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#77 Apr 22 2012 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
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I find it strange that we live in the same country yet somehow your America is perceived to be completely different than mine.


And the fact that events like the one in the OP match my perception while countering yours should be a great clue as to which of our perceptions better matches the actual reality of the world we live in.


That's completely fallacious.
#78 Apr 22 2012 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Eske Esquire wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
I find it strange that we live in the same country yet somehow your America is perceived to be completely different than mine.


And the fact that events like the one in the OP match my perception while countering yours should be a great clue as to which of our perceptions better matches the actual reality of the world we live in.


That's completely fallacious.


No. It's only somewhat fallacious. Smiley: tongue

You've got several people in this thread who personally know people in the education industry who are saying one thing (that rank and file teachers are instructed not to physically restrain unruly students), and a case where a school called police rather than deal with an unruly student who would have required physical restraint. While that's not proof of anything, it is, as I said earlier "a great clue".
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#79 Apr 22 2012 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
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#80 Apr 22 2012 at 3:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
I find it strange that we live in the same country yet somehow your America is perceived to be completely different than mine.


And the fact that events like the one in the OP match my perception while countering yours should be a great clue as to which of our perceptions better matches the actual reality of the world we live in.


That's completely fallacious.


No. It's only somewhat fallacious. Smiley: tongue

You've got several people in this thread who personally know people in the education industry who are saying one thing (that rank and file teachers are instructed not to physically restrain unruly students), and a case where a school called police rather than deal with an unruly student who would have required physical restraint. While that's not proof of anything, it is, as I said earlier "a great clue".


Special ed teachers take a class to learn these restraining holds. Not all teachers have access to these classes, and IIRC my mother was one of three teachers in an entire school who had the training and was allowed to try and restrain violent children. If teachers are not certified and current on these classes, most schools will not allow anyone but the police to interfere if it gets as bad as this case was. It's pretty simple to understand why this is, given to happy lawsuit US. Not all teachers can take these courses as they are costly and (surprise surprise) schools don't have enough in their budget to pay for all teachers to have these courses.
#81 Apr 23 2012 at 6:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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DSD wrote:
It's pretty simple to understand why this is,
You would think so.
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#82 Apr 23 2012 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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My soon-to-be-ex-wife is a (currently unemployed) teacher. In her last teaching job, she was teaching 1st grade and her kids loved to run up and give her hugs. She said she basically had to stand there and let them hug her and could not reciprocate at all. Luckily, she never had to restrain an unruly child or separate two children who were fighting. the worst she had was a kid who threw something at her, but all she did to him was send him to the principal's office and call his parents in for a discussion.
#83 Apr 23 2012 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
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DSD wrote:
gbaji wrote:
You've got several people in this thread who personally know people in the education industry who are saying one thing (that rank and file teachers are instructed not to physically restrain unruly students), and a case where a school called police rather than deal with an unruly student who would have required physical restraint. While that's not proof of anything, it is, as I said earlier "a great clue".


Special ed teachers take a class to learn these restraining holds. Not all teachers have access to these classes, and IIRC my mother was one of three teachers in an entire school who had the training and was allowed to try and restrain violent children. If teachers are not certified and current on these classes, most schools will not allow anyone but the police to interfere if it gets as bad as this case was. It's pretty simple to understand why this is, given to happy lawsuit US. Not all teachers can take these courses as they are costly and (surprise surprise) schools don't have enough in their budget to pay for all teachers to have these courses.


Exactly. And while you're likely to have those resources at the high school level, it's not hard to believe that many grade schools may not have anyone who's trained/qualified to do that. It depends on how the state system is set up, and even how the districts are set up, but unless they have some kind of early immersion program in place, it's not uncommon for special needs and/or critical skills kids to be in separate grade schools. And in those cases, the regular grade schools will not have the means to deal with the rare unruly kid except to call the police (or take action and risk lawsuit).


I just think that many people have no clue what sorts of constraints are placed on teachers these days.
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#84 Apr 23 2012 at 7:06 PM Rating: Good
Teachers claim to not be able to touch kids so they can call the cops, with the hopes that the officer bugs out and maces the little basterds.
#85 Apr 24 2012 at 7:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Cause a lot less potential permanent damage if they just tase them.
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#86 Apr 24 2012 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:

I just think that many people have no clue what sorts of constraints are placed on teachers these days.

Do enlighten us.....
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#87 Apr 24 2012 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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Well, I believe Duct tape is out.................I miss the good old days
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