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#1 Jun 05 2012 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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NC House Bill 819 wrote:
The Division of Coastal Management shall be the only State agency authorized to develop rates of sea-level rise and shall do so only at the request of the Commission. These rates shall only be determined using historical data, and these data shall be limited to the time period following the year 1900. Rates of sea-level rise may be extrapolated linearly to estimate future rates of rise but shall not include scenarios of accelerated rates of sea-level rise


Smiley: eek What are they thinking!?

Apparently Cobert jumped on this bit-o-crazy on last nights show... LINK




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#2 Jun 05 2012 at 1:47 PM Rating: Default
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They let people rebuild in areas that actually flood regularly despite the certainty of another flood, so I'm not sure why you'd be surprised they'd allow people to build in areas where only imaginary potential flooding might occur.
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#3 Jun 05 2012 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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Yes, global warming isn't a real thing. Sigh, conservatives.

Edited, Jun 5th 2012 3:53pm by Nilatai
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#4 Jun 05 2012 at 1:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
They let people rebuild in areas that actually flood regularly despite the certainty of another flood, so I'm not sure why you'd be surprised they'd allow people to build in areas where only imaginary potential flooding might occur.

You honestly think that's the issue here?
#5 Jun 05 2012 at 1:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nilatai wrote:
gbaji wrote:
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Yes, global warming isn't a real thing. Sigh, conservatives.
Naw'lins wasn't exactly the victim of global warming.
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#6 Jun 05 2012 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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I don't understand the problem (and I'm at work, so I can't watch the Colbert).

You're incredulous because North Carolina wants to limit the way in which one of their agencies can calculate future predicted sea levels? Or that they want to limit it to linear regression dating back only over a century and change?
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#7 Jun 05 2012 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
gbaji wrote:
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Yes, global warming isn't a real thing. Sigh, conservatives.
Naw'lins wasn't exactly the victim of global warming.

Eh, debatable actually. Increased severity of tropical storms could be caused by higher than normal sea temperatures, which in turn are caused by higher levels of greenhouse gasses.
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#8 Jun 05 2012 at 2:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nilatai wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
gbaji wrote:
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Yes, global warming isn't a real thing. Sigh, conservatives.
Naw'lins wasn't exactly the victim of global warming.

Eh, debatable actually. Increased severity of tropical storms could be caused by higher than normal sea temperatures, which in turn are caused by higher levels of greenhouse gasses.

This is true. I think it would be more accurate (both in reality and to the topic) to say "It wasn't caused by flooding due to rising sea levels caused by global warming." Global warming might have played an effect, but the article in question is about rising sea levels, not your run-of-the-mill storm-caused flooding in low lying areas.

At least that's how I read it?
#9 Jun 05 2012 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
gbaji wrote:
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Yes, global warming isn't a real thing. Sigh, conservatives.
Naw'lins wasn't exactly the victim of global warming.

Eh, debatable actually. Increased severity of tropical storms could be caused by higher than normal sea temperatures, which in turn are caused by higher levels of greenhouse gasses.

This is true. I think it would be more accurate (both in reality and to the topic) to say "It wasn't caused by flooding due to rising sea levels caused by global warming." Global warming might have played an effect, but the article in question is about rising sea levels, not your run-of-the-mill storm-caused flooding in low lying areas.

At least that's how I read it?

Iuno, I didn't read it. I saw I couldn't watch the Colbert video cuz England and I got all offended and closed the tab. Smiley: glare
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#10 Jun 05 2012 at 2:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't understand the problem (and I'm at work, so I can't watch the Colbert).

You're incredulous because North Carolina wants to limit the way in which one of their agencies can calculate future predicted sea levels? Or that they want to limit it to linear regression dating back only over a century and change?
Only the NC state agency can calculate sea level rise, and that agency can only use a linear formula for extrapolation.

Climate change aside all variables may not lead to a linear rate of sea rise.

National Flood Insurance is a federal program.

Private Insurance companies don't care if all your calculations, mandated by your short-sighted law-makers conclude that an area is not in a flood zone.

It's tells the experts how to do their job - down to what math to use.

What if NY passed a law telling stock-brokers that only the NY State Agency that governs banks could make market predictions and that they'd only make those predictions with this one over-simplified, highly-limiting formula?

Are these the same people wanting government 'out of their lives'?









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#11 Jun 05 2012 at 2:37 PM Rating: Excellent
IIRC, what Colbert was pointing out last night, is that if you include data from earlier years (not sure how far back the first graph he showed went), the incline of the sea level has increased by like, a 45 degree angle or so. The second graph he showed, which only shows from 1900 to now, makes it look more like a 5 or 10 degree angle. So basically what the objection is, is that this particular rule makes global warming look a lot less scary.
#12 Jun 05 2012 at 2:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't have a strong opinion about this aside from pointing out the irony that the stock phrase of the deniers is "We don't have enough historical data to tell" and this law is specifically written to exclude any historical data prior to 1900.
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#13 Jun 05 2012 at 2:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
They let people rebuild in areas that actually flood regularly despite the certainty of another flood, so I'm not sure why you'd be surprised they'd allow people to build in areas where only imaginary potential flooding might occur.


Even believing in global warming I still have to concur with this statement. You can make a lot of money selling ocean front properties to retiring baby boomers who won't give a damn where the sea level is in 30 years.

There's money to be made here folks!

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#14 Jun 05 2012 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
Also, time to sell NC folks some real estate in the Maldives.
#15 Jun 05 2012 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
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I'd quite like to visit there, before it's swallowed by the Indian ocean, that is.
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Nilatai wrote:
I'd quite like to visit there, before it's swallowed by the Indian ocean, that is.


But if you visit afterward, it could be more interesting. Like snorkeling through a giant coral reef.
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#17 Jun 05 2012 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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I'll buy a waterproof camera and take some before and after shots, then!
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#18 Jun 05 2012 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I don't have a strong opinion about this aside from pointing out the irony that the stock phrase of the deniers is "We don't have enough historical data to tell" and this law is specifically written to exclude any historical data prior to 1900.

On a long enough time line, the average change in sea level is zero. Smiley: wink
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Demea wrote:
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I don't have a strong opinion about this aside from pointing out the irony that the stock phrase of the deniers is "We don't have enough historical data to tell" and this law is specifically written to exclude any historical data prior to 1900.

On a long enough time line, the average change in sea level is zero. Smiley: wink


If you go back far enough, I'm sure the average change in sea level is roughly 4267 meters...
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#20 Jun 06 2012 at 7:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you go back far enough, I'm sure you'll find someone pointing out that building a city six feet below sea level next to the ocean is probably a bad idea.
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If you go back far enough, I'm sure you'll find someone pointing out that building a city six feet below sea level next to the ocean is probably a bad idea.
That makes half my country a bad idea. Smiley: frown
(It's a sea and not the ocean, but it's a whole lot of water either way)
#22 Jun 06 2012 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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And how many major hurricanes have hit you directly?
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#23 Jun 06 2012 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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If you go back far enough, I'm sure you'll find someone pointing out that building a city six feet below sea level next to the ocean is probably a bad idea.
That makes half my country a bad idea. Smiley: frown
(It's a sea and not the ocean, but it's a whole lot of water either way)

I'm not sure that's what makes half of your country a bad idea.
#24 Jun 06 2012 at 10:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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We don't do that kind of thing down here.

Our last near miss was 1995 when there was a fear of ***** breaking from the heightened water level of the Maas and Waal rivers at the place where they are the closest together. Had the ***** broken at that time many homes would've been submerged in about 15 feet of water.
The last real disaster we've had was the North Sea flood of 1953.

There's a good reason people call the Dutch after major disasters involving water.
#25 Jun 06 2012 at 11:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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There's a good reason people call the Dutch after major disasters involving water.

And even better reasons to avoid them most other times.
#26 Jun 06 2012 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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There's a good reason people call the Dutch after major disasters involving water.

And even better reasons to avoid them most other times.

They make good Potato chips. I got fat once eating Old Dutch chips. Fortunately, I was only ten and grew right out of it.

I can't get Old Dutch out here. Smiley: frown
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