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For me, it's not about fetuses (feti?) having a right to live, it's about abortion leading to a lack of personal responsibility and there being other options other than abortion. As someone earlier in the thread said, there are plenty of families that would love to adopt a child. There are even lots of families that would be willing to pay for medical costs for an expectant mother in the event they they can adopt the child (a la the movie Juno).

On top of this, abortion is a cop out to the personal responsibilty of having sex when you don't want to have children. Yes, there are contraceptives. And yes, everybody who takes them has information available that lets them know the contraception isn't 100% effective.

So yes, there are conservative viewpoints that don't depend on the "life begins at conception argument".

I'm pro-choice but I believe abortion should be a last resort, and the best means of preventing abortions is to prevent pregnancies in the first place. Regardless of my personal belief, however, I also think it needs to remain legal, safe, and effective, and decisions regarding any pregnancy, planned or unplanned, need to be undertaken with grave consideration from all parties involved.

I also firmly believe that contraceptives don't prevent babies so much as they prevent single mothers.

Also, we need a male version of the BC pill, ASAP. And not only should all insurance plans be required to cover it (just like the ruling on women's pills, although those are also used to treat female plumbing problems in about 20% of cases - did you know virgins are often prescribed the pills?), I suspect that they'll do so voluntarily, for the same reason most plans automatically included BC pills under copays already. Why? Pills are far, far cheaper than childbirth and children to any insurance company.

Edited, Apr 10th 2012 12:36pm by catwho

So basically, don't be a 'ho if you don't wanna have a baby. Gotcha.


This board makes me feel better about my "Baby has a right to life but you can make strong arguments that it's not really a baby until late second/early third trimester so no use worrying about it til then" stance sometimes.

***** that. Electro-balls lasts 10 years. And it doesn't ***** with your hormones, iirc.


Edited, Apr 10th 2012 10:34am by Poldaran

We can turn it into a DADT or gay marriage thread instead, if you prefer.

Or an abortion rights for gay married couples in the military thread.

Edited, Apr 10th 2012 12:41pm by Spoonless

But, we have to. It's our duty.

I agree with a lot of what you said in this post. I also think there are better options to abortion. I also think there are a couple of other cases where abortion should be considered, such as when the mother's life would be put in jeopardy by carrying the baby to full term.

And Joph, you can call it whatever makes you feel better.

And you can say my criticism is just me trying to "feel better" if that helps

I think he summed things up quite nicely.

Your position on abortion is illogical, at best.

But if your concern isn't the right of the unborn baby not to be aborted, then I don't understand your problem. If the fetus doesn't have a right to live, then what business does anyone have trying to stop it from happening?

If there are so many families out there that want to adopt children, why are there so many kids in the foster care system? People don't want to adopt children, they want to adopt healthy, white newborns. There is a difference.

It's perfectly understandable for someone to have the opinion that women should give up their unwanted babies for adoption instead of aborting them. However, it's also extremely naive. There is absolutely no guarantee that that baby is going to get adopted. The likelihood of the child getting adopted goes down as he or she gets older, and goes down even more if the child isn't white.

Down with ******.

Well and it's definitely not something I agree with, but unfortunately that is the harsh reality of this country. A larger proportion of the parents who want to adopt are white, and most of them want children that will look like them. While I can't fault them for that, I don't think it's right to not adopt a child because they don't look the way you want them to look.