc. We can’t afford to have these all made from scratch, especially in scenes where we need a lot of them, so we rent them in bulk. After the scene was already shot, someone pointed out that one of the heads looked like George W. Bush.
Seems completely fine to me. Non-issue.
Edited, Jun 14th 2012 2:52pm by Eske
someproteinguy wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Would you find it disrespectful if it was some other sort of famous person?
If it was Obama the shouts of racism would be deafening.
That's probably true. If that were the case, I'd like to think I'd be as on the fence about it as I am now, but I'm not positive.
I watched that scene and didn't notice GW there, so while there is a resemblance it's unnoticable if you're not actually looking for it.
Whether it was intentional or not, gees, hard to say. Set designers have to model the faces off of something and GW's face was very visible for awhile. I'd say it was concievable that it was made in the likes of George but unintentionally so.
Looking at the still photo, I think the head on the wall next to GW Bush resembles GHW Bush.
Edited, Jun 14th 2012 9:05pm by Elinda
Whether it was intentional or not, gees, hard to say. Set designers have to model the faces off of something and GW's face was very visible for awhile. I'd say it was concievable that it was made in the likes of George but unintentionally so.
Looking at the still photo, I think the head on the wall next to GW Bush resembles GHW Bush.
Edited, Jun 14th 2012 9:05pm by Elinda
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Anybody read my post?
someproteinguy wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Would you find it disrespectful if it was some other sort of famous person?
If it was Obama the shouts of racism would be deafening.
As I noted in the Game of Thrones thread in the TV forums, they also killed off the first (black) king of Qarth, the only recurring black character on the show (we haven't seen Sallador Saan since early season 2).
No shouts of racism for that one. /shrug
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Would you find it disrespectful if it was some other sort of famous person?
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Would you find it disrespectful if it was some other sort of famous person?
Where is the proper place to put the fake decapitated head of still-living president if not an epic epic-fantasy HBO story.
I wonder if George is pissed or amused?
Yesterday someone directed me to a google search for Allakhazam. It made me wonder just how fricken big Allakhazam's head must be.
Edit: lol
Edited, Jun 14th 2012 9:19pm by Elinda
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
I think I'd be inclined to join the outcry if W was still in office. I'd laugh about it, same when I snickered when that reporter threw his shoe at W and he ducked, perfectly, but I'd also be a little miffed since it's mocking the possible death of a sitting president.
Since I know he's safe in his mansion in Texas (he sold the ranch), I'm more inclined to let the slight slide as a funny coincidence.
Since I know he's safe in his mansion in Texas (he sold the ranch), I'm more inclined to let the slight slide as a funny coincidence.
Elinda wrote:
Yesterday someone directed me to a google search for Allakhazam. It made me wonder just how fricken big Allakhazam's head must be.
Okay, that was pretty funny.
Elinda wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Would you find it disrespectful if it was some other sort of famous person?
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
Elinda wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Would you find it disrespectful if it was some other sort of famous person?
Because of the very logical explanation they provided, quoted above in my post that nobody read?
The statement they made after the one made politicizing it in the first place?
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Eske Esquire wrote:
Because of the very logical explanation they provided, quoted above in my post that nobody read?
What makes you think nobody read it? You said pretty much the same thing Ash did... Plus that's pretty much what I think too.
lolgaxe wrote:
The statement they made after the one made politicizing it in the first place?
Which was what?
pigtails wrote:
You said pretty much the same thing Ash did... Plus that's pretty much what I think too.
Ash was guessing, I quoted the actual explanation. Call it an official confirmation of Ash's guess, which is why I'm perplexed that there's still any speculation going on either way.
Edited, Jun 14th 2012 3:46pm by Eske
Atomicflea wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Why is it disrespectful though? I'd agree that the director shouldn't even have mentioned it, and it's likely no one would have even noticed it. Would you find it disrespectful if it was some other sort of famous person?
I take it you don't watch Futurama?
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Because people lie? There is the possibility that the director and whoever could just have been saying that it wasn't a political statement, when it was. I think it's more likely that they're telling the truth, but I also recognize that they could be lying about it too.
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Because people lie? There is the possibility that the director and whoever could just have been saying that it wasn't a political statement, when it was. I think it's more likely that they're telling the truth, but I also recognize that they could be lying about it too.
*shrug*
A simple and perfectly reasonable explanation was provided. I'm inclined to take it at face value and be done with it. Occam's Razor, folks.
Anyone really think that it was put there as a political statement, then hidden so that nobody could actually discern the face, then uncovered again when they mentioned it themselves in the DVD commentary by saying "It’s not a choice, it’s not a political statement. We just had to use whatever heads we had lying around.â€, by which they'd be implying that it was political by saying exactly the opposite. Any takers?
Edited, Jun 14th 2012 4:54pm by Eske
Eske Esquire wrote:
David Benioff and D.B. Weiss wrote:
We use a lot of prosthetic body parts on the show: heads, arms, etc. We can’t afford to have these all made from scratch, especially in scenes where we need a lot of them, so we rent them in bulk. After the scene was already shot, someone pointed out that one of the heads looked like George W. Bush.
Seems completely fine to me. Non-issue.
2 posts later...
Eske Esquire wrote:
Anybody read my post?
A few more posts later...
Eske Esquire wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Elinda wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Would you find it disrespectful if it was some other sort of famous person?
Because of the very logical explanation they provided, quoted above in my post that nobody read?
And a few more posts after that...
Eske Esquire wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
The statement they made after the one made politicizing it in the first place?
Which was what?
pigtails wrote:
You said pretty much the same thing Ash did... Plus that's pretty much what I think too.
Ash was guessing, I quoted the actual explanation. Call it an official confirmation of Ash's guess, which is why I'm perplexed that there's still any speculation going on either way.
To be followed shortly after by...
Eske Esquire wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Because people lie? There is the possibility that the director and whoever could just have been saying that it wasn't a political statement, when it was. I think it's more likely that they're telling the truth, but I also recognize that they could be lying about it too.
*shrug*
A simple and perfectly reasonable explanation was provided. I'm inclined to take it at face value and be done with it. Occam's Razor, folks.
Anyone really think that it was put there as a political statement, then hidden so that nobody could actually discern the face, then uncovered again when they mentioned it themselves in the DVD commentary by saying "It’s not a choice, it’s not a political statement. We just had to use whatever heads we had lying around.â€, by which they'd be implying that it was political by saying exactly the opposite. Any takers?
It strikes me as odd (and a bit whiny) that you're so seriously invested in arguing your side of this topic before it even leaves page1.
Edit: never mind.
Edited, Jun 14th 2012 10:44pm by Eske
Edited, Jun 14th 2012 10:44pm by Eske
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